should gay people be allowed to adopt?

[velvett]

I, for one, have never felt that urged to be homo after two drinks

\\\quotable.

 

[BUBBLES]

That kid has a big belly from too much GH.

And seriously... Do you really think that a functional gay couple should be allowed to raise a child? How can two people in a committed, loving relationship love a child if they're gay?

Sounds like witchcraft to me.

Lets take away the sex factor. Have you ever seen kids raised by a grandmother and her daughter alone because these two women were widows? I have seen it and it happened a lot in war times.

The example may not be quite the same but two people of the same sex can bring up a child.

As for witchcraft, I don't know many gays who believe in it. You do though.....

 

[jnevin]

Lets take away the sex factor. Have you ever seen kids raised by a grandmother and her daughter alone because these two women were widows? I have seen it and it happened a lot in war times.

The example may not be quite the same but two people of the same sex can bring up a child.

As for witchcraft, I don't know many gays who believe in it. You do though.....

Baw! Sweetie, I was joking out of my ayse. I have a drunk, Vietnam Ranger Vet dad, a mom that still thinks the perfect, rich guy is out there, and basically have had to raise my brother and myself. I'd have given anything in my youth to have had the most of my worries be how the neighbors cared about how my moms or dads were raising me.

 

[BUBBLES]

Baw! Sweetie, I was joking out of my ayse. I have a drunk, Vietnam Ranger Vet dad, a mom that still thinks the perfect, rich guy is out there, and basically have had to raise my brother and myself. I'd have given anything in my youth to have had the most of my worries be how the neighbors cared about how my moms or dads were raising me.

I had a feeling you were not serious butthead

 

[BrothaBill]

I had a feeling you were not serious butthead

none of us are I hope

 

[biteme]

No. Unless there is no other alternative.

 

[stilleto]

none of us are I hope

well i was, but i knew you weren't.

 

[-SD-]

What if the child being brought up has a grandmother or grandfather as a role model?

If a grandmother and a grandfather adopt take in their offspring's children, as often happens if the parents are worthless, then that is totally ok since it is still a male/female parenting scenario.

 

[-SD-]

I was a single mother for some time too, but superdave (which I agree with his statement to a point) said that a child needs both parents to have a female and male perspective. I was just wondering, if he thought, that if a child was brought up by a single parent but the child had the male or female perspective of a grandparent if it would be similar to a mother and father.

Better than strictly a single parent upbringing but not near as good as a married male/female parenting situation.

 

[unclecharlie]

no

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Have you SEEN the kind of parents that are out there? LOL. Nothing wrong with gays adopting as long as the kid has a happy, healthy, stimulating, home.

 

[Oceano]

Nah no way. Imagine the conversation at school:

Jimmy - What does you Dad do?

Johnny - My Dad's a doctor

Jimmy - Yeah? my dad's a dentist. How about you

Walter - My Dad's a fag and my other Dad's a fag too. I hate life! *hangs head in shame*

 

[bluepeter]

Better than strictly a single parent upbringing but not near as good as a married male/female parenting situation.

Got any studies or stats to suport that claim?

 

[bluepeter]

Some seriously close-minded responses. Wow.

 

[Oceano]

Got any studies or stats to suport that claim?

How about the Evolution of society?

thats a pretty good reference.

 

[pintoca]

in my opinion i'd say no. it'll mess up the child's mind.

I thought you were banned

oh wait

you are

(ooops. my bad)

 

[ksharp01]

this tread is old but I think that you can have same sex parents raise a happy family. Can it be worst than having just one parent. My main concern would only be that the child is loved and provided for.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Nah no way. Imagine the conversation at school:

Jimmy - What does you Dad do?

Johnny - My Dad's a doctor

Jimmy - Yeah? my dad's a dentist. How about you

Walter - My Dad's a fag and my other Dad's a fag too. I hate life! *hangs head in shame*

What about this:

Jimmy: What does your daddy do?

Johnny: He's in jail because he hurt mommy so I don't know

Jimmy: Yeah I don't have a mommy because dadday said she got sent away because she was using things that were hurting her

*hangs head in shame and both walk away*

I mean come on... (no offense).

 

[Oceano]

What about this:

Jimmy: What does your daddy do?

Johnny: He's in jail because he hurt mommy so I don't know

Jimmy: Yeah I don't have a mommy because dadday said she got sent away because she was using things that were hurting her

*hangs head in shame and both walk away*

I mean come on... (no offense).

