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BO-CEPHUS
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DcupSheepNipples
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Yes, but ugly hookers should be illegal! I'm tired of using the Double Bag Method!
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Damn right!
What two people do with each other is there business even if it includes the exchange of currency to facilate the sex act is not the government's business.
Maybe license for health reasons, which will also lead to "inCUMe" taxes but that is not the reason it is not favored upon.
Wives and girlfriends come to mind as to why it is going to stay illegal. The last time I checked it, they can vote so it ain't going to happen.
Maybe there just is not enough women in Nevada to vote it out of legal existance.
Nice dream, though.
What two people do with each other is there business even if it includes the exchange of currency to facilate the sex act is not the government's business.
Maybe license for health reasons, which will also lead to "inCUMe" taxes but that is not the reason it is not favored upon.
Wives and girlfriends come to mind as to why it is going to stay illegal. The last time I checked it, they can vote so it ain't going to happen.
Maybe there just is not enough women in Nevada to vote it out of legal existance.
Nice dream, though.
I'll tell you a little story...
My Mum is a remedial school teacher in the centre of Ireland , now Ireland is a pretty Catholic country , low crime rates and all that. When I was much younger and went to national school (ages 5-12) there was a guy in school called W. C. (I won't give the kid's full name) , he was pretty much hated , had lots of warts and was pretty dirty as well as rarely having his full allotment of clothing or books for that matter. He was the kid who was still not finished this school at 14 , at that age he met a girl , and cut her from one end (you know which one) of her body to the other with a broken bottle. He was sent to reform school where God knows what happened to him , he's back on the streets now of my home town.
To say that there were cries from most individuals in Athlone of hang him and various other tortures would be an understatement. Personally I blamed him for his own lack of hygiene , smell , vagrancy etc , and lack of respect for others. What was not known at the time was that the kid's mother used to put out her cigarettes on various parts of Will's body from a young age. Which is where the story begins to gain relevance - his Mum was a prostitute - didn't care about her children or seemingly anything else for that matter.
After living in a place where prostitution was legalised for a summer and seeing their children , I wonder how many members of this board would really hold to this point of view. Laws are there to protect expecially the weaker memebrs of society , not everyone has (or ever will have) the liberty to make an onformed viewpoint like - well I could go to the court today and argue X's case or I could alternatively clock in at the local brothel. Just like euthanasia which I agree is a marvellous idea in principle the enormous potential for abuse (of OTHERS in particular children) is something that you cannot ignore.
My Mum is a remedial school teacher in the centre of Ireland , now Ireland is a pretty Catholic country , low crime rates and all that. When I was much younger and went to national school (ages 5-12) there was a guy in school called W. C. (I won't give the kid's full name) , he was pretty much hated , had lots of warts and was pretty dirty as well as rarely having his full allotment of clothing or books for that matter. He was the kid who was still not finished this school at 14 , at that age he met a girl , and cut her from one end (you know which one) of her body to the other with a broken bottle. He was sent to reform school where God knows what happened to him , he's back on the streets now of my home town.
To say that there were cries from most individuals in Athlone of hang him and various other tortures would be an understatement. Personally I blamed him for his own lack of hygiene , smell , vagrancy etc , and lack of respect for others. What was not known at the time was that the kid's mother used to put out her cigarettes on various parts of Will's body from a young age. Which is where the story begins to gain relevance - his Mum was a prostitute - didn't care about her children or seemingly anything else for that matter.
After living in a place where prostitution was legalised for a summer and seeing their children , I wonder how many members of this board would really hold to this point of view. Laws are there to protect expecially the weaker memebrs of society , not everyone has (or ever will have) the liberty to make an onformed viewpoint like - well I could go to the court today and argue X's case or I could alternatively clock in at the local brothel. Just like euthanasia which I agree is a marvellous idea in principle the enormous potential for abuse (of OTHERS in particular children) is something that you cannot ignore.
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Pamela
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Yes!
Bigsatan13
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Yes along with all controlled substances!
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Pamela
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Yes Bigsatan you are right!! 
Bigsatan13
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Sometimes it's a burden.
