Should soldiers with PTSD face charges?

[Razorguns]

Ex: This 25 y/o who did two tours, beatup and killed his gf. What if she was cheating on him? What if it was accidental like she fell and hit her head? What if it was in a drunken spur?

Discuss. I'm going for a milkshake.

19-Year-Old Woman Beaten to Death in San Clemente


19-Year-Old Woman Beaten to Death in San Clemente

KTLA News

September 2, 2008

SAN CLEMENTE -- A 25-year-old soldier, home from Iraq, is in custody as a possible suspect in the beating death of his 19-year-old girlfriend at a San Clemente condominium, authorities said.

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[chefbone]

That shit ain't no joke dude....I'm slowly getting better and better everyday but I can relate to that soldier. It's underestimated.....and there is not enough true support for soldiers out there...TBH.

 

[dabuffguy]

If he is guilty he should be thrown in jail.

Being drunk isn't an excuse. Getting drunk is irresponsible anyways. Adn if you get violent when you are drunk and hurt someone, you should still be held fully responsible.

my $.02

 

[Razorguns]

If he is guilty he should be thrown in jail.

Being drunk isn't an excuse. Getting drunk is irresponsible anyways. Adn if you get violent when you are drunk and hurt someone, you should still be held fully responsible.

my $.02

So PTSD means nothing is what you're saying?

What if you just got back - and some fucktard hippie insults everythihng you just did - and you kick the shit out of him and kill him. Throw him in jail?

What if the bitch cheated on him? What if someone tried to rob him?

Treat him exactly the same as someone working at burger king???

r

 

[ricco561]

So PTSD means nothing is what you're saying?

What if you just got back - and some fucktard hippie insults everythihng you just did - and you kick the shit out of him and kill him. Throw him in jail?

What if the bitch cheated on him? What if someone tried to rob him?

Treat him exactly the same as someone working at burger king???

r

So if someone is jay walking, you should run them over?

 

[miplank]

So PTSD means nothing is what you're saying?

What if you just got back - and some fucktard hippie insults everythihng you just did - and you kick the shit out of him and kill him. Throw him in jail?

What if the bitch cheated on him? What if someone tried to rob him?

Treat him exactly the same as someone working at burger king???

r

yup....

 

[p0ink]

So PTSD means nothing is what you're saying?

What if you just got back - and some fucktard hippie insults everythihng you just did - and you kick the shit out of him and kill him. Throw him in jail?

What if the bitch cheated on him? What if someone tried to rob him?

Treat him exactly the same as someone working at burger king???

r

it's called having restraint.

even living in one of the most liberal areas of the country, 99.9% of people who know who i am/what i have done, treat me with the utmost respect, kindness, and sincerity.

it's not the 60's anymore.

and yes, i don't give two shits if someone has ptsd. if they commit a crime, they should be punished like everyone else.

 

[ricco561]

yup....

True............but.
We had a couple of similar (no murders, thank God), incidents in the Canadian Army. PTSD is not an excuse. Ask anybody with it and they will tell you the same thing.

 

[miplank]

True............but.
We had a couple of similar (no murders, thank God), incidents in the Canadian Army. PTSD is not an excuse. Ask anybody with it and they will tell you the same thing.

I was saying "yup" they should be treated like the kid working at burger king...


a crime is a crime...i'm so sick of hearing excuses as to why people commit them.

 

[dabuffguy]

So PTSD means nothing is what you're saying?

What if you just got back - and some fucktard hippie insults everythihng you just did - and you kick the shit out of him and kill him. Throw him in jail?

What if the bitch cheated on him? What if someone tried to rob him?

Treat him exactly the same as someone working at burger king???

r

If he is a threat to peoples lives, he cannot be out in public etc.

You can't let a guy roam free if he will potentially kill someone else because of his condition.

lol, redundant

 

[jaybois]

So PTSD means nothing is what you're saying?

What if you just got back - and some fucktard hippie insults everythihng you just did - and you kick the shit out of him and kill him. Throw him in jail?

What if the bitch cheated on him? What if someone tried to rob him?

Treat him exactly the same as someone working at burger king???

r

I say hand this fuck over to the girl's family.PSTD or not no fucking excuse for beating a woman.

 

[Razorguns]

Yeah we support our troops

until they come home with PTSD - then we don't give a shit. We treat them like everyone else.

Another reason why you should NOT join the military. If you're fucked up overseas, no one will give a shit about you when u get back.

r

 

[ricco561]

Yeah we support our troops

until they come home with PTSD - then we don't give a shit. We treat them like everyone else.

Another reason why you should NOT join the military. If you're fucked up overseas, no one will give a shit about you when u get back.

r

The problem is not that there is no support. The problem is the soldier won't seek help............ for many different reasons.

 

[Razorguns]

The problem is not that there is no support. The problem is the soldier won't seek help............ for many different reasons.

I said support from society. Lots of support when you head off. Parades and feel-good bullshit. None when u come home with problems or part of a losing-war that's costing taxpayers money.

Ask a Vietnam Vet about how much support he got from society when he came back with ptsd.

Say NO to the us military (unless you're really really really desperate for $15k).

r

 

[stosstruppe]

So PTSD means nothing is what you're saying?

