The Shadow said:Hey Sass....
I guess its kind of like expecting a 5 star restaurant to have poatoes
LOL
You just never know
LOLSassy69 said:Jeebuz, never assume anything....![]()
the-short-one said:stop yer bickering, dammit. you sound like my parents.![]()
The Shadow said:LOL
I told a friend that story and she flatly REFUSED to believe that they could not microwave a spud for you......
I gave up after about 10 minutes of trying to convince her otherwise
Sassy69 said:Ok muscle woman, you need some music for those moves... how you doing w/ getting your music sent?
! BIG difference in potency from the crap I have. I had the shakes all day today. lolol still have them, but it's died down.The Shadow said:Shorty...make sure that your dilution factor is correct.
Their product is 200 mcg/ml.
Put one ml of their clen in 9 mls water.
BAck down 20mcg on the clen today
the-short-one said:I had problems logging into the link you gave me, so scouted out another.
hereyago:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/0589dddc-dfe4-4a36-94c1-1ee0ccdbc11e/Nickelback---Rockstar
Sassy69 said:Check your PMs.
Let me know if you cn't get to the files.

the-short-one said:I got em' and PM'd you back.
Thanks, Sass.![]()
the-short-one said:yeah - I think I might of overdosed myself yesterday. lol Feeling OK today, tho.
weight = 148
thanks for the dilution instructions. You want me to back down to 20 x 2 today?
The Shadow said:Yes please.
You know...I was kicking around the idea of re-writing your posing song.......
MAke it a thing about wanting to be a bber....
It would be hellacool......
the issue would be getting someone to sing it
LOL
the lyrics would be awesome though
Sassy69 said:How's the lat spread coming? Finally found the pic I use to mentally pull out the biggest lat spread I can ... I LOVE Elena's back.
http://elenaseiple.com/photos/elena34.jpg
the-short-one said:holy trou drop!lolol
YES. She has an awesome back - her whole physique is awesome, actually. I was just watching her today on my 2005 Nationals dvd.
My lat spread is better. all my posing is getting better. thank god. I got my suits in yesterday, so wore one of them for practice posing today.
My back went out this morning - not my lower - up under my left shoulder blade. oi. Jeff put me back in, but damn. I must have pulled a muscle as well. It hurt so bad, I couldn't do a lat spread. It's calmed down now - so should be better tomorrow.
Did I mention Jeff is also a Chiropractor? Very convenient guy to have around.
I've actually fantasized about being married to a chiropractor in my time *sigh* Lucky, lucky girl. I've had to settle for a geographically convenient chiropractor and a Tempurpedic mattress (best money I ever spent!)the-short-one said:holy trou drop!lolol
YES. She has an awesome back - her whole physique is awesome, actually. I was just watching her today on my 2005 Nationals dvd.
My lat spread is better. all my posing is getting better. thank god. I got my suits in yesterday, so wore one of them for practice posing today.
My back went out this morning - not my lower - up under my left shoulder blade. oi. Jeff put me back in, but damn. I must have pulled a muscle as well. It hurt so bad, I couldn't do a lat spread. It's calmed down now - so should be better tomorrow.
Did I mention Jeff is also a Chiropractor? Very convenient guy to have around.

the-short-one said:ok - questions:
1. no cardio on thursday?
2. steady state = what intensity?
3. on the clen - you want me to drop back down again to 20mcg on monday and work up again? (just clarifying)
musclemom said:I've actually fantasized about being married to a chiropractor in my time *sigh* Lucky, lucky girl. I've had to settle for a geographically convenient chiropractor and a Tempurpedic mattress (best money I ever spent!)
I've had that upper back area go haywire on me, sometimes my chiro ends up having to do a front rib adjustment on me.
Feel better, shortie![]()
Sassy69 said:That's DAMN convenient! I should marry my chiro. That might make me lez tho. Her husband might have issues w/ that too.
Elena is fantastic but her back blows me out of the water ALL the time. She presents soooo well.
the-short-one said:I used to have lower back problems until I met jeff and bought a tempurpedic. both have been excellent investments. lolol
He's an interesting person. He and his brothers were professional rodeo cowboys for 20 years (All of them made the hall of fame this past year). You can imagine the back problems of rodeo cowboys. oi. Probably the least of their injuries. He got all his training from another rodeo guy who was a Chiropractor - both of them are so big that it takes another big guy to put them in. So, he spent time with this guy and got his treatments in exchange for work in the Chiro office. then he hit the road rodeoing and became "the guy" you went to see to get your back worked on.
