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Sick of being fat: please critique...

Lots of good advice, I'm not sure about the cardio on an empty stomach though. I did that for quite a while and lost shit loads of fat, but I also lost tons of muscle. I have a feeling that doing it on an empty stomach contributes to catabolism, what do you guys think?

Doing cardio on an empty stomach while on AS is probally fine though, because you don't have to worry about muscle loss.
 
WOW, thanks for all the detailled replies guys.

I don't think I've made mysel clear though. I do know how to diet and I have been successful at it. I went from 210lbs(febuary2001) at over 20% Bf(can you picture a 40 inch waist on a guy who's 5'8) to 185lbs at 12% using nohing but adipo half the time. This was in 4 months and I had finally gotten out of drug abuse and depression.

I know my body perfectly, and I know that if I go below 2300 cals I lose too much muscle mass.

I've tried every typeof crdio, at different times and the best has to be cardio in the am on 20-25g of whey protein or even better 4-6g of Bcaa's.

I was unsure about the anavar and the last 2 weeks of coming off my diet. Since I've never used AS, I'll put it off and do my first cycle after this diet.

Karma for everyone.
 
mlomker said:


Like the good Dr., I think Ox is a fine choice but you have to use large (expensive) doses before it'll work the way you want. Buying a couple bottles of T200 would be a lot cheaper.

Actually I should have mentionned that I get Anavar very cheap, cheaper than a couple of bottles of test.
 
Dantes said:
Lots of good advice, I'm not sure about the cardio on an empty stomach though. I did that for quite a while and lost shit loads of fat, but I also lost tons of muscle. I have a feeling that doing it on an empty stomach contributes to catabolism, what do you guys think?

That's exactly right. Your body's first response will be to eat the muscle, not the fat, unless you have something in your stomach. If you do cardio first thing in the AM on an empty stomach you are inviting catabolism. Your body has "starved" for 8 hrs or so and is already in a state of catabolism. You must eat as soon as you wake up. A small protein/carb shake will stop the catabolism.
 
BigAndy69 said:


Actually I should have mentionned that I get Anavar very cheap, cheaper than a couple of bottles of test.

HEY BA...actually i like your idea w/ anavar...the only thing i would do is up the dose...to apprx 40mg/week.especially since you can get it at such a cheap $;your diet looks good...i know you know what you're doing...your clen results ae sparking my interest though...then again,after only 2 weeks of tren my bf% has dropped considerably...the paper thin skin is apparent at this point and i still have 5 weeks to go...hehehe.

serge,

as far as test being #1...i disagree...tren takes the cake bro...especially for BA's goals...
 
Thanks, I didn't expect all those replies on how to diet and do cardio, but they were nice. I've decided to postpone my cycle, and here is why: I've never used creatine.

Weird huh? I figured I would start using creatine for a little longer, and I would still be able to put on 5-7lbs of lbm naturally(probly even more). When I max out on the creatine I'll start anavar/creatine.

Btw, Big thinker, your pm box is always full!
 
carbs are too high. scratch the anavar. if you are not afraid of popping, use fina or T50 to help minimize muscle loss. using both will be ideal. low dose worked for me.


if ya don't wanna pop, consider fina orally. here are a few sample diets that have worked for me and my friends:

Diet/Workout #1

typical day

wake up 6:30 (take eca) run for 15-20min then hit abs
for a few sets. 12 oz water
8am bowel of total with a half banana cut up in it
(skim milk)
11am 6 oz chicken breast 1/2 cup rice
11:30 ECA
2 pm turkey sandwich on wheat lettuce pickle 6" sub
5pm balace bar (chocolate or almond brownie these
things taste great and are 97 cents at walmart)
5:30pm lifting time (no more that 45min i am dead)
6:30 fish (cod) or chicken grilled, small baked pot or
rice with can't belive butter spray, broccoli (alot of
it with the butter spray)
9:30 zero carb isopure shake in water (the shit is
unreal strawberry and cream....shake itup let sit for
2min and it gets thick like its in milk.
11 (no later during the week for me)
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on non lifting days i am cutting grass (pushing) so i
get added cardio so do some cardio on non lifting days
(30min low impact)

this workout takes me only 3 days a week. trust me
thats all you can handle with it. each day takes no
more than 45min
its all fast passed super sets with opposing
musclegroups. (honestly the best workouts i ever had)

mondays (lats, chest delts)
(all exercises are done to failure use a weight that
you fail before 20 but do at least 12-15.......for the
next 6 weeks do not add weight to exercises only add
reps.
wide grip chins do a set to failure(only exercise i
cannot get to 12 reps) then go straight into incline
db press then right into side lateral raises...... (no
rest between the sets) repeat this 3 times......take
30 sec break no more!!!!
bent over rows/decline bench/ front raise
same way 3 sets all to failure no rest

by now you should be dead!!!!!! if not your not
working!!!!
take no more than 30sec
close grip pulldown/incline db flys/ shrugs

wed bis/tris
same system as monday all sets to fail and no rest
between exercises

standing bar curl super set skull crushers
3 sets take 30 sec

seated incline db curl super set revgrip pushdowns

single arm db preacher curl.....by now i use a 20
pound dumbell with right arm i do not count reps....as
soon as i fail with the 20 i grab the 15 and fail once
you fail assist yourseld with other arm to get 8 more
you should get and unreal pump from this then do left
arm super sets with db kickbacks to fail each arm

i only do this 2 times and i'm done

friday or sat ( i am taking a break now from heavy leg
work my knees need it bad)
legs (quads/hams/calves)

single leg ext/ then leg curls
3 sets no rest
1 set of calve raises to fail each leg
(my leg workout is week now as you can see)

Diet #2

Sample

Meal 1. 8 egg whites,2 yolks
Servin of oatmeal with artificial sweetner n cinamon

Meal 2. large chicken or turkey breasts, 2 starches n a cup of greens

Meal 3. Same as 2

Meal 4. Lean steak a starch n 2 cups of any greens

Meal 5. Can of tuna in spring water a lama beans n 2 cups of greens

Meal 6 at bout 8pm. Can of tuna or a chicken breast n a cup of any
greens

Starches or heavy carbs Greens examples\
potatoes broccli
rice peas
oats carrots
lama beans califlour
barbecue baked beans spinach
legumes sprouts

Throw in 2 meal replacements per day. 1 as a snack or seventh meal
somwhere n
i as a replacement for 1 of th 6 meals above. Use a meal replacement
such as
met-rx,labrada or mrp44 or u can make yur own meal replacement by usin
1
servin of oatmeal mixed with a double servin of protein powder. If u
make
your own then get a canister of met-rx metomyosyn pure protein and a
can of
whey protein n mak 1 meal replacement with th metamyosyn protein blend
n 1
with th all whey. or u can mak 1 with whey n buy som meal replacement
shakes
lik met-rx,labrada or mrp44. i suggest u get them from S&W since its
much
cheaper especially th whey protein. use water 4 th meal replacements
most of
th time. you can use milk lik once eod. You can hav 1 cheat day every
week.
Such as th day u drink on mak it yur cheat day. Use ECA th first couple
weeks
2 cut down on cravins 4 th foods you'll b missin.

After u really start leanin out n or start a cycle u can start havin
bread
with th meals n usin milk instead of water for all th meal
replacements n
even add fruit 2 them. If u should start yur cycle u can hav a cheat
meal
every day as long as its befor 3pm.
 
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