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Sick of being flabby

Lee

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Yea I know this is a very common thing on here, but it's driving me crazy. I'm seeing awesome strength gains and moderate size gains, but I'm just sick of having all this excess fat. It makes me feel like I'm not accomplishing anything cause when I flex I can't see the true shape of my muscles cuz of the fat there. I've never seen my abs in my entire life, and have always had fat on my chest, and my love handles are outta control. Right now I'm pretty desperate to get in shape cause I'm moving to Seattle on June 27th. 27 days from now, I wanna lose as much fat as I can, but I wanna be able to keep my current muscle or even add some. Heres what I was thinking of doing, I'm not sure it'll work but thats why I'm asking you guys.

For breakfast, eat a few eggs and some coffee.
lunch, have a celltech shake, some form of meat like steak or pork.
post workout, have another celltech and some more meat.
dinner have some more meat and a good vegetable like brocolli.

if i get hungry between meals, ill snack on fruit, like bannas or apples.

no set amount of calories, but ill be shooting for arond 2000 a day.
 
I say go for it. In one month you can achieve very decent fat loss if you stick to your guns.

There's no doubt you'll lose fat eating like that. I don't have a problem with the four meals a day. Plenty of people think you need more, and I agree that more is better, but four is the minimum for me anyway.

If you're going to be doing it for 27 days only, you really want everything to be as effective and efficient as possible - bang for buck. In long term fat loss I would say that you should try to maintain as much strength as possible, keep lifting heavy etc... However, here I'd be advising you to change the way you train. Go to T-Mag and have a look at any of the Meltdown programs (they aren't for everybody) or Fat to Fire.
 
IronLion said:
You will lose fat and muscle on that diet.

He's right. Up the calories to at the very minimum, 10-12x bodyweight. You want your bodyfat % to go down, rather than stay the same and just lose weight.
 
ride a bike, a moutian bike, for 30-40 minutes, 3-4-5 times a week. Thats how I rip up in a month, protien up, carbs down, not too much though
 
JollyRogers said:
ride a bike, a moutian bike, for 30-40 minutes, 3-4-5 times a week. Thats how I rip up in a month, protien up, carbs down, not too much though

I agree. Cutting back on diet has always basically taken me from 200 lbs. down to 180 lbs. but then I still seem just as fat but with less muscle.

Cardio combined with decent diet should work wonders.
 
Whatever happened to shooting for 250??? If you really want to diet though, I agree withthe guys, with the diet you outlines you'd lose weight (fat and muscle) and you'd just be a lighter, smaller version of yourself.....less on the scale, weaker, and the same body composition.

If thats you in your avatar, I think you're crazy for calling yourself flabby. You look pretty lean to me. You're just a kid, take advantage of your body. It is a natural steroid factory. Eat, eat, and eat some more. Eat clean, wholesome foods, but eat and train like a horse. Theres no other time in your life you'll be able to gain THIS MUCH lean mass and strength naturally, without drugs, than between the ages of 14-20....you're smack in the middle.....I suggest you grow and get strong as balls. When I was 13 I weighed 175lbs, when I was 20 I was 265, that was all natural, never touched a drug til I was 21 yrs old. I was fairly lean too, and you've got about 5 inches on me.....I say shoot for the 300lb range and fill your frame out.
 
300 pounds? thats insane, i never wanna get gigantic, that just scares people off. i just wanna be fairly big and look good. i guess this is just my sexual frustration talking, cuz im a 17 year old virgin and it really sucks when im chillin with my friends and theyre all fuckin these hella hot chics, it just gets to me. im gonna think about this for a while and decide if i wanna bulk or cut.
 
well the thing is i already think my muscles are too small for my size, being 6'5" 225, its hard to look like real muscular. i decided ill continue bulking and just start eating smarter.
 
at 6'5'' you would hardly be "gigantic" at 300 lbs...you would not even be that big...think about your reasons for doing any of this, listen to the ones that come from you not your environment and if there are no internal reasons then quit worrying about it and just keep in shape...you don't even need weights to look good to most women
 
Argh, that is a horrible diet.

