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Jim Ouini

Jim Ouini

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Indulge me people. I got a nice bonus from work and decided I'd buy something for myself, something that I want but don't necessarily need.

So I've been thinking of buying a Vulcan Rack II from Ironmind and - here's the biggie - 187kg Training Set from Werksanusa. Even considering the Eleiko Training Set from IM for about the same price. Sure I could get away with a 300lb set from the local sporting goods store, but this is an indulgence type thing :)

Keep in mind I lift primarily at the gym, for some reason that's always been funner for me. Still, If I got something like this I'd probably want to lift at home more. Also, my employer is subsidizing at a swanky club here in Seattle, although I haven't toured the facilities yet I'm sure it'll be a step up from Bally's.

So whaddya think. We have room in the garage. My wife thinks it'll gather dust but I just think it's a cool thing to have. Heck I might even build a platform and I can think of worse ways to spend 3K ;)
 
I wish I could help but I'm having a similar dilemma myself. I've had occasional days when it's been inconvenient or impossible to get to the gym and having a bar and a couple of hundred kilos at home would be handy. When I couple that with the facility of being able to practice things like OH squats it becomes tempting to have some home workout options.

Making a platform and getting some bumper plates would make it convenient to practice Oly lifts without some gym owner waiting for you to drop his precious weights on his even more precious floor.

It's a tough call once the cost gets into the several hundreds especially when you know it's an occasional-use toy but it'll probably last a lifetime. Make sure you get a good-quality bar.
 
Yeah, it's not so much the stuff, like I mentioned I can cobble together a home gym for a few hundred and call it good, for my purposes. It's partly the fact that I'd be buying 'the best' even though I'm just a weekend warrior, and spending 10x the price at that. In fact I'd venture it's like being a short fat white guy who can't shoot or dribble and spends $200 on basketball shoes and an authentic Jordan 23 jersey ;) OTOH, this is my main hobby so why not make an investment, right?

blut wump said:
Make sure you get a good quality bar.
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Yeah I have to check but I assumed both Werksanusa and IM bars are pretty sweet. I'd be anxious to try them, not that they'd but 20lbs on my squat but I wonder if it's true that you'd be 'spoiled for life'.
 
Oh yeah, shipping is like $400! Midwest BB has free shipping here in the US and they have a bumper set for $599. Found a couple other places too that have Eleiko bumpers w/free shipping but they sell them only in pairs so when you add up a set it's almost as much as IM.
 
The bars I keep looking at are rated for 1500 pounds whereas the one that typically comes with the sets I've found are usually only rated for 700 pounds. You don't want the springiness you'd get trying to deadlift 500 on a 700-pound-rated bar or trying to walk out a bendy bar from your squat rack.

I've come close to ordering a couple of times and then seen the cost of shipping. :)
 
The rubber plates sure would be nice to play with when doing the oly lifts. Those metal plates make an aweful lot of noise when dropped :) Go for it man. You can build your own platform real cheap and you are set.

Perp
 
Well, I took the plunge and ordered a weight set of 205Kg with a cheap 20Kg bar and a Powerline squat rack/stand. The bar was almost free with the discounts on the weights for buying a set and I can get higher-rated bar later. A decent spare bar for curling is always handy, right? :rolleyes:

All for a shade over £300 (~$575) which qualified me for a free adjustable stepper that I can use as a box for box-squats.
 
perp69 said:
The rubber plates sure would be nice to play with when doing the oly lifts. Those metal plates make an aweful lot of noise when dropped :) Go for it man. You can build your own platform real cheap and you are set.
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Now that's what I'm talking about Perp :chomp:

The bars I keep looking at are rated for 1500 pounds whereas the one that typically comes with the sets I've found are usually only rated for 700 pounds. You don't want the springiness you'd get trying to deadlift 500 on a 700-pound-rated bar or trying to walk out a bendy bar from your squat rack.
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Yeah those 700lb rated bars just won't cut it ;) And the bumpers should be great for touch 'n go deads.

blut wump said:
Well, I took the plunge and ordered a weight set of 205Kg with a cheap 20Kg bar and a Powerline squat rack/stand. The bar was almost free with the discounts on the weights for buying a set and I can get higher-rated bar later. A decent spare bar for curling is always handy, right?

All for a shade over £300 (~$575) which qualified me for a free adjustable stepper that I can use as a box for box-squats.
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Hope I wasn't a bad influence - what's the squat rack like? Similar to the IM one?
 
Pretty similar squat stand except that the vertical range is slightly different and the Vulcan also lets you vary the width.

Actually your post gave me thought to Google for squat stands and I found a place where I could get all of the above for £3 less than I had been looking at for just the bar and plates. Basically, a free squat stand and free box/stepper. Now I'm agonizing that I didn't get bumper plates but they were way more expensive.
 