He never went to school, so doesn't have a license. this means he works for free.I still call him a Chiropractor - I've been to licensed Chiros and have never had a better treatment then the one I get from Jeff. When we go to California to visit his family, there's a line of people waiting for him so they can get adjusted. Seriously. lolol
musclemom said:Oh I believe you! Some people have the hands for it (that's what I call it at least, a feel for what is right and necessary). I've been to licensed chiros and had them hurt me. The guy I go to now has good hands, natural healer, but there are some licensed turkeys that I wouldn't let pet my cat much less crack my back or neck![]()
It's when they TELL you you need to keep going. I won't shit you, I expect a doc to say the following (but I've been to more than a few chiros since I was 16):atasr5 said:I know exactly what you are saying. I went to a chiro once who was hihgly recommended and found he put my back further out, than I stated with was in pain for a couple of months before I plucked up the courage to go see a sports specialist. Who fix it in 3 visits.
They are made with memory foam that forms to the contours of your body pricey little invesment but everyone I know that has made it says it is well worth the $$$.Mavafanculo said:musclemom and shorty:
whats the cliff notes on a Tempurpedic mattress? my back is starting to act up from sitting and staring at a computer screen 14 hours a day (work, not ef lol)
This is one of those things that you either LOVE or HATE. There is very little neutrality about these beds. They DON'T feel like a regular one, that's for damn sure. I find it very relaxing and I've had the first decent sleep in years since getting it. My husband is a very restless sleeper, he would wake me up sometimes 6 or more times a night, this almost TOTALLY dampens motion transfer. I'm sleeping much better and my back feels better, and I have a royally fouled up back.Mavafanculo said:musclemom and shorty:
whats the cliff notes on a Tempurpedic mattress? my back is starting to act up from sitting and staring at a computer screen 14 hours a day (work, not ef lol)
superqt4u2nv said:They are made with memory foam that forms to the contours of your body pricey little invesment but everyone I know that has made it says it is well worth the $$$.
P.S. You also need something like this since you are on the puter all day.
musclemom said:This is one of those things that you either LOVE or HATE. There is very little neutrality about these beds. They DON'T feel like a regular one, that's for damn sure. I find it very relaxing and I've had the first decent sleep in years since getting it. My husband is a very restless sleeper, he would wake me up sometimes 6 or more times a night, this almost TOTALLY dampens motion transfer. I'm sleeping much better and my back feels better, and I have a royally fouled up back.
IMO, go here, find a hotel that has it, book a room (THAT HAS THE TEMPURPEDIC MATTRESS, make SURE you're actually getting the bed!) for NO LESS than three nights:
http://www.tempurpedic.com/TempurCMSVB/company/hotels/
You can't make a decision about this thing just by laying on it for a little while. You actually have to sleep on it to feel if it's going to be right for you, I think.
If you order it from the website you get 120 day free trial, but you still have to pay restocking of like $200 something plus shipping of $175 so ...
Then, when you DO decide to get it, get it from a mattress company that has a liberal return policy. You'll still have to pay restocking fees, but this is one of those things that if it doesn't work out you will be MISERABLE and it's too expensive to be stuck with.
Mavafanculo said:thanks mm -
or intead of liberal return policy, I'll just find someone who has one and sleep over. for research purposes lol.
Mavafanculo said:thanks mm -
or intead of liberal return policy, I'll just find someone who has one and sleep over. for research purposes lol.
imagine if I bring along a fourth - oiiiithe-short-one said:You can come over and sleep on mine, but it might get a little crowded with the three of us.
Gotta love optimists.Mavafanculo said:thanks mm -
or intead of liberal return policy, I'll just find someone who has one and sleep over. for research purposes lol.
lol shorty already generously volunteered her tempurpedic for research purposesmusclemom said:Gotta love optimists.
Mavafanculo said:lol shorty already generously volunteered her tempurpedic for research purposes
hey maybe we'll have the next EF meetup on Shorty's tempurpedic instead of Atlanta? that would be awesome
All I wanna know shortie is how the hell are you gonna shoehorn Mava between you and Jeff? Even if you guys have a California King it's gonna be one hell of a tight fitthe-short-one said:me casa su casa
Someone's gonna roll over and one's gonna fall out (there were three in the bed and the little one said, "roll over, roll over ...")the-short-one said:me casa su casa
musclemom said:All I wanna know shortie is how the hell are you gonna shoehorn Mava between you and Jeff? Even if you guys have a California King it's gonna be one hell of a tight fitSomeone's gonna roll over and one's gonna fall out (there were three in the bed and the little one said, "roll over, roll over ...")
the-short-one said:the king bed is in storage while we get the house built. we bought another tempurpedic queen for the 5th wheel.he'd have to snuggle up with us on a queen. lolol we're having a hard time fitting on it as it is...but hey. the more, the merrier.
a little off subject, but still related: we may buy the house next door to our property. I walked through it yesterday. It needs new paint on the inside and new carpet in the master, but otherwise it's a really nice house. that would give us a total of 12 acres. think of all that space for me to run around nekkid!
florencia said:Hi!!!