Ask any guy out there, they'll tell you they'd rather be brought up by one parent than a pair of queer dudes pretending to be women.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Ask any guy out there, they'll tell you they'd rather be brought up by one parent than a pair of queer dudes pretending to be women.

That's because that is all "that guy you are asking," knows of - meaning he has already grown up. If he was raised in a happy, healthy home by two gay people, I'm sure he'd grow up and tell you he is just as fine as anyone else.

 

[Oceano]

That's because that is all "that guy you are asking," knows of - meaning he has already grown up. If he was raised in a happy, healthy home by two gay people, I'm sure he'd grow up and tell you he is just as fine as anyone else.

I don't know. He'll be wonderin where in fk his mom is?

I'd get the bch for leavin me wid 2 gay dudes.

Just imagine the amount of shit he'd get at school and on the street.

 

[bluepeter]

How about the Evolution of society?

thats a pretty good reference.

OK, I'll play into your obvious homophobia. In what way?

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

I don't know. He'll be wonderin where in fk his mom is?

I'd get the bch for leavin me wid 2 gay dudes.

Just imagine the amount of shit he'd get at school and on the street.

A lot of kids don't have moms and wonder where they are, too. And not because their parents are gay.

 

[Oceano]

OK, I'll play into your obvious homophobia. In what way?

Well I'd say the human society has evolved fairly successfully on the basis of the male/female upbringing for children. ITs ingrained in our psyche prolly much deeper than you could ever imagine.

To go against that could potentially be really damaging for a child and perhaps even dangerous as he grows older.

I don't think I'd have a problem with 2 women raising a child, but not two dudes. no chance.

 

[Oceano]

A lot of kids don't have moms and wonder where they are, too. And not because their parents are gay.

Are your parents gay?

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Are your parents gay?

Nope. Just remember reading about this in some research.

My mom is Michele and my dad is Michael. And have step parents, too. hehe.

 

[Oceano]

Nope. Just remember reading about this in some research.

My mom is Michele and my dad is Michael. And have step parents, too. hehe.

Are your step-parents gay?

 

[bluepeter]

Well I'd say the human society has evolved fairly successfully on the basis of the male/female upbringing for children. ITs ingrained in our psyche prolly much deeper than you could ever imagine.

To go against that could potentially be really damaging for a child and perhaps even dangerous as he grows older.

I don't think I'd have a problem with 2 women raising a child, but not two dudes. no chance.

lmao

Talk about destroying your own credibility. You'd have no problem with 2 women but not 2 men.

Anyway, post up some corroborating evidence of your claims.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Are your step-parents gay?

Please don't tell me you just asked this question... if they are my STEP parents and my REAL parents are NOT gay...

Well - you answer it.

*I smell a little homophobia*

 

[Oceano]

lmao

Talk about destroying your own credibility. You'd have no problem with 2 women but not 2 men.

Anyway, post up some corroborating evidence of your claims.

How about the thousands of years women have spent looking after children?

Coutner that with the thousands of years men have spent abusing them in various societies and in various ways.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

How about the thousands of years women have spent looking after children?

Coutner that with the thousands of years men have spent abusing them in various societies and in various ways.

Inaccurate. You just HEAR about the men abusing the women.

 

[Oceano]

Please don't tell me you just asked this question... if they are my STEP parents and my REAL parents are NOT gay...

Well - you answer it.

*I smell a little homophobia*

I don't know about step parents, I don't come from a broken home.

homophobic, nah you're heterophobic
staring at my jeans watchin my genitals bulgin
thats my muthafkin ballz u better let go them
they belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of them

 

[Oceano]

Inaccurate. You just HEAR about the men abusing the women.

I think over the centuries if women were doing bad things, men would be pretty quick to complain about it. don't you?

The fact is, women have evolved looking after children and they're good/better at it. They're more empathetic etc.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

I don't know about step parents, I don't come from a broken home.

homophobic, nah you're heterophobic
staring at my jeans watchin my genitals bulgin
thats my muthafkin ballz u better let go them
they belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of them

Ok. Wow. LOL. Broken home doesn't necessarily mean "divorced parents." I feel very healthy and thankful that I have what I have and both my parents are very much in my life and they can speak to one another normally and without hatred towards one another.

It sounds like you in your non broken home, wasn't given the opportunity to open your mind a bit more. Just saying...

 

[bluepeter]

How about the thousands of years women have spent looking after children?

Coutner that with the thousands of years men have spent abusing them in various societies and in various ways.

Sure and no woman has ever abused a child. Regardless, how is that corroborating evidence of your claim that growing up in a home with two loving males is damaging to a child? Right, it isn't.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

I think over the centuries if women were doing bad things, men would be pretty quick to complain about it. don't you?