That's 4meals and whenever you get hungry you eat fructose. Fructose isn't the best thing for cutting, and there is way too little protein in that diet.

Shoot for 6-8meals a day. Drop the carbs, and go on a CKD. Research CKD if you don't know what it is on the diet board.

Eat protein, eat protein, and eat protein. While bulking I try to eat slightly above my bodyweight in grams of protein, but while cutting I shoot for MORE. Since you won't have carbs in your diet, it is very important to shoot high in protein to help prevent muscle loss.

Also, you aren't listing how much meat you are having, how many grams??? It is very important to know how much protein you get, I would guess to say very little.

Also, drop the shitty cell tech. What do you expect to get from that overpriced garbage, water weight? I wouldn't suggest taking creatine while cutting, but if you have to go with another brand ... and if you decide to do a CKD make sure none of your drinks have carbs in there.

-sk
 
I am going to say a LOT here, because I only wish someone could tell me such things when I was your age. (Anyone who bickers about the length of the post, please, try to get acclamated to reading things longer than a comic book--say, a REAL book!--and shut the hell up :D)

Lee said:
300 pounds? thats insane, i never wanna get gigantic, that just scares people off.

Not all of them Lee. Many, yes, but then again...who gives a shit what scares people off?

What are they afraid of, that I'd eat them or beat them up? That's unlikely, so they're irrational people--a waste of time.

I am in this game for ME, not them.

Until you are going at the iron purely for yourself, you're short-sheeting your bed, brother. Trust me. I know it sounds like psychobabble--the same kind of bullshit you've been fed for years from all directions--but it's not B.S. It's true.

i just wanna be fairly big and look good.

You are doing well. From your avatar, I definitely don't think you are fat. Even if you WERE smooth, your emphasis should be exclusively on building mass, mass, mass.

i guess this is just my sexual frustration talking, cuz im a 17 year old virgin and it really sucks when im chillin with my friends and theyre all fuckin these hella hot chics,

Err...you do know that even "friends" flat-out lie about that kind of shit, do you not?

What kind of friends say such things in front of you when they know it humiliates you, anyway?

And shoot, being a virgin at 17 is nothing, Lee. One of my best friends was a virgin until he was 21. TWENTY-ONE! Today, he is ready to marry.

Did I mention that his bride to be was a Miss Teen South Carolina a few years back?

Yep. No shit. Extremely pretty, very smart girl.

So I think he turned out okay. He finally realized there was no race to just get laid for the sake of bragging rights.

The lesson, glib as it is? Be yourself!

Do that, and one day sooner than you think, you'll wind up coupled with a fine gal, with whom you'll share something more substantial than a newbie orgasm.

Keep anxious about it, and you'll repel most girls like a skunk...especially that silly-shit, gossipy high school bunch, who are all about style and rarely, substance.

Let me tell you something else while I'm at it.

You can be the biggest, most cut motherfucker pretty much anywhere outside the gym, and I seriously doubt you're going to be banging "all of the hot chicks" around you on that basis alone. For every one woman that's turned on by some shredded guy, probably 6-8 others would be either neutral or turned off. (Being totally ripped can be threatening. In a relationship, they might feel pressure to stay in comparable shape, which they'll most likely fail in doing.)

The fact of the matter is, most women don't respond too heavily SOLELY to how you, specifically your body, looks (so long as you are not a circus freak or a tub of lard, though even truly fat guys still get laid).

No: the buck-toothed pencilneck who can talk lots of shit will always take home more tail than some introverted, shy bodybuilder.

And so what? What's so great about that? Sex is wonderful, but that kind of stupid promiscuity just isn't worth it these days. I also don't think most your age are emotionally sophisticated enough to handle everything it entails anyway; then again, I am a romantic, and much as I like the idea of just feeling good, I DO think most sex should be about a little more than blowing a load.

it just gets to me. im gonna think about this for a while and decide if i wanna bulk or cut.

It used to irritate the shit out of me, too. I know where you are coming from.