What if you just got back - and some fucktard hippie insults everythihng you just did - and you kick the shit out of him and kill him. Throw him in jail?

What if the bitch cheated on him? What if someone tried to rob him?

Treat him exactly the same as someone working at burger king???

r

What if what if what if.

The only facts we have is that a war veteran got drunk and beat a woman to death. The bloke's brother - an unbiased chap - stating he was having problems upon returning from tour, so no PTSD established. Back home for months and no family member or mates talked him in to seeking help?

What we could establish is if he was a violent woman beating drunk prior to his tour, but we can't ask the SO seeing as she's dead.

Serving your country doesn't render you above the law.

 

[dabuffguy]

No one is trying to be not sympathetic. I have a cousin on his 2nd tour overseas, and he has told me he has shot and killed people and seen friends be shot. It is really terrible, and I can't comprehend the reality of it unless I actually see it.

Even with that, you cannot use PTSD as an excuse for killing someone. You just can't.

 

[ricco561]

I said support from society. Lots of support when you head off. Parades and feel-good bullshit. None when u come home with problems or part of a losing-war that's costing taxpayers money.

Ask a Vietnam Vet about how much support he got from society when he came back with ptsd.

Say NO to the us military (unless you're really really really desperate for $15k).

r

There is a big difference between Vietnam and today. There is always going to be anti-war protests.
That's why we, the soldier go off to fight.............so we can protect their lily, white, cowardly ass and give them the right to make fools of themselves.

 

[needtogetarmy]

I lost a close friend to suicide this summer. We served in the 82D together. PTSD is no joke.

I agree soldiers need more support and services. The majority of the injuries out there are beneath the skin and affect the heart and soul. Believe it or not there are many programs out there. My friend was in one program and got good support. He just didn't make it.

On another note,

1) If a hippie fucks with you because you are a soldier you have every right to fuck him/her up. Period.

2) Killing your girlfriend while being drunk is not acceptable regardless if PTSD is a factor. Current law in most states will look at everything and PTSD most likely is a valid defense to homicide. The judge will mitigate the sentence. He still needs to be held accountable for his actions though.

Hopefully he will get help. It sucks to read about things like this.

 

[Razorguns]

So basically PTSD means nothing. If soldier has mental problems and goes off deep end -- treat him just like he's worked at burger king last 2 years.

I just want to verify this 'support the soldiers' feelgood bullshit most people blab about. They just want to look oool with their bumper stickers and shit.

r

 

[SpyWizard]

killing her, even if she was sleeping with his brother of father is not a justified homicide period.. even if she terminated his child without his consent it's not justified..

 

[redguru]

Having a disorder does not override culpability. You are responsible for your actions.

 

[Razorguns]

killing her, even if she was sleeping with his brother of father is not a justified homicide period.. even if she terminated his child without his consent it's not justified..

i disagree. If a soldier comes back from war, and she's been cheating on him. What's that saying? "It may be wrong...but I understand". She brought it on herself - no reason he should be charged. Lots of army wives have been killed past few years for sleeping around while soldiers are risking their lives in warzones. Pathetic.

Ask this:

I bet 99% of you, if you found out that Va. Tech shooter was part of a Govt program that fucked with this brain for years and then released. And now he was mentally screwed up - then shot up the school. YOU ALL WOULD BLAME THE GOVT for the massacre.

Now replace the govt program with a war. And mental problems with PTSD. To the brain, it's the same thing.

But of course, you're selfish. You want soldiers to fuck themselves up for your freedoms - but don't care about the results when said govt creates soldiers with mental DISORDERS. Typical american attitudes.

I just had a guy in my unit blow his brains out few months ago. No one in the city gave a shit.

r

 

[Basic_wonder]

Rambo comes to mind every time I see one of these conversations ....

 

[Land]

Well first off he shouldnt think nore any other soldier think that they're other half is going to be true to them while they happen to be on extended leave in some forign land.
Sorry to say it but it's true : /
And as for the punishment, it dont matter what his ailments are, if he murderd someone then he deserves the same as anyone else that has done the same act's.

 

[Razorguns]

Well first off he shouldnt think nore any other soldier think that they're other half is going to be true to them while they happen to be on extended leave in some forign land.
Sorry to say it but it's true : /
And as for the punishment, it dont matter what his ailments are, if he murderd someone then he deserves the same as anyone else that has done the same act's.

Yep. Ignore his disorder caused by fighting for YOUR freedoms. Treat him like a burger king employee.

Bring back the draft - that'll wake up people.

Oh look kids! A 17 y/o had a baby!

r

 

[javaguru]

Ex: This 25 y/o who did two tours, beatup and killed his gf. What if she was cheating on him? What if it was accidental like she fell and hit her head? What if it was in a drunken spur?

Discuss. I'm going for a milkshake.

19-Year-Old Woman Beaten to Death in San Clemente


19-Year-Old Woman Beaten to Death in San Clemente

KTLA News

September 2, 2008

SAN CLEMENTE -- A 25-year-old soldier, home from Iraq, is in custody as a possible suspect in the beating death of his 19-year-old girlfriend at a San Clemente condominium, authorities said.

r

The law came to the conclusion not soon after WWII, a vet of WWII in the Pacific killed his son in what he described as a "ptsd moment." He confused him for a Jap infiltrator and knifed him.