The fact is, women have evolved looking after children and they're good/better at it. They're more empathetic etc.

I honestly cannot believe I am hearing this. This is not accurate - in fact, often times men who are abused by women feel a stigma, feel embarassed by it, and do not report it or do anything about it. Research that a bit and you'll see what I'm talking about.

*Waiting for dads to chime in*

 

[Oceano]

Ok. Wow. LOL. Broken home doesn't necessarily mean "divorced parents."

Hmm, technically it does.

It sounds like you in your non broken home, wasn't given the opportunity to open your mind a bit more. Just saying...

My mind is open. I have no problem with gay women bringing up children, just not gay men.

 

[ksharp01]

this tread is old but I think that you can have same sex parents raise a happy family. Can it be worst than having just one parent. My main concern would only be that the child is loved and provided for.

my answer is still best.


really though I wasn't sure how this would work out either but I saw a special like on dateline and they showed several gay couples and their kids...and it really seemed pretty normal.
This isn't a perfect world and even when you find couples that are still together----even the best of them have their own problems. If having 2 moms or 2 dads is all I had to of worried about growing up, things could of been better for me. My mom struggled very hard to raise 2 kids and barely had $ to feed us.

 

[Oceano]

I honestly cannot believe I am hearing this. This is not accurate - in fact, often times men who are abused by women feel a stigma, feel embarassed by it, and do not report it or do anything about it. Research that a bit and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Listen, you don't see female animals abusing their young. Its the mothers who care for their young. Fathers are hunting etc.

 

[jestro]

I honestly cannot believe I am hearing this. This is not accurate - in fact, often times men who are abused by women feel a stigma, feel embarassed by it, and do not report it or do anything about it. Research that a bit and you'll see what I'm talking about.

*Waiting for dads to chime in*

I'm a single dad, I've raised my daughter by myself for the last 8 years, since she was 4.
Not to sound immodest, but I am a better parent than 95% of america, 2 parent households included.

 

[ksharp01]

one more thing....it shouldn't matter what someone does in the bedroom. That isn't what makes you a good parent. I don't know if your born gay or choose it/well, it doesn't matter really they are still just people..you can't even point out most gay people on they street. If they want a family and can provide for and give love to children...I say why not?

 

[Oceano]

Sure and no woman has ever abused a child. Regardless, how is that corroborating evidence of your claim that growing up in a home with two loving males is damaging to a child? Right, it isn't.

How can you say without evidence that it isn't?

At least I have thousands of years worth of evidence to back the male/female upbringing. For one, it has brought us to where we are today.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Listen, you don't see female animals abusing their young. Its the mothers who care for their young. Fathers are hunting etc.

Go watch March of the penguin. Certain insects eat their babies after hatching..

There are many animals that do this.

This has nothing to do with gay parenting anyway. My dad is just as loving as my mother and both my parents work. I don't get where you're going...

 

[Oceano]

I'm a single dad, I've raised my daughter by myself for the last 8 years, since she was 4.
Not to sound immodest, but I am a better parent than 95% of america, 2 parent households included.

I believe that and thats cool. But how would like another Dad with you and to sleep in bed with him and have him as another father to your daughter?

 

[Oceano]

Go watch March of the penguin. Certain insects eat their babies after hatching..

There are many animals that do this.

This has nothing to do with gay parenting anyway. My dad is just as loving as my mother and both my parents work. I don't get where you're going...

Since when is an insect an animal?

Of course it has to do with gay parenting. We are animals at our core. Thats why I find your avatar attractive. rarrrrrrrrr!

March of the Penguin wtf? what ish u be watchin?

 

[Dial_tone]

in my opinion i'd say no. it'll mess up the child's mind.

straight people raised you so....

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

I believe that and thats cool. But how would like another Dad with you and to sleep in bed with him and have him as another father to your daughter?

You're asking me to place myself in an unrealistic position because I am a woman, not a man. So I cannot tell you how I would feel in another's shoes. And if that's all I was raised from, then I wouldn't care - I'd just want my home to be happy, healthy, and safe.

 

[jestro]

I believe that and thats cool. But how would like another Dad with you and to sleep in bed with him and have him as another father to your daughter?

Wouldn't like that at all.
But I think 2 gay dudes have as much chance of being good parents as a straight couple. Parenting skills has nothing to do with sexuality.

 

[Oceano]

straight people raised you so....

yeh man!! curse those damn straight people!!! scum!!