I was easily the most muscular guy in my high school. I'm not really a shrimp, but that's not saying a whole lot...the school seemed to be anti-lifting. The football players were a joke; at least half of them didn't even lift consistently, and most of those that did looked like they'd never worked out a day in their life.

Only two other guys took the iron seriously at all.

I like to think I'm not ugly to begin with, either. So it frustrated me when I watched as pimpled-up, scrawny little guys with the big mouths garnered so much attention. If they were really slick, it'd be one thing...but these clowns were flapping their fucking arms and squealing, "CHICKEN!" apropos nothing, in some stupid effort to be funny. They were MORONS.

The sheer lunacy of that crap would sometimes make me want to put my fist through the wall. It was just so damn DUMB!

At some point during high school, I simply realized these people weren't worth the thought. I was pissing away valuable time by getting mad at their bullshit. And it hurt me. It made me uneasy.

So once I was comfortable with myself and ignored what those tards were doing, I had immediate positive feedback. It was nice.

The same went for lifting, too. I used to be obsessed with whether or not my arms were bigger than they were the week before. I would pose for probably hours every day at one point, and to this day, I really don't know WHY! I wasn't competing then. I was just totally anal about the whole thing.

When I calmed down a bit, I found I could still be entirely dedicated to getting JACKED, and it was probably easier to do because I wasn't expending so much nervous energy.

I know that is extremely hard to do at 17, 18, hell, ANY age; but once you master it, you'll enjoy lifting AND life much more. The more fun something is, the more apt you are to succeed.

I realize that's not what you were looking for, but it sounded as if you were letting what other people thought, or things which were beyond your immediate control, define your sense of self, which isn't heathly.

The bulk or cut thing is in your court. What do you WANT to do? You are in this for the long term...if I were you, I'd take advantage of those teenage hormones and keep gaining mass. You look lean enough if your immediate goal is just to have a body sufficient for getting laid.

Besides, a girl might ooh or compliment a nice set of abs, but that's over in two seconds, and you just spent 3 months getting them that could've been better used, IMO, by adding inches of thickness all over.
 
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IronLion said:
at 6'5'' you would hardly be "gigantic" at 300 lbs...you would not even be that big...think about your reasons for doing any of this, listen to the ones that come from you not your environment and if there are no internal reasons then quit worrying about it and just keep in shape...you don't even need weights to look good to most women

FUCKING-A!

There you go. Short but sweet.

I might disagree that a 6'5" guy at 300 ain't pretty damn big--Ferrigno wasn't Yatesian thick, but he was still a huge guy--but I absolutely, 100% agree about Lee listening to himself.
 
Ferrigno is 6'3'' in person...just for the record, he is about the same height as me. But at 300 pounds and cut he would be a pretty big guy....but who is gonna complain...Lee think about it, above average women, I mean total package women with brains, looks, and class don't end up with Joe Average Aberecrombie Model....just a thought
 
IronLion said:
Ferrigno is 6'3'' in person...just for the record, he is about the same height as me. But at 300 pounds and cut he would be a pretty big guy....but who is gonna complain...Lee think about it, above average women, I mean total package women with brains, looks, and class don't end up with Joe Average Aberecrombie Model....just a thought

Yea, they end up with some fat guy with money. ;)

-sk
 
if you waqnt to put in the effort then i would suggest eating about 3000cals a day and lift 3-4 times a week. On top of that though you need to sprint 2-3times a weeks. No they don't ave to be marathon session but 4-8 100m sprints will cause your body to start sheding the fat left and right plus sparing a lot of muscle people lose when doing cardio.

Need some carbs to fule your workout. suggest rye bread or oatmeal abou 1.5-2 hours beforea workout, not too much but maybe 100g an some protein. Cut out most fat except unsaturated like fish oil, nut ect....
 
Lee, let me just add one thing. I'm not a whole hell of a lot older than you, but I'm 24, and that is a big difference from 17. I posted what I did before because you seemed determined to add to your frame, and it seemed to me that you had a change of heart not because you wanted it, but because of other influences.


