Should I Do It?

[liftr486]

What was their take on you being reproductive in a low 200 level?

the one doc had me freeze sperm so that if he put me on hrt i would be able to have kids. my sperm levels are low to begin with b/c i have some sort of y-chromosome deficiency.

 

[jcmule]

the one doc had me freeze sperm so that if he put me on hrt i would be able to have kids. my sperm levels are low to begin with b/c i have some sort of y-chromosome deficiency.

I feel like we are in a bad poker situtation here with no outs. Its looks like packing in the test is the only way. I am not a big fan of the cream, tell the doc to shove that sh*t up his A$$. I have seen the patch work well on friends of mine. I can't remember the name off the top of my head. Here is a question, do you ever plan on doing another cycle again? Honestly?

 

[liftr486]

I feel like we are in a bad poker situtation here with no outs. Its looks like packing in the test is the only way. I am not a big fan of the cream, tell the doc to shove that sh*t up his A$$. I have seen the patch work well on friends of mine. I can't remember the name off the top of my head. Here is a question, do you ever plan on doing another cycle again? Honestly?

if im gonna be getting test from the doc id rather get injectables than the patch or gel and if i go on hrt theres no reason in my mind not to do cycles and then after drop down back to my normal hrt maintenance dose

 

[pursuit]

Hey Liftr,

Did you get any other bloodwork done apart from tests levels?

Your LH levels will give good info about where the problem is:
If LH is normal-high (while off clomid and test levels 200s) then you have primary hypogonadism ie your balls aren't working
If LH levels are low (while off the clomid) then you have secondary hypogondism. This can be caused by relatively high estrogen giving the negative feedback to your test production, and can be fixed with AIs. If not caused estrogen, the diagnosis is more difficult, and HRT may be the option.

Really, since your dealing with something that is going to affect the rest of your life, you want a good endo who will take full panel of blood tests and take action.

Test, free test, LH, FSH, estrogen, prolactin especially

 

[liftr486]

Hey Liftr,

Did you get any other bloodwork done apart from tests levels?

Your LH levels will give good info about where the problem is:
If LH is normal-high (while off clomid and test levels 200s) then you have primary hypogonadism ie your balls aren't working
If LH levels are low (while off the clomid) then you have secondary hypogondism. This can be caused by relatively high estrogen giving the negative feedback to your test production, and can be fixed with AIs. If not caused estrogen, the diagnosis is more difficult, and HRT may be the option.

Really, since your dealing with something that is going to affect the rest of your life, you want a good endo who will take full panel of blood tests and take action.

Test, free test, LH, FSH, estrogen, prolactin especially

the doc did run that full battery of tests. from what i remember all my levels (including LH, FSH, and estrogen) were all good/normal and thats y the doc was happy with my 200 level.

 

[xrsist]

for the experenced bros on here.. would a big cycle followed by a really good PCT be of any help to liftr486??

 

[liftr486]

for the experenced bros on here.. would a big cycle followed by a really good PCT be of any help to liftr486??

i think the next time i go on it will be permanately because i dont think i could ever recover to any degree.

 

[pursuit]

the doc did run that full battery of tests. from what i remember all my levels (including LH, FSH, and estrogen) were all good/normal and thats y the doc was happy with my 200 level.

Do you know the actual levels? Your doc saying the other levels were good/normal is quite subjective. If your estrogen levels were even in the middle of the normal range, then (as your test levels are way below range) your estrogen:testosterone ratio is too high and will benefit from an AI.
Even someone with normal levels all round will get a significant increase in testosterone from taking an AI at a reasonable dose, like 200% while cutting estrogen levels by just a third (don't have a study on hand). Of course you don't want to cut estrogen levels too much because that may have as much effect on your sex drive as low test.

Bear it mind that taking an AI is an option long term while taking clomid is not really.

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm 21 and have low test/sperm levels. I have done a few messed up cycles early on and i think i might have fucked myself up. The doc put me on clomid for like 6 months to try and get my levels up. They went up to 600 and then once i stopped it, it dropped down to around 200. they decided to put me on a higher dosage and longer time and i just got my bloods back and they are in the 600s again. im sure my levels will drop once i stop the clomid (i stopped today). im getting another blood test in a month to see where i am.

i'm thinking that if my levels go down again i wanna jump on hrt because i dont think its ever gonna get better and i feel like shit when my levels are anything below 500.

what are your thoughts on this? what should i do?


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[liftr486]

Do you know the actual levels? Your doc saying the other levels were good/normal is quite subjective. If your estrogen levels were even in the middle of the normal range, then (as your test levels are way below range) your estrogen:testosterone ratio is too high and will benefit from an AI.
Even someone with normal levels all round will get a significant increase in testosterone from taking an AI at a reasonable dose, like 200% while cutting estrogen levels by just a third (don't have a study on hand). Of course you don't want to cut estrogen levels too much because that may have as much effect on your sex drive as low test.

Bear it mind that taking an AI is an option long term while taking clomid is not really.

im slowly lowering my clomid dosage this week and next and after next week ill be off totally. the only blood results i have in my hands are while i was taking the clomid so i will have to wait till next month to see exactly where all my levels are.

i do remember tho, asking my doc if arimidex or something similiar would help me and he said i have no need to reduce estrogen so i was assuming it was where it was supposed to be. i guess i jus gotta wait and see.