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Wouldn't like that at all.
But I think 2 gay dudes have as much chance of being good parents as a straight couple. Parenting skills has nothing to do with sexuality.

Exactly. Now ask me if I would want to be a child and have the stigma attached and have to deal with kids in school and all that... different story.

But as for parenting. You are right on the mark.

 

[Oceano]

Wouldn't like that at all.
But I think 2 gay dudes have as much chance of being good parents as a straight couple. Parenting skills has nothing to do with sexuality.

No but it has to do with normality and fitting into society. Moreover, I know you feel you've done a great job with your kid. But I feel that women are better carers for children than men. Not every women but the vast majority of women.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Since when is an insect an animal?

Of course it has to do with gay parenting. We are animals at our core. Thats why I find your avatar attractive. rarrrrrrrrr!

March of the Penguin wtf? what ish u be watchin?

Who cares if animals aren't insects. I am giving examples of FEMALES who aren't "loving," or who take on the "father," role that you claim.

The reason I say see March of the Penguins is because you will see these animals and how the parenting works. The fathers end up watching the baby and the mom leaves to go hunt... and it's a great movie anyway.

 

[jestro]

No but it has to do with normality and fitting into society. Moreover, I know you feel you've done a great job with your kid. But I feel that women are better carers for children than men. Not every women but the vast majority of women.

Don't believe that for a second. Just as many fucked up mothers out there as fucked up fathers.

 

[Oceano]

Don't believe that for a second. Just as many fucked up mothers out there as fucked up fathers.

Yeah, but where the fathers aren't fkd up (i.e. a normal family), mothers are generally closer to their children.

Children have a really bond with their mothers. (altho i accept father daughter relationships can be strong)

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Yeah, but where the fathers aren't fkd up (i.e. a normal family), mothers are generally closer to their children.

Children have a really bond with their mothers. (altho i accept father daughter relationships can be strong)

You changed the subject. Even if your preposition was true, in this case (if it were two men) the children would have no choice but to bond strongly with the dads because there is no mother (in your terms).

 

[jnevin]

Yeah, but where the fathers aren't fkd up (i.e. a normal family), mothers are generally closer to their children.

Children have a really bond with their mothers. (altho i accept father daughter relationships can be strong)

Yeah. Lemme tell ya how close I am to my mom having had her wake my brother and I up every night for a few years by beating us. Beutiful bond there.

 

[Oceano]

You changed the subject. Even if your preposition was true, in this case (if it were two men) the children would have no choice but to bond strongly with the dads because there is no mother (in your terms).

How have I changed the subject? I was responding to someone elses post.

My point was mothers are closer to their children than fathers. Ffs they carry them 4 nine months and breastfeed em!!

And no, its not a choice. Women can relate to children in a way that men can't. Women have empathy and patience and this is crucial when working with children. That is, a women can bond with a child in a way that a man simply isn't capable of doing.

 

[Oceano]

Yeah. Lemme tell ya how close I am to my mom having had her wake my brother and I up every night for a few years by beating us. Beutiful bond there.

Because an exception disproves the rule?

 

[Oceano]

Who cares if animals aren't insects. I am giving examples of FEMALES who aren't "loving," or who take on the "father," role that you claim..

Yeah, humans don't have much in common with insects (most of them that is)

The reason I say see March of the Penguins is because you will see these animals and how the parenting works. The fathers end up watching the baby and the mom leaves to go hunt... and it's a great movie anyway.

yeah...

 

[jestro]

How have I changed the subject? I was responding to someone elses post.

My point was mothers are closer to their children than fathers. Ffs they carry them 4 nine months and breastfeed em!!

And no, its not a choice. Women can relate to children in a way that men can't. Women have empathy and patience and this is crucial when working with children. That is, a women can bond with a child in a way that a man simply isn't capable of doing.

Might have been true in your case, and on the hallmark chanel. If you ever get out in the real world you might start to see.

 

[musclemom]

Yes.

Gay ain't "catching" and gay people are just as crazy and screwed up as heteros.

As for screwing the kids brains up well, working under THAT assumption, "normal" straight parents would NEVER have gay kids.

 

[Oceano]

As for screwing the kids brains up well, working under THAT assumption, "normal" straight parents would NEVER have gay kids.

You think being gay = screwed up?


I was more alluding to the effect that resentment/frustration/detatchment/social exclusion/teasing would have upon the kid.

As well as missing out on that crucial bond with its mother.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

How have I changed the subject? I was responding to someone elses post.

My point was mothers are closer to their children than fathers. Ffs they carry them 4 nine months and breastfeed em!!