You need to train for you, and you alone. Sure, some goofy 15 yr old girl will take Justin Timberlake over Bill Kazmaier, but who cares?? You need to do what makes YOU feel good in your own skin. Don't worry about getting laid, trust me, I speak from experience, worrying about "getting laid" will lead you to do some pretty dumb things, and this will lead to NOTHING but trouble. Not to be gruff, but until you meet a quality girl, you're better off jacking off to internet porn, so listen to someone who's been there and done that, running up the notches on your bed post is over-rated, plus I will bet the farm that your friends are either flat out lying or exaggerating when they say 99% of the shit they do. WHat a girl worth fucking will find most attractive about you is your dedicationto whatever you want, if it's weighing 350, then thats it, if it's running cross country, then there ya go to.

I am just telling you to do what YOU want because you want it , not because somebody elsetells you this. You'll be happy and a better person for it, then everything else will just magically fall into place......Trust me.
 
guldukat said:
I am going to say a LOT here, because I only wish someone could tell me such things when I was your age. (Anyone who bickers about the length of the post, please, try to get acclamated to reading things longer than a comic book--say, a REAL book!--and shut the hell up :D)



Not all of them Lee. Many, yes, but then again...who gives a shit what scares people off?

What are they afraid of, that I'd eat them or beat them up? That's unlikely, so they're irrational people--a waste of time.

I am in this game for ME, not them.

Until you are going at the iron purely for yourself, you're short-sheeting your bed, brother. Trust me. I know it sounds like psychobabble--the same kind of bullshit you've been fed for years from all directions--but it's not B.S. It's true.



You are doing well. From your avatar, I definitely don't think you are fat. Even if you WERE smooth, your emphasis should be exclusively on building mass, mass, mass.



Err...you do know that even "friends" flat-out lie about that kind of shit, do you not?

What kind of friends say such things in front of you when they know it humiliates you, anyway?

And shoot, being a virgin at 17 is nothing, Lee. One of my best friends was a virgin until he was 21. TWENTY-ONE! Today, he is ready to marry.

Did I mention that his bride to be was a Miss Teen South Carolina a few years back?

Yep. No shit. Extremely pretty, very smart girl.

So I think he turned out okay. He finally realized there was no race to just get laid for the sake of bragging rights.

The lesson, glib as it is? Be yourself!

Do that, and one day sooner than you think, you'll wind up coupled with a fine gal, with whom you'll share something more substantial than a newbie orgasm.

Keep anxious about it, and you'll repel most girls like a skunk...especially that silly-shit, gossipy high school bunch, who are all about style and rarely, substance.

Let me tell you something else while I'm at it.

You can be the biggest, most cut motherfucker pretty much anywhere outside the gym, and I seriously doubt you're going to be banging "all of the hot chicks" around you on that basis alone. For every one woman that's turned on by some shredded guy, probably 6-8 others would be either neutral or turned off. (Being totally ripped can be threatening. In a relationship, they might feel pressure to stay in comparable shape, which they'll most likely fail in doing.)

The fact of the matter is, most women don't respond too heavily SOLELY to how you, specifically your body, looks (so long as you are not a circus freak or a tub of lard, though even truly fat guys still get laid).

No: the buck-toothed pencilneck who can talk lots of shit will always take home more tail than some introverted, shy bodybuilder.

And so what? What's so great about that? Sex is wonderful, but that kind of stupid promiscuity just isn't worth it these days. I also don't think most your age are emotionally sophisticated enough to handle everything it entails anyway; then again, I am a romantic, and much as I like the idea of just feeling good, I DO think most sex should be about a little more than blowing a load.



It used to irritate the shit out of me, too. I know where you are coming from.

I was easily the most muscular guy in my high school. I'm not really a shrimp, but that's not saying a whole lot...the school seemed to be anti-lifting. The football players were a joke; at least half of them didn't even lift consistently, and most of those that did looked like they'd never worked out a day in their life.

Only two other guys took the iron seriously at all.

