Should i stack anything with Test on my first cycle?

[Burning_Inside]

I was wondering if test would rip me up at all.. I'm kinda looking to do 2 things at once here, i want to add msucle and lean out some what too, but i don't know if test alone will do that and I don't know if taking anything else with test would do it either, I'm thinking it is probably a one or the othertype of thing, but I'm no cycle guru, so I'm looking for info on what i should take besides test if anything to drop some fat while adding mass.

 

[ultragainz]

you can add some deca and/or winny...

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Test 400mg weeks 1-8
EQ 400mg weeks 1-8
Winny 50mg/day weeks 3-10

Comid starting a few days into week 11

Something like this should give you some high quality gains while not giving you much bloat. It's also quite simple and straightforward.

 

[primobone]

500mg test per week
400 mg eq per week
.25 mg armidex every day
clomid after

that'll keep u dry and should also produce solid gains . If you dont care about water bloat go with 30mg dbol on top of that

 

[macDbol]

since u already have one androgen in there,throw in an anabolic(deca,eq,winny,primo,anavar)

 

[G-Force]

What test are you planning to use?

 

[Burning_Inside]

well i think im going to be using test cyp.

I'm trying to stay away from adding anythign else into my cycle right now unless i have to to get somewhat cut. I don't want to do any fina or anything right now, i will try deca tho or eq if necessary.

my stats are 24 yrs old, 6'3", 210 lbs, and about 15-18% bodyfat.

 

[G-Force]

Some Winny and an anti-e like a'dex or l'dex would be advisable with Cyp!

 

[BigAndy69]

Cyp + Liquidex would be great. Watch your diet and the fat will disappear.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Some Winny and an anti-e like a'dex or l'dex would be advisable with Cyp!

well, no winny with me for now, im sticking with just test, because i got a slight receding hairline going on and i dont want to aggravate it anymore with winny. I'm gettin propecia for the test, and if i did winny i'd have to spend the money on something else to fight that sort of hairloss too, proscar i think it was or something like that.

by the way, just to reiterate, what all do i need for a cycle of test? I need test, arimidex, propecia, and clomid..right? Missing anything? also, how much of what per day/week?

 

[BigAndy69]

How many cycles have you done and list them in detail.

 

[gwl9dta4]

500mg of just sustanon 250 per week does wonders for me.

 

[Burning_Inside]

none big andy, first cycle like it says in the title of the thread DUUUH!

 

[BigAndy69]

Lol, oops...

so 500-600mg a week + 0.5mg of Liquidex/Arimidex a day including post cycle with the clomid.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Lol, oops...

so 500-600mg a week + 0.5mg of Liquidex/Arimidex a day including post cycle with the clomid.

This will work well. IMHO there is no need for the clomid at the end of the cycle if you will be using this ammount of arimidex throughout the cycle. Just continue the arimidex for about 3-4 weeks after the cycle and you HPTA will recover fully. You must keep the estrogen in check. Clomid anf HCG will get your balls back, but they will only be back as long as you take those drugs in the long run Clomid and HCG prevent a full recovery of the HPTA. They are ok to use if that is all you have access to, but if have arimidex and/or nolvadex then go with those. Your HPTA will make a full recovery faster.

Read the post currently on the board referring to using Nolvadex for testosterone recovery.

 

[manny78]

Cyp 600 mg week 1-10
Deca 300 mg week 1-10

so what about this ?

 

[macDbol]

he said he's useing propecia for the test so forget the deca, throw eq in there, or anavar

 

[G-Force]

well, no winny with me for now, im sticking with just test, because i got a slight receding hairline going on and i dont want to aggravate it anymore with winny. I'm gettin propecia for the test, and if i did winny i'd have to spend the money on something else to fight that sort of hairloss too, proscar i think it was or something like that.

by the way, just to reiterate, what all do i need for a cycle of test? I need test, arimidex, propecia, and clomid..right? Missing anything? also, how much of what per day/week?

Just so you know Bro, Proscar and Propecia are exactly the same thing - 100% Finasteride with one important difference Proscar is marketed as a prostrate med and comes in 5mg tablets whereas Propecia is marketed as a hairloss treatment [and so has the customary mark up associated with these products] and comes in 1mg tablets! A box of Proscar which contains 28 tablets of 5mg is only marginally dearer than the same number of Propecia tabs yet they can be broken into 4 or 5 pieces which will give you enough Finasteride to last you 20 weeks, dosing at 1mg per day! The best treatment against Winny induced hairloss is a topical anti-androgen such as Spironolactone which BTW is very effective and fairly cheap!

 

[Burning_Inside]

thanks for te tipp g force i didnt know they were totally the same, and yeah, that spironolactone is what i meant for treating baldness associated with winny and fina and that stuff.

 

[65_High]

Test will rip you up if assuming you keep it at a moderate dosage and stick to a resonably clean diet. High protein, moderate carbs and moderate fat, of course low on satured fat. From you thread it seems like you are looking mostly for lean body mass and not for the bloated powerlifter look. I don't know your stats or your lifting history so I will recomend a stack based on the info I have.

Weeks 1-8 Test Enanthate 400 mg / week
Weeks 1-8 Deca 200 mg / week
Weeks 1-10 Winny 50 mg / eod
Weeks 11-13 Clomid and Arimidex therapy

I picked the Test. Enan. over Test Cyp. because you will hold more water with Cyp. than you will with Enan. And I would stop the Deca at 8 weeks because it will take around 2 weeks for the Deca to stop kicking in, and I think 10 weeks is a long enough cycle.