And no, its not a choice. Women can relate to children in a way that men can't. Women have empathy and patience and this is crucial when working with children. That is, a women can bond with a child in a way that a man simply isn't capable of doing.

Couldn't be more off... some mom's have this but you are totally generalizing that dad's cannot. Inaccurate.

 

[Oceano]

Couldn't be more off... some mom's have this but you are totally generalizing that dad's cannot. Inaccurate.

So I'm totally generalising that women have qualities that men do not?

Because the differences are most apparent in their attitude, relationships and interaction with children. Ask heatherrae.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

So I'm totally generalising that women have qualities that men do not?

Because the differences are most apparent in their attitude, relationships and interaction with children. Ask heatherrae.

Nothing against HR, she's knows I her but this is why I am not going to continue. Your evidence is based on a few mom's you know..

 

[bluepeter]

How can you say without evidence that it isn't?

At least I have thousands of years worth of evidence to back the male/female upbringing. For one, it has brought us to where we are today.

Actually, there is plenty of evidence that being raised by a gay parent does not harm the child in any way. As soon as you post up the evidence to back up your claims that I've asked you for 3 times, I'll post some up.

 

[youngguns]

Definitely NOT.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Actually, there is plenty of evidence that being raised by a gay parent does not harm the child in any way. As soon as you post up the evidence to back up your claims that I've asked you for 3 times, I'll post some up.

I have access to professional journals (it's a psychology database) that actually talks about this. The harm of children is not based on whether or not the parents are homo/heterosexual - but I cannot post the link because it doesn't allow me to. You have to be a member at the school to access the database. Grrr... lol.

 

[Oceano]

Nothing against HR, she's knows I her but this is why I am not going to continue. Your evidence is based on a few mom's you know..

Don't be scared of Heatherrae, she's cool, she can debate. I mean I know theres a competition for the hottest female on the C&C board, but i'm sure you can put that to one side.

The bond between mother and child is one of the strongest in nature. Countless studies and centuries of research show that maternal influence has an indelible, far-reaching impact on a child's development. Even as adults, we are generally happier and more secure in life if we continue to maintain a strong bond with our mothers.

Are you closer to your mother or father IP?

 

[Oceano]

Definitely NOT.

LOL.

 

[Dial_tone]

The only issue is the creation of false 'subgroup' of people similar to that of racial differences but only based on 'sexuality'. Defining who they are by their sexual preference, I have met many Gay people who would make excellent fathers, (the lesbians = meh). So gay guy couples, yes. Gay women are usually insane in the membrane so no. Lets just split the baby in half as Solomon would say.

btw, could I get a namechange to Solomon, I like it

I know a very well-educated and well-off Lesbian couple that I am positive would make excellent parents.

 

[Oceano]

I have access to professional journals (it's a psychology database) that actually talks about this. The harm of children is not based on whether or not the parents are homo/heterosexual - but I cannot post the link because it doesn't allow me to. You have to be a member at the school to access the database. Grrr... lol.

There are a lot of things that psychological experiments fail to pick up. After all they're man made.

Personalities and levels of emotional security can be influenced on such subtle levels.

I love psycological research, but I wouldn't put all my faith in it. Like all humans, it is flawed in at least some respects when they try to do things.

Nature on the other hand is not. Everything is natural. Just as a mother being with a child is.

 

[youngguns]

This might sound wrong, but two dads= too many dads, two moms=too many moms.
It's not right, being gay just isn't right.

Humans=Animals
Animals ONLY reason to live is REPRODUCTION.

End of story. If you want to be called a human, act like one.












Ps. Im gay.

 

[musclemom]

You think being gay = screwed up?


I was more alluding to the effect that resentment/frustration/detatchment/social exclusion/teasing would have upon the kid.

As well as missing out on that crucial bond with its mother.

Someone on page one used the term "screwed up."

Anyway, WTF are you talking about? Maternal bond. Horseshit, I squirted a kid out, doesn't mean shit. I took care of him because I had to take care of him, he was my responsibility. Once they're off the tit they don't care who it is, as long as they have a dependable reliable adult, and bottles suffice for boobs quite nicely. After about age 13/14 a normal boy can't STAND being around his mother, anyway, and kids want more than anything to play with other KIDS. Down the road girls need a female more, but in most gay male relationships one of them is always way girlier anyway.

Physical contact in infancy doesn't matter who babies get that from, as long as they're held and cuddled and get interaction.