I like to think I'm not ugly to begin with, either. So it frustrated me when I watched as pimpled-up, scrawny little guys with the big mouths garnered so much attention. If they were really slick, it'd be one thing...but these clowns were flapping their fucking arms and squealing, "CHICKEN!" apropos nothing, in some stupid effort to be funny. They were MORONS.

The sheer lunacy of that crap would sometimes make me want to put my fist through the wall. It was just so damn DUMB!

At some point during high school, I simply realized these people weren't worth the thought. I was pissing away valuable time by getting mad at their bullshit. And it hurt me. It made me uneasy.

So once I was comfortable with myself and ignored what those tards were doing, I had immediate positive feedback. It was nice.

The same went for lifting, too. I used to be obsessed with whether or not my arms were bigger than they were the week before. I would pose for probably hours every day at one point, and to this day, I really don't know WHY! I wasn't competing then. I was just totally anal about the whole thing.

When I calmed down a bit, I found I could still be entirely dedicated to getting JACKED, and it was probably easier to do because I wasn't expending so much nervous energy.

I know that is extremely hard to do at 17, 18, hell, ANY age; but once you master it, you'll enjoy lifting AND life much more. The more fun something is, the more apt you are to succeed.

I realize that's not what you were looking for, but it sounded as if you were letting what other people thought, or things which were beyond your immediate control, define your sense of self, which isn't heathly.

The bulk or cut thing is in your court. What do you WANT to do? You are in this for the long term...if I were you, I'd take advantage of those teenage hormones and keep gaining mass. You look lean enough if your immediate goal is just to have a body sufficient for getting laid.

Besides, a girl might ooh or compliment a nice set of abs, but that's over in two seconds, and you just spent 3 months getting them that could've been better used, IMO, by adding inches of thickness all over.

Good post.
 
Lee, let me add one more thing, brother. I've played the game, and it's not even worth playing once you realize what women want. I have plenty of experience with the fairer sex, and I can tell you that I figured them out.

What women want is AMBITION. As athletes who value physical performance, we're all guilty of judging others who aren't as physically gifted from time to time by their physical attributes.

Even I myself have looked around and saw a drop dead gorgeous girl arm in arm with an older gentleman and thought what the fuck is she doing with this fat, cigar-chomping fuck?? She could hop aboard the train (my nickname).

Well, I'll tell you what she is doing with him. He may be a fat, cigar smoking guy, but thats just one side of him, the side we as athletes see. Say he is also the CEO of a huge company who buys other companies and ruthlessly tears them apart from top to bottom, then coldly sells them for a profit, to give the family that he loves and cherishes the best life possible.....See, all of a sudden this guy becomes a pretty cool motherfucker, he's a big dawg. His ambition to do what he does and be as successful as possible is what a GOOD woman finds sexy, and that is a lot hotter than the unemployed guy with a 6 pack and a tan who does nothing with himself except do crunches and go to tanning parlors.

Good women, women worth fucking and being with, like ambition and drive. If your ambition is to be the biggest, strongest human being you can possibly be because it will lead to a better life for you, which will lead to a better life for your family, the sweetest, sexiest, hottest, most loving women will respect you and want to be with you for that drive and ambition.

My point is just don't compromise who you ae and what you want because of outside influences, do it for you, and do it 100% with drive and ambition, and life will suddenly get a lot easier.
 
Sorry if your post got a little off track, but it just seemed like you wanted to do something beneficial, but for all the wrong reasons.

Think about what YOU want from training, set YOUR goals for you and nobody else, then post how you want to accomplish those goals with respect to eating and training, and we can get this shit back on track.
 
Yo man, i would start takin L-Glutamine, which is an amino acid like protein, and it prevent muscle breakdown when you are dieting or "cuttin". Also, when you first wake up, before you eat, do like 30 minutes of cardio, runnin, joggin, raquet ball, anything to get your heartrate up for atleast 30 minutes, because at this time there is no food in you, so you burn fat. As for the L-glutamine, try to take in around 10-15 g's a day, to minimize muscle loss, also keep on weight lifting and only drop your calories about 250-300 less a day...IntenseWorkout.com has really good articles on this.....
 