 

[dabuffguy]

So basically PTSD means nothing. If soldier has mental problems and goes off deep end -- treat him just like he's worked at burger king last 2 years.

I just want to verify this 'support the soldiers' feelgood bullshit most people blab about. They just want to look oool with their bumper stickers and shit.

r

Of course not bro, soldiers do need help and support.

Still, we can't have people who have killed others (PTSD caused or not) be in public and around other people. It is not a risk we should gamble on. It someone might just explode out of his own disposition and control and kill someone, they need to be restrained in some form.

 

[ricco561]

Yep. Ignore his disorder caused by fighting for YOUR freedoms. Treat him like a burger king employee.

Bring back the draft - that'll wake up people.

Oh look kids! A 17 y/o had a baby!

r

You are an angry young man. You really should talk to somebody about that.
Nobody is saying f&*k the soldier. But personal responsibility and justice has to come into play. If not, people would be running around killing everybody for whatever reason they want (oh wait, that happens now).

 

[eddymerckx]

these bros need help---and i wager the number of bros--and bro-ettes for that matter is very under reported. if we don't give them all the resources they need we are complicit in their actions---

 

[canadianhitman]

Ok, so why is it that when someone has PTSD and commits a crime, everyone is quick to say lock them up and throw away the key

But when some whackjob mother kills her kids and cries about Post-Partum Depression, people are actually willing to consider it as a factor???

Just curious. What's the difference?

 

[redguru]

Ok, so why is it that when someone has PTSD and commits a crime, everyone is quick to say lock them up and throw away the key

But when some whackjob mother kills her kids and cries about Post-Partum Depression, people are actually willing to consider it as a factor???

Just curious. What's the difference?

No difference, both should be locked up. Depression and PTSD do not exclude culpability for one's own actions.

 

[QiangDa]

i disagree. If a soldier comes back from war, and she's been cheating on him. What's that saying? "It may be wrong...but I understand". She brought it on herself - no reason he should be charged. Lots of army wives have been killed past few years for sleeping around while soldiers are risking their lives in warzones. Pathetic.

She brought it on herself? What really is pathetic is soldiers making excuses for being violent outside of a combat area. If she cheats on him, it is absolutely no excuse for violence. He should absolutely be charged.
I actually think soldiers should be held to a higher standard, rather than a lower standard where they can go around killing anone they want and blaming PTSD for it.

 

[jackangel]

lol what he's saying doesn't even make sense. it's so ridiculous that it just doesn't even warrant more than a lol response.

 

[Dial_tone]

Ask this:

I bet 99% of you, if you found out that Va. Tech shooter was part of a Govt program that fucked with this brain for years and then released. And now he was mentally screwed up - then shot up the school. YOU ALL WOULD BLAME THE GOVT for the massacre.

Now replace the govt program with a war. And mental problems with PTSD. To the brain, it's the same thing.
r

And you're done making that leap follow it up by replacing 'war' with 'inner city ghetto' then tell us how you feel about people who are victims of circumstance.....ohh and after THAT replace inner city ghetto with spousal abuse victim, etc.

 

[iggy]

lol... this thread is from 08.

The problem is not that there is no support. The problem is the soldier won't seek help............ for many different reasons.

rico bro, your wrong. i know people who had horrible ptsd. some of the vets mental facilities wouldn't even give them help. they don't care near enough about people who serve.

true it is not understandable for him to kill his girlfriend.

BUT, in certain conditions i could see why he would do it. you have to figure he is extremely unstable. Don't judge a person till you walked in their shoes.

 

[Stefka]

lol... this thread is from 08.



rico bro, your wrong. i know people who had horrible ptsd. some of the vets mental facilities wouldn't even give them help. they don't care near enough about people who serve.

true it is not understandable for him to kill his girlfriend.

BUT, in certain conditions i could see why he would do it. you have to figure he is extremely unstable. Don't judge a person till you walked in their shoes.

If you agree with the incapacitation theory of punishment, then the justification for incarcerating someone is his or her instability and potential to harm others.

Individuals with PTSD have successfully raised insanity defenses.

Having a mental illness isn't an excuse to kill someone. Most criminals have some form of mental illness or learning disabilities or below average IQs (or at least the ones that are convicted do). A schizophrenic who has a nasty habit of stabbing people when he doesn't take his meds should be incarcerated, but should also receive treatment for his illness. The same goes for someone with PTSD.

 

[canadianhitman]

This old thread again?

 

[bigtravis]

This old thread shit is happening everyday now I'm startin to think.

 

[Razorguns]

What's next on the agenda? Bumping up a thread where I'm showing everyone my new geocities webpage?

r

 

[Dial_tone]

This old thread shit is happening everyday now I'm startin to think.

Notice the bottom of the page where it shows "Similar Threads". If EF is serious about not bumping old threads they should probably not constantly remind people of threads from 2002.

 

[jackangel]

This thread may be old, but stupidity never dies.