You can really go wild with this stuff. Do you have an adjustable bench? I may just get flat one since I hardly ever incline. Not that I wouldn't in the future.

Dynamic Eleiko has an office not too far from me but they only handle the addidas part. The real Eleiko stuff is East Coast. Woulda been sweet if I could just drive down and pick up my stuff.
 
Protobuilder said:
A home gym consisting of a power rack + barbell/bumper set is indispensable if you have any sort of a "busy" life. I couldn't feasibly lift w/out it.

I can't help much b/c you've already looked at midwestbarbell, which was going to be my suggestion. For anyone that cares, a place called Gill is selling ridiculously cheap bumper plates. $75/pair, not including shipping. http://www.gillathletics.com/GillItemView.aspx?FSID=WT2820
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Thanks for the link. You know the difference between top flight training bumpers and the basic black ones? Tolerances or somesuch?
 
I'm really looking forward to this now. I just need to find the most level area of concrete to throw some rubber mats down on and I'm good to go for any exercise not needing a bench.
 
Neither of you considering a full cage? I have to say working out at home is great from a convenience point of view and as you say, you can practise new exercises whenever they take your fancy.
 
Thought about it but it's too pricey - I'd rather spend the money on the weights.

Plus they're kind of big and with the squat stands you can easily break it down and move it around if needed.

You guys are getting me excited about this stuff now. Must...fight...urge...to...click...on...'submit order'
 
I reckoned the same plus I wasn't sure about the width. A power rack that was too narrow would annoy me a lot. Once I get my bar and weights, I can take some measurements and see about stage two. Meanwhile, squat stands will allow me to do just about everything except bench. The bar should be just below mid-thigh on the lowest setting.
 
blut wump said:
I reckoned the same plus I wasn't sure about the width. A power rack that was too narrow would annoy me a lot. Once I get my bar and weights, I can take some measurements and see about stage two. Meanwhile, squat stands will allow me to do just about everything except bench. The bar should be just below mid-thigh on the lowest setting.
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Why did you not get the Eleiko. I need a partner in crime here.
 
Jim Ouini said:
Thought about it but it's too pricey - I'd rather spend the money on the weights.

Plus they're kind of big and with the squat stands you can easily break it down and move it around if needed.

You guys are getting me excited about this stuff now. Must...fight...urge...to...click...on...'submit order'
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Well it's only about $200 more for a really good rack. Then you wouldn't need the gym at all. But if it's a storage issue then I guess there's no way wround it.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
Well it's only about $200 more for a really good rack. Then you wouldn't need the gym at all. But if it's a storage issue then I guess there's no way wround it.
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I'd heard a really good rack could cost around $2000 per implant.

Prices here for a power rack seem to start at around £250 ($475)
 
Guinness5.0 said:
Well it's only about $200 more for a really good rack. Then you wouldn't need the gym at all. But if it's a storage issue then I guess there's no way wround it.
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I remember you had a dream rack somewhere. I saw some of the racks from EliteFTS They look pretty sweet with the band attachments and pullup bar. Probably good for powerbuilder like yourself :)

I can see their point. I only placed my order a few hours ago and I'm already lusting for the 1500 pound bar and some Eleiko plates.
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Cancel order and get Eleiko. If you do I will buy one too.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
Well WTF are you?!?! Two weeks of 15s and you've 'changed your spots'?!
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Hey man I don't want to get too big. Just want to tone up and get ready for summer :biggrin:

Another quote from the link above:

Think simple, as in “lift more today than yesterday,” and you’ll be on the right track...remember what Hall of Fame strength coach Kim Wood says: “Training is intensely personal. It’s not about beating someone else, it’s about challenging and improving yourself.”
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Pullum Sports in the UK has a 182.5kg Eleiko set for £2217 inc VAT (~$4200). And that's just a training set!

For that kind of money, I'd want the gold plated bar.
 
I noticed the bar and will probably get one soon. I want to see how I fare with what I've already ordered first since anything more would put me up a little higher than I wanted to spend today. ;)

I have to learn to stop opening Jim's threads on anything to do with equipement.
 
I'd probably do it, and then you'll always have it. If there were a good gym with bumpers etc in the area, I'd probably blow the money on a trip.....however, the home gym, when done properly is really an awesome investment.
 
Jim Ouini said:
You can really go wild with this stuff. Do you have an adjustable bench? I may just get flat one since I hardly ever incline. Not that I wouldn't in the future.

Dynamic Eleiko has an office not too far from me but they only handle the addidas part. The real Eleiko stuff is East Coast. Woulda been sweet if I could just drive down and pick up my stuff.
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East coast, you say? Where? I'm in NY. :chomp:
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
East coast, you say? Where? I'm in NY. :chomp:
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You're a New Yorker? Never woulda guessed.