Lee. Do what YOU want to do. If cutting up and getting some abs showing will make you more comfortable with your self i say go for it. Go on a diet and do some more cardio for a while and see if that is what you want. Your young and have a long lifting career in front of you a few month of cutting wont fuck you up.

Dont be afraid to try new things.
 
thx for all the posts guys, i realized after reading all these that i had gotten off track and wanted to look good for other people. ive decided to keep bulking, because I want to be big, not because others want me to. and again, thx for everyone who took the time to reply to this, it means a lot to me.
 
Lee,

You might look into DC's diet. It is pretty simple. Lots of protien and cut out the carbs in the evening so your body cuts into its fat stores if you do cardio in the morning.

CKD looks pretty good too, I think it just cuts the carbs on non workout days more than anything, if I am not mistaken.

I think you can keep your fat gains minimal while bulking. My bf has barely moved since I started DC and I am still gaining weight. You can stick to the 5x5, but might work out a diet from something like that.

Listen dude, about the girl thing. I was 18 when I first got laid and it actually made me feel like shit. It was (in my eyes) a 1 night stand. I wasnt that type of guy. The girl actually asked me out again and I ended up marrying her. She is fucking hot too. We have had our problems throughout the way and now I am going thru a divorce. I would take her back in a heartbeat though if she came back and she even cheated on me.

Wait about 5-6 years after high school and look back at the studs you knew in high school. All the ones I knew are now fat, have 10 kids and work a shitty job. Most of the ones I knew are going bald too for some reason. Im not sure if it has anything to do with them getting all the girls in high school, but it just seems to happen that way.

Wait it out man. I know how frustrating it is because I was there myself.

Go to college, get a hella job, and when you graduate at 22 or 23 or so, you will be the man the ladies want. Your freaking 6-5 man, tell me what ladies dont like a tall guy standing next to them?
 
Lots of good points on this thread. I'll try to make my point without stepping on any toes.

1)
300#s at 6'5" is not too big. I'm 6'2" and I've been 275 pretty lean. It wasn't very big. At your height, a solid 300 would look damn good.

2)
I didn't get laid until I was 20. While everyone else was partying and getting all the ladies, I was in the dojo and the gym training my ass off. Who has the professional fight record? Not them. I have an incredible and beautiful wife now.

3)
THINK OF THE FUTURE!!!!
Use your youth and growth potential to blow up and create a monster frame. You can't do that when your 30.

Think about it....

When you're 25, would you rather be a thin, cut guy sitting back thinking....."damn I was a pimp when I was younger."......

or

As you look in the mirror at your 300 lb body with your hotty lady standing next to you you say..."damn I'm glad I made sacrifices when I was younger.



PRIORITIES BRO
 
a solid 300 would take steroiuds. look at Sean Allen, hes 6'4" 352 right now, but when he was 290, he was a juice machine.
 
Lee said:
a solid 300 would take steroiuds. look at Sean Allen, hes 6'4" 352 right now, but when he was 290, he was a juice machine.
I think b-fold would have somethng to say about that:)
 
Lee said:
bfold has obviously awesome genetics, so far, from what i can tell, i have horrible genetics. im tall, chubby, big boned, and muscle gains take forever for me to notice

That's an easy conclusion to make, but have you seen the weakling B was before he started?

Fuck genetics. If you want it, go get it.
 
bfold has obviously awesome genetics, so far, from what i can tell, i have horrible genetics. im tall, chubby, big boned, and muscle gains take forever for me to notice
 
Yo man, i would start takin L-Glutamine, which is an amino acid like protein, and it prevent muscle breakdown when you are dieting or "cuttin". Also, when you first wake up, before you eat, do like 30 minutes of cardio, runnin, joggin, raquet ball, anything to get your heartrate up for atleast 30 minutes, because at this time there is no food in you, so you burn fat. As for the L-glutamine, try to take in around 10-15 g's a day, to minimize muscle loss, also keep on weight lifting and only drop your calories about 250-300 less a day...IntenseWorkout.com has really good articles on this.....