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Pamela
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LOL 
nevertoobig
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No, theres enough STD's going around.
smallmovesal
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wouldn't that be funny if i hooker could collect unemployment insurance or get incentives from the govt for a business.... or maybe it's just that i'm lacking sleep that makes it funny.
Mandinka said:
thats a good arguement against legalising it
wouldnt government observation allow potentially psychologically unstable people to be 'rooted out'
also wouldnt this have sadly happened whether prostitution were legal or not? from doccy's over here it seems there are legal holes where a woman can work or the polic tolerate it
the thing is the abuse is already happening in the form of the thousands of eastern european women being forced to work as sex slaves to pay off the cost to get them into this country. by reducing their clientele and by allowing the police top focus their limited resources onto these people wont it result in a significant reduction in this ad other types of prostitution
it will also help make gay prostitution safer (from what ive read a uy grabs the rent boy, does whatever he wants with him protection or not/physcially beats him and then 'chooses' whether to pay him or not)
it would be really funny if they did like airmiles on these things though
nevertoobig
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danielson said:
Not everyone will practice safe sex and STD's will spread. More so than if prostitiution were illegal anyway.
I think prostitution should be legalized. I don't know why the government here isn't for it-- it would likely generate a lot of tax revenue. Suppose if it was widely legalized they'd have commercials?? Maybe I'm just half-asleep right now but I'm thinking it would be funny to see an ad for "Julie's House-of-Whores" on while I'm watching tv...
nevertoobig said:
laws in holland make it illegal for anyone in a government brothel to not have sex without a condom
by making prostitution illegal men can insist on not wearing one and find women that facilitate this
by legalising it it would make it an offence to not wear one, and anyone who is found to be wearing one would have the brothel shutdown/woman barred from working. infact studies done on protitution in nevada/las vegas etc showed the prozzies there actually knew more about safe sex than the average joe, practised it better and as they knew how to have sex better had an incredibly low breakage rate due to being able to control their bodies better
also routine STD checks would mean infected women would be disbarred from working
danielson said:
thats a good arguement against legalising it
wouldnt government observation allow potentially psychologically unstable people to be 'rooted out'
also wouldnt this have sadly happened whether prostitution were legal or not? from doccy's over here it seems there are legal holes where a woman can work or the polic tolerate it
the thing is the abuse is already happening in the form of the thousands of eastern european women being forced to work as sex slaves to pay off the cost to get them into this country. by reducing their clientele and by allowing the police top focus their limited resources onto these people wont it result in a significant reduction in this ad other types of prostitution
it will also help make gay prostitution safer (from what ive read a uy grabs the rent boy, does whatever he wants with him protection or not/physcially beats him and then 'chooses' whether to pay him or not)
it would be really funny if they did like airmiles on these things though
Danielson , we've agreed on many issues in the past and I do respect your opinion , unlike many others you tend to give valid reaons behind those views. However , I've lived in Germany amongst other countries , and in most cities when I lived there they have a few streets were prostitution is legal a la Amsterdam. I stayed in Aachen for three months , my girlfriend at the time who was a feminazi felt that women should have the right to sell their bodies - ok - but she chose to ignore the obvious:
1. The women who were working there had undeniably STILL been refugees - and worse with MASSIVE drug problems - with train tracks down each arm.
2. Their children - to see them on the street during the day with their mothers in the windows - well it wouldn't just break your heart , it would force you to wake up to reality.
3. Those that were involved in controlling the trade were perhaps coincidentally still organised criminals with sidelines in drugs and other....
4. If as it was in Germany legalized - then presumably the use of prostitutes would be normalized in other words , "Wife wouldn't give me sex , so I went to a pro for an hour" must become a legitimate excuse.
It is correct to state that it is essentially a tolerated crime - God knows why - listen I often say that anyone who is willing to become a prostitute should be willing to be sterilized - the effect on their children present or future is so great. Many women today hate men , in particular prostitutes tend to hate their male children - there is a very strong connection between prostitution and psychopathic tendencies within offspring. If you think that organisations would choose only "rounded , well educated individuals " for this trade , then I think that you are being deliberately naive my friend.