I was looking at your food...how many calories are you taking in and are you doing 40-30-30?
Thanks!!!
Dam wish I could cut on that kinda calorie intake. I guess your job being so physical allows you to burn up more then the average office worker.the-short-one said:approx cals as of today = 2680
macro breakdown = 66/18/16 protein/carbs/fat
approx cals before today = 2440
macro breakdown = 64/18/18 protein/carbs/fat
superqt4u2nv said:Dam wish I could cut on that kinda calorie intake. I guess your job being so physical allows you to burn up more then the average office worker.
! He has a mega fast metabolism and doesn't have to do much cardio to drop fat. He told me today he's afraid of doing too much, because he doesn't want to lose muscle mass, and always goes overboard each year he does this comp. (by overboard, I mean losing too much muscle mass) doing a natural show is hard. you can't take anything to preserve your mass...the-short-one said:the guy at the gym who's helping me with my posing cuts on 5000 cals a day. holy! He has a mega fast metabolism and doesn't have to do much cardio to drop fat. He told me today he's afraid of doing too much, because he doesn't want to lose muscle mass, and always goes overboard each year he does this comp. (by overboard, I mean losing too much muscle mass) doing a natural show is hard. you can't take anything to preserve your mass...

Sassy69 said:Don't you just want to kick whiny bastards like that in the nads. Oh waaah I have to eat lots or I might lose mass..... F U buddy. How about a little estrogen & some genetically good German breeding hips to help ya with that?
But I suppose it could be frustrating in its own way....![]()
No need to question it prof is in the pudding you look better and better everytime you post pics.the-short-one said:since I started all this damn cardio and training, I haven't worked much. I have been running heavy equipment, but have done very little shovel work. I hired other people to do that for me.
You'll have to ask Shadow about this eating plan. I have not questioned him on it. I just do as I'm told. lolol To be honest, I just now put it in Fitday because Florencia asked. I had some idea, but didn't know the exact numbers.
The mind boggles, my dear. Not only will the Jehovah's Witnesses avoid you, you will also no longer have mail delivery or UPSthe-short-one said:the king bed is in storage while we get the house built. we bought another tempurpedic queen for the 5th wheel.he'd have to snuggle up with us on a queen. lolol we're having a hard time fitting on it as it is...but hey. the more, the merrier.
a little off subject, but still related: we may buy the house next door to our property. I walked through it yesterday. It needs new paint on the inside and new carpet in the master, but otherwise it's a really nice house. that would give us a total of 12 acres. think of all that space for me to run around nekkid!

don't even look like the same person!the-short-one said:You'll have to ask Shadow about this eating plan. I have not questioned him on it. I just do as I'm told. lolol To be honest, I just now put it in Fitday because Florencia asked. I had some idea, but didn't know the exact numbers.
The Shadow said:Yep.....
It's a lot of cals compared to a standard cutting plan for:
A - a woman
b - a woman who weighs 150
I'm glad that you plugged them in at this point. I didn't mention the mumber of cals before as there would have been a lot of debate on that idea of cutting for a show on X numbers of cals, and especially on the macro split.
We are bumping the cals UP this week as we allow glycogen recovery/replenishment to occur....the total cardio will be a little higher as well to offset the cal increase.
Yes...that is in direct opposition to what I normally recommend......which is low cals/no cardio.
This is a temporary thing for this week only.
Next week....its back to dropping the cals each week tillt he show
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to the-short-one again.the-short-one said:since I started all this damn cardio and training, I haven't worked much. I have been running heavy equipment, but have done very little shovel work. I hired other people to do that for me.
You'll have to ask Shadow about this eating plan. I have not questioned him on it. I just do as I'm told. lolol To be honest, I just now put it in Fitday because Florencia asked. I had some idea, but didn't know the exact numbers.
the-short-one said:since I started all this damn cardio and training, I haven't worked much. I have been running heavy equipment, but have done very little shovel work. I hired other people to do that for me.