Dynamic Eleiko is in Michigan at least their contact is. I guess it's technically Midwest, but over on the West Coast you know how it is ;)
 
BiggT said:
I'd probably do it, and then you'll always have it. If there were a good gym with bumpers etc in the area, I'd probably blow the money on a trip.....however, the home gym, when done properly is really an awesome investment.
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I assume you've lifted with these oly bars? Are they really that great? Something about rotation.

BTW, we just got back from Mexico so the home gym is fair game lol

bignate73 said:
damn you guys...you're going to make me order bumpers!!!
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Have you seen the Yorks on Ironmind's site? Big bloopy things that I guess you can put metal plates inbetween them. :biggrin:
 
Great rotation, diameter is just perfect. It just gives you the ideal conditions to lift under. Depending on the bars/plates you use now, just lifting on one will probably add 20lbs or so to both lifts.

Another plus to having your own stuff is it is accurate progression, in a commercial gym, you could weigh every 45-pound plates they have and get a different number, and you have no way of knowing which plate you used last.

I go to a commercial gym, just joined a new one a couple weeks ago privately owned though, it is really a powerlifting gym (so, much fewer moron stories, lol), I actually train most of my olympic lifts on a Texas Powerbar. A great bar by all means, but not ideal for olympic lifting, does rotate fairly well. There is a little make-shift gym about an hour from me and the guy who runs it has an Eleiko set and it is like Christmas day lifting on that thing, lol. I feel like the jolly green giant with a pint sized bar in my hands from being used to yanking on a TX Powerbar all the time.
 
Jim Ouini said:
You're a New Yorker? Never woulda guessed.

Dynamic Eleiko is in Michigan at least their contact is. I guess it's technically Midwest, but over on the West Coast you know how it is ;)
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I'm a Long Islander. I say shit like "that RAWKS" and "Aww, that's HAWT". :FRlol:

Why wouldn't you have guessed? What do I act like?* :worried:

* - Aside from totally awesome
 
Dammit I gotta get this Eleiko stuff now. I think I'll give IM and Dynamic Eleiko a call tomorrow and go with whoever has cheaper shipping.

Speaking of progression, the sets include the metal disc set from 5 to 0.5 kg, and the Husker collars. How sweet is that.
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
I'm a Long Islander. I say shit like "that RAWKS" and "Aww, that's HAWT". :FRlol:

Why wouldn't you have guessed? What do I act like?* :worried:

* - Aside from totally awesome
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Just funnin' ya AI.
 
It really would be a worthwhile, life-long investment, just so long as it is an investment you can afford to make, I can't see you having any regrets.
 
Are you planning on doing a lot more oly work then, Jim? I can't see the better rotation and snugly fitting plates having much of an effect on the non-oly exercises. I know it's partly (mainly? :)) an indulgence thing, but I'm just curious.
 
To quote one of my favorite movies: 'Just because you're hung like a moose doesn't mean you have to do porn'

Anyway, I'll dabble here and there and I'd love to get better at them but I doubt they'll be my main thing.
 
Jim Ouini said:
To quote one of my favorite movies: 'Just because you're hung like a moose doesn't mean you have to do porn'

Anyway, I'll dabble here and there and I'd love to get better at them but I doubt they'll be my main thing.
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you know I've been told that...or was it hung like a squirrel doesn't mean you can fly? anyways...

OLY lifts are just plain fun, and great conditioning too. I saw that link for the gill plates and seriously wanted to jump on it because yes! its is a pain in the ass to lift and have to gingerly set the weights down because they are metal.

enjoy whatever your purchase is. OLY lifts are fun!
 
bignate73 said:
you know I've been told that...or was it hung like a squirrel doesn't mean you can fly? anyways...
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lol

bignate73 said:
OLY lifts are just plain fun, and great conditioning too. I saw that link for the gill plates and seriously wanted to jump on it because yes! its is a pain in the ass to lift and have to gingerly set the weights down because they are metal.

enjoy whatever your purchase is. OLY lifts are fun!
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Yep I find them fun as well, even if I suck at them. And I was gassed just doing hang cleans with 95lbs :rolleyes:
 
Dynamic Eleiko it is. I am excited.

On a related note, as I went over the grand total, I thought about how much money people spend on those multi-gyms you see at the sporting goods or fitness stores, upwards to 2-3K. Or as mentioned in some other threads recently, supplements and such over the course of a few years. It really adds up and compared to getting the best barbell set around seems very reasonable.