As for male prostitutes , many of them ,particularly in my country (there have been some famous examples) have been victims of tremendous child abuse , often from curiously prostitute mothers - both sets of sex workers need help , not a blind eye from society.
gymtime
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I think there are two different arguements going on here. Mandinka seems to be arguing the morality of prostitution while Daniel-san 
D ) is arguing it's legality. I think those are two very different animals. Secondly, comparing prostitution from one country to the next is hazardous at best due to vast cultural differences.
I think that prostitution should be legalized. History has shown over and over that legislating morality does not work. I think it would free the cops up for more important work.
D ) is arguing it's legality. I think those are two very different animals. Secondly, comparing prostitution from one country to the next is hazardous at best due to vast cultural differences. I think that prostitution should be legalized. History has shown over and over that legislating morality does not work. I think it would free the cops up for more important work.
gymtime said:I think there are two different arguements going on here. Mandinka seems to be arguing the morality of prostitution while Daniel-san
I think that prostitution should be legalized. History has shown over and over that legislating morality does not work. I think it would free the cops up for more important work.
thats true
im trying to find something that might back up my arguement but all i turn up is porn!
I get that all the time....uh...er....by accident of course.
lol
me too....its almost as if im subconciously typing in the word 'porn'
anyhow i've read arguements on the web (though possibly biast) which talk about protitution in australia and nevada. in nevada drug users werent allowed to work, blood tests were manditory, it was all government checked by the looks of it.
the drug users etc were more concentrated in no. in the street hooker scene it turns out. the government supervision of a small no. of brothels would allow girls to work in a safe environment which was being monitored by the government and allow them to crack down on organised crime brothels
also a lot of these brothels didnt have the window deal like in europe and werent near schools, so they could coneivably hide it from any kids.
provided the government really intervened and made all other forms of sex-selling illegal, this would help get rid of the immegrants etc
as for the psychological problems, other professions have high incidences of family problems etc. though admittedly not to the same degree. however im sure a lot of it must stem from a no. of guys some time in her stint as a prostitue roughing her up or genrally man-handling her. legalising it would mean that there would be security on the premises etc, which these girls wouldnt get on the streets for instance.
many of these psychological problems might also be seen in strippers, where a guy has acted the same way in a lap dance etc....a lot of strippers probably hate men but its tolerated (contact stripping in america i believe).
still....your arguement has been enough for me to have some doubts about the whole legalisation thing, and ive never read stuff that has before
me too....its almost as if im subconciously typing in the word 'porn'
anyhow i've read arguements on the web (though possibly biast) which talk about protitution in australia and nevada. in nevada drug users werent allowed to work, blood tests were manditory, it was all government checked by the looks of it.
the drug users etc were more concentrated in no. in the street hooker scene it turns out. the government supervision of a small no. of brothels would allow girls to work in a safe environment which was being monitored by the government and allow them to crack down on organised crime brothels
also a lot of these brothels didnt have the window deal like in europe and werent near schools, so they could coneivably hide it from any kids.
provided the government really intervened and made all other forms of sex-selling illegal, this would help get rid of the immegrants etc
as for the psychological problems, other professions have high incidences of family problems etc. though admittedly not to the same degree. however im sure a lot of it must stem from a no. of guys some time in her stint as a prostitue roughing her up or genrally man-handling her. legalising it would mean that there would be security on the premises etc, which these girls wouldnt get on the streets for instance.
many of these psychological problems might also be seen in strippers, where a guy has acted the same way in a lap dance etc....a lot of strippers probably hate men but its tolerated (contact stripping in america i believe).
still....your arguement has been enough for me to have some doubts about the whole legalisation thing, and ive never read stuff that has before
gymtime
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Well, there's an inherent problem with government-intervention when it comes to something like prostitution. If it becomes a government-run institution, such as liquor sales in some states, and is then flooded by rules and regulations, requirements that "workers" must meet in order to work, you don't solve anything. That just means that those who don't want to follow the rules will still be prostitutes, but they will work illegally, like they always have. Cops will still be wasting there time trying to catch them.
The only way for it to work, IMO, is to make it legal across the board. I doubt we are going to see some radical surge in the amount of prostitution should it ever happen. It's always gone on and always will.
The only way for it to work, IMO, is to make it legal across the board. I doubt we are going to see some radical surge in the amount of prostitution should it ever happen. It's always gone on and always will.
gymtime said:I think there are two different arguements going on here. Mandinka seems to be arguing the morality of prostitution while Daniel-san
I think that prostitution should be legalized. History has shown over and over that legislating morality does not work. I think it would free the cops up for more important work.