Operating on your assumptions all the kids raised by stay at home dads are screwed up in some critical way, missing some maternal bond pffftt

The only important bond is consistency and love. Kids need dependability, reliability, consistency. You give that to them, they're fine.

 

[Oceano]

Someone on page one used the term "screwed up."

Anyway, WTF are you talking about? Maternal bond. Horseshit, I squirted a kid out, doesn't mean shit. I took care of him because I had to take care of him, he was my responsibility. Once they're off the tit they don't care who it is, as long as they have a dependable reliable adult, and bottles suffice for boobs quite nicely. After about age 13/14 a normal boy can't STAND being around his mother, anyway, and kids want more than anything to play with other KIDS. Down the road girls need a female more, but in most gay male relationships one of them is always way girlier anyway.

Physical contact in infancy doesn't matter who babies get that from, as long as they're held and cuddled and get interaction.

Operating on your assumptions all the kids raised by stay at home dads are screwed up in some critical way, missing some maternal bond pffftt

The only important bond is consistency and love. Kids need dependability, reliability, consistency. You give that to them, they're fine.

Wow, someones on the roids

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Don't be scared of Heatherrae, she's cool, she can debate. I mean I know theres a competition for the hottest female on the C&C board, but i'm sure you can put that to one side.

The bond between mother and child is one of the strongest in nature. Countless studies and centuries of research show that maternal influence has an indelible, far-reaching impact on a child's development. Even as adults, we are generally happier and more secure in life if we continue to maintain a strong bond with our mothers.

Are you closer to your mother or father IP?

There is a difference in what you're talking about. A bond, sure - it's for survival but as for RAISING a child - you are off. You are twisting things and talking about 2 different things here. Of course a mothers bond has to be strong so she can breast feed, care for, etc - but a dad has a bond, too. A VERY strong bond and many dads will tell you this.

As for raising a child in a happy, healthy, safe, home - has nothing to do with a bond that you think a mother has over a father.

P.S. i am EXTREMELY close to both my parents. And my dad would tell you that you couldn't be more off.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

There are a lot of things that psychological experiments fail to pick up. After all they're man made.

Personalities and levels of emotional security can be influenced on such subtle levels.

I love psycological research, but I wouldn't put all my faith in it. Like all humans, it is flawed in at least some respects when they try to do things.

Nature on the other hand is not. Everything is natural. Just as a mother being with a child is.

Psychologists don't put all their faith in research either. But you just told me that you claim "history and centuries of research have proven the bond between a mother and child...yada yada."

That's why there's a margin of error - believe me - nothing is 100%. But these studies are conducted in homes of both homo/heterosexual parents.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Someone on page one used the term "screwed up."

Anyway, WTF are you talking about? Maternal bond. Horseshit, I squirted a kid out, doesn't mean shit. I took care of him because I had to take care of him, he was my responsibility. Once they're off the tit they don't care who it is, as long as they have a dependable reliable adult, and bottles suffice for boobs quite nicely. After about age 13/14 a normal boy can't STAND being around his mother, anyway, and kids want more than anything to play with other KIDS. Down the road girls need a female more, but in most gay male relationships one of them is always way girlier anyway.

Physical contact in infancy doesn't matter who babies get that from, as long as they're held and cuddled and get interaction.

Operating on your assumptions all the kids raised by stay at home dads are screwed up in some critical way, missing some maternal bond pffftt

The only important bond is consistency and love. Kids need dependability, reliability, consistency. You give that to them, they're fine.

Agreed. 100%.

 

[Oceano]

There is a difference in what you're talking about. A bond, sure - it's for survival but as for RAISING a child - you are off..

Healthy child = healthy adult. A maternal bond is crucial to this.

You are twisting things and talking about 2 different things here. Of course a mothers bond has to be strong so she can breast feed, care for, etc - but a dad has a bond, too. A VERY strong bond and many dads will tell you this.

The bond between mother and child is stronger than that between father and child imho. Once the child grows older it can relate to the father much better.

As for raising a child in a happy, healthy, safe, home - has nothing to do with a bond that you think a mother has over a father..

You can't say that with any degree of certainty. The bond a child has with its mother is pervasive and literally immeasurable. Studies only chip at the edges

P.S. i am EXTREMELY close to both my parents. And my dad would tell you that you couldn't be more off.

Isn't your Dad jewish? is for the gay parents thing?

 

[Oceano]

Psychologists don't put all their faith in research either. But you just told me that you claim "history and centuries of research have proven the bond between a mother and child...yada yada.".

I copied and pasted that from a website. Don';t remember the yada yada bit.