You'll have to ask Shadow about this eating plan. I have not questioned him on it. I just do as I'm told. lolol To be honest, I just now put it in Fitday because Florencia asked. I had some idea, but didn't know the exact numbers.
nsashbl01 said:Some people's metabolism seem to shoot up precontest. Hoteacher would waste away until we got her into the mid 2k cal range. We knew heavies eating less than her precontest. I actually felt bad for her having to eat so much. Sounds like shortone has a busy life so it's got to be a pain in the ass?
the-short-one said:the guy at the gym who's helping me with my posing cuts on 5000 cals a day. holy! He has a mega fast metabolism and doesn't have to do much cardio to drop fat. He told me today he's afraid of doing too much, because he doesn't want to lose muscle mass, and always goes overboard each year he does this comp. (by overboard, I mean losing too much muscle mass) doing a natural show is hard. you can't take anything to preserve your mass...

jenscats5 said:Yeah don't you love them?? I know of a couple of natty guys who do NO cardio even during Peak Week......![]()
BTW - when is your show again?? I forget.....
the-short-one said:March 17. San Diego.
I've always admired(hated) those people with fast metabolisms.when it comes down to it, tho - I'd rather be the way that I am. I'm not doing so bad... lolol
the-short-one said:Shadow -
could you talk to me a little bit about the differences in nolva and a-dex - in regards to contest prep usage for wimmins?
I understand that nolva shuts down estrogen receptors and a-dex keeps estrogen from forming, correct? Could you explain a little more about that, and also why you prefer one over the other?
I have only a basic understanding of both, so am trying to educate myself a little more.
thanks.
the-short-one said:Back - 4 SETS ON ALL 15 REPS
SEATED CABLE ROWS WITH ROPE - PULLING HIGH(BETWEEN CHEST AND CHIN)
4 x 15/50 - Yow! these make the traps burn!
MEDIUM GRIP PULLDOWNS TO THE FRONT
4 x 15/60
MODIFIED BENT REAR LATERALS
1 x 15/8lb dbs
3 x 15/10lb dbs - struggled with these a little, but 8lbs was too light.
WEIGHTED HYPERS
4 x 15/25lb plate. OW. these hurt, too. lolol
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My chest is SORE. wow. My pecs hurt all over. It's the first time in months that it's hurt like this. TWO THUMBS UP!! My armpits are also sore.
blut wump said:I've always associated that smelly sweat with not drinking enough water. Eating a high protein diet will cause a lot of urea and, without lots of water to flush it away, it comes out in the sweat.
If your urine is coming out strongly coloured, this would also point to inadequate water consumption. As Shadow says, B Vits will give a yellow/green colour to your urine. Drinking a lot helps to dilute it.
lolthe-short-one said:I've been getting my gallon a day in - all I do is pee (it seems, anyway). The green urine is probably from the spinach & brocolli I"ve been eating.
Jeff says that I've probably smelled bad all along and just now noticed. lolol How sweet.
feisty11975 said:lol
so now your senses are magnified!
You are looking fantastic girl! Keep up the good work. Whens the next set of pictures????
awww well good luck with all that too. You sure do have a lot on your plate.the-short-one said:I'm trying to take them every week - so probably this weekend. I'm going up to Prescott tomorrow. My son is in a spelling bee.He likes to take pictures, so I'll let him do it.
I miss him.. I'll be so happy when we either (1) get this new house built so I can get everyone in the same place or (b) buy the house next door for the same reason. He's staying with grandma until the school year is out. In the meantime, I'm trying to get organized down here so that there's enough living space for all of us (grandma, too.)
the-short-one said:I've been getting my gallon a day in - all I do is pee (it seems, anyway). The green urine is probably from the spinach & brocolli I"ve been eating.
Jeff says that I've probably smelled bad all along and just now noticed. lolol How sweet.
Mavafanculo said:is it a bright green or a dark shade of yellow that starts to look green?
the bright yellow/greeen is just b-vitamns going to waste or your veggis, but if its darkish yellow/green might signal possible liver issues (17aa's?) or dehydration
The Shadow said:Good good good...feel free to add some Melatonin or similar at night if you think that will help the sleep issue.
Is it possible to have Jeff take a picture of each mandatory pose??
I want to see a couple of things in terms of where you are leaning out AND it gives you an opportunity to hit the shots
Good for the little dude!the-short-one said:I'm very proud of him - he won an award at his school for being the most respectful student. He was in the newspaper.![]()
I hope it lasts. lolol
you know what....that angle is what the juedges will seethe-short-one said:no - he's 5 hours south - but Mitch can. lol if you don't mind pictures taken from the angle fo a 6 year old.
The Shadow said:you know what....that angle is what the juedges will see
LOL
funny cuz its true
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