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gsa11

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I made the mistake of doing an anavar only cycle around 3 months back at 50mg e/d. My initial PCT was 2 weeks of nolvadex at 20mg ED and even after the PCT I was fairly suppressed, low libido and ranged from not being able to get an erection to significant difficulty maintaining one. I then got some bloodwork done but only total test which came out to 400. From there I decided to do four weeks of clomid at 50mg ED. Two weeks into this I got more bloodwork and my test was significantly higher, 882 but my libido and ED issues have not subsided. Two weeks later I got some more extensive blood work and these were the results

DHEA - Sulfate 594.4 (160-449)
Estradiol - 28.2 (7.6-42.6)
PSA - 0.7 (0-4)
Test total - 532 (348-1197)
Test free - 12.2 (9.3-26.5)
TSH - 2.42 (.45-4.5)
T4 - 7.8 (4.5-12)
T3F - 3 (2-4.4)
T4, Free - 1.58 (.82-1.77)

Test levels may have been lower on this last test because I had it done at 2:30 and after working out.

If anyone has anything that may help or suggestions/advice please let me know. As of now I am having a lot of difficulty maintaining an erection and libido feels low.

Thanks
 
I am 25... yes I realize now they can be libido killers and have been off clomid for 1.5-2 wks. Would appreciate any further insight. Thanks
 
Unfortunately their is not a lot you can do other than just wait until your test levels rise back within their normal range. What were your free test levels before your cycle? You will be fine in time and just remember as young as you are, to just cycle on and off in the future to prevent this. Your body will recover on its own in time and you will be fine.
 
Not everyone reacts the same way to PCT.

Here is mine for a standard cycle

Tamoxifen Week 1-4 20mg/ED
plus
Clomid Week 1 50mg/ED week 2-4 25mg/ED

If you have been on a long time or are shut down, you may need to stay on the PCT longer.

Clomid makes my balls swell quickly, but I feel crap while on it.

I also run low dose Naltrexone while on cycle and that keeps my balls pretty near their full size.

HCG on cycle is almost as good, but I prefer Low dose Naltrexone, the trick is to keep your system as near normal as possible while on cycle.

Anyway if you are shut down, you need to repeat your PCT, your idea of a PCT would do very little for me, something a bit more like mine would be better.
 
Worst PCT ever. WHy use an anti estrogen for a steroid that doesn't aromatize? This is typical 1990 (mis) information. ANd do not listen to Shruggys' advice. It is wrong.
 
gsa11 said:
ok got LH/FSH results. Looks like my LH is low

LH - 1.3 (1.7-8.6)
FSH - 2.5 (1.5-12.4)
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wow those are horrible numbers.

what i would do is run a full pct all over again.

start off with hcg and HMG. run a course

then run a very low dose clomid with phystoserms... (click the link in my signature and use the code i have listed to get a discount)_ run a full course like that

then after run bloods again and i guarantee you.. in fact i will bet you my left nut that your numbers will be tremendously improved

come back on here after and tell everyone how i was right. :chomp:
 
gsa11 said:
Do you have any suggestions from here going forward Nelson? Thanks
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I agree, a little HCG to get things up and running is recommended -- not much -- 2 hits of 1000 i.us, 2 days apart. Any more than that does no good. Then some UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE for a solid month at least. Phytoserms and BRIDGE wouldn't be a bad idea either. Also, get more oil and eggs in your diet to start rebuilding your hormonal system. You should be feeling a lot better within a couple of weeks.
 
stevesmi said:
wow those are horrible numbers.

what i would do is run a full pct all over again.

start off with hcg and HMG. run a course

then run a very low dose clomid with phystoserms... (click the link in my signature and use the code i have listed to get a discount)_ run a full course like that

then after run bloods again and i guarantee you.. in fact i will bet you my left nut that your numbers will be tremendously improved

come back on here after and tell everyone how i was right. :chomp:
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This is proven.

My last Lh and fsh levels were 1.9 and 2.5. I ran hcg 2000 iu split dosed 1000iu per shot and hmg 75iu eod for two weeks then ran clomid 50/25/25/25 with test infusion and daa then ran phytoserms by itself after it was all over for about three weeks. I've been off everything over a month and My results are night and day. Ill post my new levels next week. I can tell u already tho they're back to normal, I feel amazing.
 
thank you everyone for the help. steve if you do not mind what dosage do you recommend for hcg/hmg and clomid? also I am already 2 weeks into post cycle and AEN Athletic Performance Edge test booster. Should I just continue to take those or wait till after pct? Also can I use phytoserm in conjunction with those?

appreciate all the help
 
Nelson Montana said:
I agree, a little HCG to get things up and running is recommended -- not much -- 2 hits of 1000 i.us, 2 days apart. Any more than that does no good. Then some UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE for a solid month at least. Phytoserms and BRIDGE wouldn't be a bad idea either. Also, get more oil and eggs in your diet to start rebuilding your hormonal system. You should be feeling a lot better within a couple of weeks.
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is hmg necessary as well in your opinion?
 
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Thanks Nelson. I have some HCG and phytoserm on the way. Should I just continue with AEN Ape and Post-cycle?
 
gsa11 said:
thank you everyone for the help. steve if you do not mind what dosage do you recommend for hcg/hmg and clomid? also I am already 2 weeks into post cycle and AEN Athletic Performance Edge test booster. Should I just continue to take those or wait till after pct? Also can I use phytoserm in conjunction with those?

appreciate all the help
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dude follow what i tell you to a tee.. i have been cycling for almost 5 years straight and i always recover.... the first cycle i ran my pct was similar to yours and my recovery was very shitty. i have then since learned from a lot of trial and error.

do exactly what i tell you .. get all your stuff together and run this protocol. after its done run bloods and i will cut off my left nut if you aren't improved.

those of you who are in the same boat as the OP listen very closely to this.

hcg and HMG mimic LH and FSH. only difference is HMG does it more naturally. is that a better thing? you damn right it is. the negative is HMG is expensive as fuck. so use both to your advantage.

hcg do 750-1000iu's every 3.5 days for 2.5 weeks. add in HMG 2 hits 75iu's each. spread them out and add them during this 2 weeks whenever you want.

after that your T levels will jump and your LH and FSH will tank assuming you dosed correctly and its real. so you aren't finished yet. now lets move to the next step

clomid at 12.5mg ED for 3.5 weeks WITH phystoserms (see the link in my signature and use the discount code).. if you can afford it run 2 bottles of phystoserms.. follow the directions on the bottle until the bottles are empty.

wait 1 week and then run bloods again. this is a 6 week protocol total depending on if you run multiple phystoserms bottles. from the clients i have dealt with 2 bottles of phystoserms is the way to go because you will still have it in your system as the clomid is clearing out so it will make you feel like you are on cycle and negate the clomid sides.
 
Nelson Montana said:
How so?
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Sex drive. Was running the hcg alone at first but once I mixed the hmg in the regimen I noticed my sex drive and overall mood was higher than before. Even now after the fact I sustained all of the results I had while on. I also followed up for 2 weeks with clomid.
 
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