That's why there's a margin of error - believe me - nothing is 100%. But these studies are conducted in homes of both homo/heterosexual parents.

studies smuddies.

 

[musclemom]

Wow, someones on the roids

If I didn't know you were incredibly sarcastic I would be somewhat annoyed with you

I am not what one would consider a "girlie-girl" when I was a kid I would have been termed a tomboy. I'm straight, but I have a LOT of gay friends and believe me, I've met TONS of gay men who were way girlier than I am.

 

[Oceano]

If I didn't know you were incredibly sarcastic I would be somewhat annoyed with you

I am not what one would consider a "girlie-girl" when I was a kid I would have been termed a tomboy. I'm straight, but I have a LOT of gay friends and believe me, I've met TONS of gay men who were way girlier than I am.

chill, I'm just fkin wid ya i all you moms, we got a special bond together.

Those gay dudes are just pretendin to be girly. Don't buy their act yo!

 

[musclemom]

chill, I'm just fkin wid ya i all you moms, we got a special bond together.

Those gay dudes are just pretendin to be girly. Don't buy their act yo!

Dude, I know what I'm like. I know what they're like. I've been to their homes, I know how I live.

Trust me, they're girlier, WAY girlier.

I'll give you a quick example, last time I was at a gay couple's house, they have candles in their bathroom, everything matches, the home is nicely decorated. Compared to me, I don't have a ceiling in my living room, the only rooms that have paint on the walls are the bedrooms, I only just got curtains a few months ago ... it was my idea to turn the dining room over to the cardio equipment and that's not counting the full weight setup in the basement. At this moment I own six pairs of shoes: 3 pr sneakers, 2 pr dress shoes, one heels, one flat, both black, and one pair of sandles. My husband has more pairs of shoes than I do.

I'm just much better at being a guy. I have no idea why I chose to incarnate as a girl this lifetime.

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

Healthy child = healthy adult. A maternal bond is crucial to this.



The bond between mother and child is stronger than that between father and child imho. Once the child grows older it can relate to the father much better.



You can't say that with any degree of certainty. The bond a child has with its mother is pervasive and literally immeasurable. Studies only chip at the edges




Isn't your Dad jewish? is for the gay parents thing?

What does being Jewish have to do with this?

 

[Oceano]

Dude, I know what I'm like. I know what they're like. I've been to their homes, I know how I live.

Trust me, they're girlier, WAY girlier.

I'll give you a quick example, last time I was at a gay couple's house, they have candles in their bathroom, everything matches, the home is nicely decorated. Compared to me, I don't have a ceiling in my living room, the only rooms that have paint on the walls are the bedrooms, I only just got curtains a few months ago ... it was my idea to turn the dining room over to the cardio equipment and that's not counting the full weight setup in the basement. At this moment I own six pairs of shoes: 3 pr sneakers, 2 pr dress shoes, one heels, one flat, both black, and one pair of sandles. My husband has more pairs of shoes than I do.

I'm just much better at being a guy. I have no idea why I chose to incarnate as a girl this lifetime.

Different people like doing different stuff. I wouldn't read that much into it. I'm sure you're girly in other ways.

On the gay thing tho, I know these gay dudes who act all girly but when they go home to their parents, apparently they're like normal dudes - the whole act is dropped.

 

[musclemom]

Different people like doing different stuff. I wouldn't read that much into it. I'm sure you're girly in other ways.

On the gay thing tho, I know these gay dudes who act all girly but when they go home to their parents, apparently they're like normal dudes - the whole act is dropped.

Well, I like cats and I never fart around my husband, other than that? I'm pretty rough around the edges.

As for dropping the gay act when they get around their parents ... shit, what they're doing is putting on a STRAIGHT act, even guys who are out will still butch it up just to avoid seeing the disappointment in their parent's eyes

 

[cindylou]

^ thats sad.

I could not imagine what it would be like (if I was a lesbian) and had to tell my parents or grandparents.

What a hard thing to do ; and a tough thing when your parents are dissapointed in who you have become ; when all you are doing is trying to be yourself.

 

[Phaded]

uh no

 

[Sub-Zero]

this is a repost, both what im going to say, and the entire thread, but:



i have nothing against homsexuality, but too many people do have a problem with it for it to be appropriate or fair for gay couples to adopt.

would make growing up for the kid suck with all the bullying that would come from it.

give it a generation or 2 more and things will be good

 

[SpyWizard]

should pedophiles?? I mean there are groups of people that believe sex after 8 is too late...