I care little for morality - to me this term has been hijacked to define whatever soiciety happens to feel at a certain moment. However I do care about people , and in particular the ability of one individual to affects the lives of others , there can be no more vulnerable members of society than children. I do agree with the last point you raise but you make no effort (nor has anyone else) made an effort to describe a successful model for the legalisation of prostitution. I am only aware of the non-legal version in my own country where as stated earlier , when (I was) a child my Mum would go around to various "families" as part of her work and clothe/feed/wash etc. the poor buggers causing tremendous embarassment to me and me siblings. I also have fairly intimate knowledge of the lives of many of the legalised prostitutes in Germany - it does not take much. What I care about are people , not theoretical "principles". That is to my mind the purpose of laws - to direct society for the greater good of all.
danielson said:lol
me too....its almost as if im subconciously typing in the word 'porn'
anyhow i've read arguements on the web (though possibly biast) which talk about protitution in australia and nevada. in nevada drug users werent allowed to work, blood tests were manditory, it was all government checked by the looks of it.
the drug users etc were more concentrated in no. in the street hooker scene it turns out. the government supervision of a small no. of brothels would allow girls to work in a safe environment which was being monitored by the government and allow them to crack down on organised crime brothels
also a lot of these brothels didnt have the window deal like in europe and werent near schools, so they could coneivably hide it from any kids.
provided the government really intervened and made all other forms of sex-selling illegal, this would help get rid of the immegrants etc
as for the psychological problems, other professions have high incidences of family problems etc. though admittedly not to the same degree. however im sure a lot of it must stem from a no. of guys some time in her stint as a prostitue roughing her up or genrally man-handling her. legalising it would mean that there would be security on the premises etc, which these girls wouldnt get on the streets for instance.
many of these psychological problems might also be seen in strippers, where a guy has acted the same way in a lap dance etc....a lot of strippers probably hate men but its tolerated (contact stripping in america i believe).
still....your arguement has been enough for me to have some doubts about the whole legalisation thing, and ive never read stuff that has before
Whoops , it seems as if I spoke too soon when I said that no-one is making an attempt to describe a system of successful legalisation of prostitution. I do think that taking it off the streets is a dramatic step in the right direction - laying on of creche facilities etc., but the intrinsic knowledge that a child grows up with the knowledge that their mother sold/sells herself must have a dramatic effect upon a child's mind. I know that this is a seperate point , but these are true innocents and their welfare must be put before the willing participants on both sides. I still think that most psychologists and care workers I've taked to would agree that the greater good is served if prostitution (of both sexes) were more firmly stamped out as opposed to the reverse.
The great pity of such a discussion is that so many of us (I include myself) are from middle-class backrounds with decent educations. Our abiity to mingle with these individuals is severely limited. Do you think that a John wishes to hear that his hooker cannot possibly spend too long since she hears her child crying in the backround? Of course not , and society as a collective has moved very much in the manner of subjugating the greater good of the whole in favour of the rights of the individual , which to me is a tremendous shame. So the whole argument boils down to whether the damage commonly inflicted upon society (in particular the children of the service provider but also those of the John and often his wife) is such as to be less than the good served by the circulation of funds/commerce and the wealth distribution into the hands of the service provider. Any thoughts?
littleflex
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I dont think it should be legalized..... It helps spread massive std's and if a guy is that pathetic that he has to pay for it, than he needs help! I'm just saying there are pleny of girls out there that are willing to wrestle in between the sheets wether your going out with them or just one nighters....
littleflex said:
I do not think the std reason is sufficient in itself to prevent legalisation - after all it is between two consenting adults who presumably are aware , rather selfishly of the potential for self-inflicted damage if not for others (although I know of a case of a rugby player's visit to Paris which went wrong because of a particularly vindictive woman).
This is for you Danielson ... obviously Henry Lee's case was an extreme example but there are countless others (as my old schoolmate would confirm).:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial2/lucas/
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Frackal
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It already is legal, it's called dating...however the more efficient form of prostitution that you are referring to is ILLEGAL..
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