Don't waste your money on glutamine

Do your morning HIITs
Eat Healthy (Plenty of good advice offered in this thread)
Do it for yourself

-Rise
 
bein 6'5'' is not horrible genetics, second I got to well over 3 bills completely natural, then when I cut down I had 8% bf at 265 NATURAL....with a big frame and good people behind you at a young age you have a lot of potential.
 
Wow cool thread, I'm having the exact same prob as you Lee, same age too. Although I'm not as lucky as you are, I'm about 5'7 185 lbs at 18-24% bodyfat ;).

I'm cutting this summer though, not because I want to impress people but it'll help with body weight exercises and motivation (easier to see results). You look pretty lean there I wouldn't worry about putting on too much fat. It's all up to you though, I think you made a wise choice to bulk. And yeah, most of the people who replied are right. It's confidence/ambition/success that gets girls not a lean physique (although it will really help).

Hmm so all of you have been/seen guys screwed over who were going for girls too early in life? Thanks for the encouragement/warnings guys, I really needed to hear that stuff to get my priorities straight. :)
 
Lee said:
bfold has obviously awesome genetics, so far, from what i can tell, i have horrible genetics. im tall, chubby, big boned, and muscle gains take forever for me to notice

Isn't being big-boned a good thing?

Anyway, I feel the same way in a sense and that's why I'm cutting right now. I love women. But I'm doing it for me in a sense. I hate looking in the mirror and not seeing abs. You might think it's incredibly shallow, but I want to be "that guy" at the club, pool or whereever that the girls want and the guys wish they were. Call it what you want, but I spent the first 18 years of my life being a total loser. I'm turning the tables.

He can do it all, he's only 17 for christ's sake. He could be pretty damn cut in 8-12 weeks, and as long as he watched his carbs at night he could still bulk while staying pretty lean. I'm 21 and have only been training for about a year. I already look better than most guys. He has all the time in the world.
 
Definitely a good thread. Not much I can say that others haven't.

Lee, I understand where you're coming from with girls, but it's all overrated. I've learned that over this past year. Don't let that influence you too much. I wouldn't say to discard the idea completely, keep it in the back of your mind, but make sure your main drive is going to make you happy.

I agree with Debaser with his reasoning - he's cutting now because he wants to be "that guy" and being as Summer's rolling around I myself think I'm going to change things up a bit. I want to lean out somewhat right now for Summer. It'd be nice if I can make this happen quick. I figure, since you normally store extra fat in the Winter for warmth anyway, and I'm going to be wearing my huge sweatshirts all throughout that time, it'll be perfect to bulk. I guess we'll just wait and see, though.

As far as that goes, does anyone think I should go for a CKD or just try some sprints and other forms of cardio?

Oh, and should I continue with my current lifting routine (5x5) and if so, should I keep increasing the weight each week, even though when you cut you generally lose strength?
 
I'm going to do HIIT cardio along with CKD. I'll still use 5x5...although the numbers will be significantly lower, but it's better than atrophy right? At what age do you stop being such a testosterone factory?
 
Debaser said:


He can do it all, he's only 17 for christ's sake. He could be pretty damn cut in 8-12 weeks, and as long as he watched his carbs at night he could still bulk while staying pretty lean. I'm 21 and have only been training for about a year. I already look better than most guys. He has all the time in the world.

How many grams per bodyweight do you think is needed to cut bodyfat but still be able to add muscle and not look flat?

I'm debating going low carb--because most people get down really low on these and they have hormonal benefits or going moderate carb--around 100-150g carbs.

Also gonna do DC and HIIT.
 
this are all very good posts. thx for everyone who is giving advice, after reading Debaser's post i decided for 100% that i wanna bulk. i do have a lot of time cuz im still young, and cutting is rather easy. but id rather bulk for now and just be a monster. i wanna be "that guy" that people gawk at cuz my arms are as big or bigger then their legs :D
 
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