Rationization is a powerful tool ;)
 
Well it finally arrived (It only took a week but FedEx was dicking around the past couple days). Just got done unpacking all the boxes (8 total), this stuff is beautiful. It almost looks too nice to lift with lol. The metal training discs are 5, 2.5, 2, 1 and 0.5 kg and rubber coated I think, pretty sweet. The only sliightly disappointing thing is the collars, which I thought were 2.5kg but instead I got the cheaper plastic training collars. No biggie, though, they still look cool.

I haven't set up my squat rack yet though. After I clear some space in the garage this weekend I'll get everything situated.
 
Jim Ouini said:
Uhhh, no, lol. Unless you mean to hide my huge collection of gardening tools ;)
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Hahaha! I personally enjoy using a mirror to take a look at my form and occasionally flex. Its by no means mandatory but something I would purchase if I was to make a home gym.

That set just looks awesome. One day I will indulge.
 
It seems that my weights were despatched today. I'm going to try to forget about your Eleiko bumper plates.

Are they getting much use or have they become a shrine?
 
My weights arrived today. They glide so smoothly onto the bar that I absolutely must pust collars on. I walked 60Kg out and felt one side going. As I tried to balance it, the other side went. I realised that there was nothing I could do as first one plate slipped off and then the other one went. Ho hum, no damage.

I have 205Kg plus the bar for 225Kg (495 lbs). I guess also spring collars for another 0.5Kg since I must always remember to use them.

I tried doing some cleans but my ankle wasn't happy about it. It wasn't too happy with squats either but I had to do something. :)

In case anyone's wondering, that's one of the stables and the cages were put there as emergency housing for the chickens while we expanded their permanent residence. I need to put some rubber down.


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Snap! Those are exactly the same plates that I got when I got my rack and weights from some guy on ebay (prior to also buying some rubber coated plates). I can't say mine were that smooth on the bar though.

You won't be able to resist going out there every day itching to do something with them. :)
 
How retarded are we that we like looking at another guy's shiny new Eleiko plates? LoL Those make me jealous. I'd love to do some high pulls and just let 'em bounce. LoL
 
blut wump said:
It seems that my weights were despatched today. I'm going to try to forget about your Eleiko bumper plates.

Are they getting much use or have they become a shrine?
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More shrine-like :(

I'll probably start using it more soon. I bought a couple more 25kg bumpers, just to get me up to DL weight if I ever start it again. Plus it was a good deal IMO, $150 for 2

http://www.werksanusa.com/onlinecart/agora.cgi?cart_id=1613011.1622*Ao4P88&xm=on&product=2_TRAINING

blut wump said:
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I like your squat rack. I think I overpaid for mine, but what do you expect from IM. I noticed with mine when I bench I can't fling the bar back because it'll tip the rack backwards.
 
Protobuilder said:
How retarded are we that we like looking at another guy's shiny new Eleiko plates? LoL Those make me jealous. I'd love to do some high pulls and just let 'em bounce. LoL
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lol, I want to front squat and then just dump the bar instead of racking it, like 'I'm done with you', just like in those IM vids :chomp:
 
Jim Ouini said:
More shrine-like :(

I'll probably start using it more soon. I bought a couple more 25kg bumpers, just to get me up to DL weight if I ever start it again. Plus it was a good deal IMO, $150 for 2

http://www.werksanusa.com/onlinecart/agora.cgi?cart_id=1613011.1622*Ao4P88&xm=on&product=2_TRAINING



I like your squat rack. I think I overpaid for mine, but what do you expect from IM. I noticed with mine when I bench I can't fling the bar back because it'll tip the rack backwards.
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I'm already feeling that I should get a bench and power-rack. What, after all, is the point of spending forty minutes driving to travel to a gym when I can do my workouts at home? The only extra equipment I use at the gym is the pull-down pulley and the reverse-hyper thingy. I can start to do chins and do rev.hypers by putting some 2x4s across a power-rack. I guess I'd have to get some Oly DBs too.

I walked out the full 225Kg yesterday. That felt heavy. I didn't even begin to consider trying to squat it but then I'm approaching almost a month of messed-up training now.

The squat stand is sturdy. The only problem is that it isn't securely attached to the ground and so can travel which is why it's up against the wall. Aside from that, I have no complaints with it.

I'm still envious of your Eleikos and have to agree with Proto, we've discoverd a new Internet disease of plate-lust.
 
blut wump said:
I have 205Kg plus the bar for 225Kg (495 lbs). I guess also spring collars for another 0.5Kg since I must always remember to use them.
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I weighed those spring collars at the digital scale at my gym and they were .4lbs each.

In case anyone's wondering, that's one of the stables and the cages were put there as emergency housing for the chickens while we expanded their permanent residence. I need to put some rubber down.

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Ok there Rockey, and next you're going to tell us that that meat hanging in the freezer isn't for punching...
:p
 
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