Isn't it just a life choice?? or maybe they can't help it.. it's the way they were born..

just stirring the pot, giving a different view point..

and no is my opinion... be careful how you answer this question.. can you see the 2nd follow up question??

People have the right to raise their children anyway they want..

case in point.. fat kids.. i believe that is child abuse..
teaching hate to children that is child abuse (this is a whole can of worms)

it goes on and on..

 

[SpyWizard]

what the hell.. did i kill another thread.???

crap...

 

[Oceano]

What does being Jewish have to do with this?

morality? difference between right and wrong? upholding tried and tested values?

Imo people didn't spend time writing these books (Bible etc) just for fun. I think there was some real intelligence behind what they were saying and in no way would male homosecksual parents have been on the radar.

 

[bluepeter]

should pedophiles?? I mean there are groups of people that believe sex after 8 is too late...

Isn't it just a life choice?? or maybe they can't help it.. it's the way they were born..

just stirring the pot, giving a different view point..

and no is my opinion... be careful how you answer this question.. can you see the 2nd follow up question??

People have the right to raise their children anyway they want..

case in point.. fat kids.. i believe that is child abuse..
teaching hate to children that is child abuse (this is a whole can of worms)

it goes on and on..

Did you seriously just compare pedophiles to gays?

 

[InquisitivePsyche]

morality? difference between right and wrong? upholding tried and tested values?

Imo people didn't spend time writing these books (Bible etc) just for fun. I think there was some real intelligence behind what they were saying and in no way would male homosecksual parents have been on the radar.

One thing you have to remember about the Hebrew Bible (which is something many forget) is that it was all written in CONTEXT for the place/time those people were, in history. People who take words literally are not being accurate because words meant different things back in that time. You must remember that the book was a product written by multiple authors spanning thousands of years...

 

[heatherrae]

I have no problem with same sex couples adopting babies.

Giving babies a loving home is never a bad thing.

 

[SpyWizard]

Did you seriously just compare pedophiles to gays?

It's an old argument, not meant to support either group.. read it again..

 

[bluepeter]

It's an old argument, not meant to support either group.. read it again..

Once is enough. I don't care what you're stirring or trying to get across. Your first sentence compares pedophiles to gays. You're right about one thing however, I have unfortunately heard that tripe before.

 

[SpyWizard]

Once is enough. I don't care what you're stirring or trying to get across. Your first sentence compares pedophiles to gays. You're right about one thing however, I have unfortunately heard that tripe before.

tripe?? as in not worth considering as true?? or tripe as in not willing to consider the social ramifications of allowing any activity that one chooses to do as not having impact on socially acceptable behaviors in the modern age??

either way..

 

[b0und]

When I was growing up I wished nearly every day I would be given up for adoption. My parents simply didn't want to have kids, anybody who adopts at least wants to have children and look after them, huge difference already.

I don't think I could care less if my adoptive parents were two gay men or two lesbian women as long as they treated me right.

Just crazed religious peeps would be a worry:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/04/20/1176697035733.html?from=top5

And comparing gay people to pedophiles is irrational, gays have consensual sex between two adults, pedos rape little kiddies - most pedos are straight men.


b0und (2 cents)

 

[musclemom]

tripe?? as in not worth considering as true?? or tripe as in not willing to consider the social ramifications of allowing any activity that one chooses to do as not having impact on socially acceptable behaviors in the modern age??

either way..

I normally like what you have to say, Spy, but I gotta go with Peter here. Comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is just not an appropriate comparison. It's like comparing an NFL linebacker to a female ice skater. They're both athletes, THAT's IT. Gays and pedophiles are people who, as a group, are identified by their sexual behavior, THAT's IT.

Gay people engage in sexual behavior between two consenting adults. People who culture accepts as capable of making their own decisions, legally are permitted their own decisions, and psychologically are capable of making the conscious decision that they wish to engage sexual behavior with the person of their choice.

Pedophiles are adults engaging in sexual behavior with people who in no way, shape form or fashion are deemed capable of making the decision they are ready to have sex. Pedophiles are adults who take advantage of children, period. Shellac it any way you want, that’s what the law is, that’s what society says, that’s what medicine says.

Homosexuality is a natural variant on sexual behavior, it exists throughout the entire animal kingdom.

As far as I know (and I’m reasonably conversant in animal behavior) NO OTHER ANIMAL engages sexual behavior with a sexually immature member of its species (I'm talking natural animals, in their natural habitat. You cannot use domesticated animals in laboratory or other situations for the purposes of a discussion like this). Pedophilia seems to be a 100% human aberration, it is unnatural and abnormal.