Short rant - explanations welcome

[rich_89]

Greetings gents,

This is going to be a rant, but hopefully a well informed one that will hopefully result in my knowledge being increased, and some demons being put to rest.

Backgound about myself.
I have done 100's of hours of research about AAS's, but have never taken any, following advice from users of these boards.

I came here a couple of years ago ill advised and ill informed, with a box of naposims and a pint dream. Suffice it to say i received some advice, turns out my diet and training were suspect, and i never bothered with the dbol. Made great natural gains so far, may revisit AAS's in a year or so.

Here comes the rant. . .

However, a friend of mine did plunk for the naposims, and like expected he blew up like a balloon, and then half deflated, keeping a lot of strength and size. He used no ancilliaries, nor did he do a PCT.

I put it down to luck, as after reading around this for countless hours, dbol only is not recommended, especially with no supporting drugs to keep the estrogen in check, and as he reported no sides (which i saw for myself, he was fine), it could only be that. . couldn't it?

6 months later, he is now doing a tren cycle, trenbolone acetate i believe, which from what i've read, is not for a beginner, and the advent of side effects is highly reported. Again , he is not using any ancilliaries, nor is a PCT planned. But amazingly, he seems side effect free, and it just seems to me like there are no negatives to what he is doing, contrary to the theory i've read about (and info on here).

He just gets amazing strength gains, and looks amazing, with no apparent downside. So my question is, are the side effects reportedly caused by AAS's uncommon, as death is uncommon by taking paracetomol, but apparently possible. Or is my lucky friend, just that, lucky that his body isn't a total mess.

Advice and explanations welcome.

 

[stevesmi]

first off dbol is one of the most dummy proof AAS out there. i mean you just eat 20-30mg's of pills a day and workout. and you will blow up. estrogen and all.. if you run no AI you will look like a bloated fish but you will be strong as hell. i mean if that is the look you want then thats your choice.

as far as the tren, you can run it and be side effect free if you run a smart dosage and don't happen to be gyno prone. however if you are gyno prone and you don't run the proper ancill's with it you will develop gyno related symptoms. your friend is lucky he isn't gyno prone IMO. his real problem though is gonna be when he comes off, he will be shut down hard. however what a lot of guys do is just jump to another AAS right away, so they never even know they are shut down. its no different than running 1 long 'cycle'.. eventually he will have to come off and then he will pay a hefty price when his penis doesn't work and his test levels are suppressed.

and lastly stop worrying about what other guys do. to each his own.. if your friend wants to fuck himself up then let him learn the hard way. this is not the sport to be envious of what others do or accomplish because we all have such different genetics and reactions to AAS that it is pointless to race anyone. i worked out with a dude the entire summer of our high school year.. i got strong as hell and looked built, he accomplished absolutely nothing.. and we worked out together and had similar diets. my genetics were just way superior.

 

[jester72]

Greetings gents,

This is going to be a rant, but hopefully a well informed one that will hopefully result in my knowledge being increased, and some demons being put to rest.

Backgound about myself.
I have done 100's of hours of research about AAS's, but have never taken any, following advice from users of these boards.

I came here a couple of years ago ill advised and ill informed, with a box of naposims and a pint dream. Suffice it to say i received some advice, turns out my diet and training were suspect, and i never bothered with the dbol. Made great natural gains so far, may revisit AAS's in a year or so.

Here comes the rant. . .

However, a friend of mine did plunk for the naposims, and like expected he blew up like a balloon, and then half deflated, keeping a lot of strength and size. He used no ancilliaries, nor did he do a PCT.

I put it down to luck, as after reading around this for countless hours, dbol only is not recommended, especially with no supporting drugs to keep the estrogen in check, and as he reported no sides (which i saw for myself, he was fine), it could only be that. . couldn't it?

6 months later, he is now doing a tren cycle, trenbolone acetate i believe, which from what i've read, is not for a beginner, and the advent of side effects is highly reported. Again , he is not using any ancilliaries, nor is a PCT planned. But amazingly, he seems side effect free, and it just seems to me like there are no negatives to what he is doing, contrary to the theory i've read about (and info on here).

He just gets amazing strength gains, and looks amazing, with no apparent downside. So my question is, are the side effects reportedly caused by AAS's uncommon, as death is uncommon by taking paracetomol, but apparently possible. Or is my lucky friend, just that, lucky that his body isn't a total mess.

Advice and explanations welcome.

He's extremely lucky, IF, and I do mean ONLY IF, there really is nothing wrong with him physiologically. The only way to truly know if something has been affected at this point, would be to have a baseline, as well as a full scale hormone and blood panel.

Regardless of his age, unless his natural testosterone production was already naturally shut down for some reason, the AAS HAS had a negative effect somewhere. Without those tests though, no one will ever know.

 

[Judo Tom]

so he did 2 cycles that dont get the most praise here..

what if he did 2 great cycles that people recommend here?

and the tren can end up burning him in a few weeks or months as well...

 

[rich_89]

so he did 2 cycles that dont get the most praise here..

what if he did 2 great cycles that people recommend here?

and the tren can end up burning him in a few weeks or months as well...

I don't quite understand your point mate?

 

[Judo Tom]

He did two cycles and is ok.. but his gains/results were not as good as they couldve been. he is taking shortcuts and risks.

also not all sides are apparent and really talked about.. do you know if he is having problems sleeping? do you know his bp or what his lipid levels are? are his gains better then if he did two test only cycles? no way to know really.

also he is currently on tren only and taking no supps w/ it.. he could be screwed for months after that cycle ends

 

[rich_89]

He did two cycles and is ok.. but his gains/results were not as good as they couldve been. he is taking shortcuts and risks.

also not all sides are apparent and really talked about.. do you know if he is having problems sleeping? do you know his bp or what his lipid levels are? are his gains better then if he did two test only cycles? no way to know really.

also he is currently on tren only and taking no supps w/ it.. he could be screwed for months after that cycle ends

Granted, i don't know about his condition to such a depth, but he hasnt reported any such problems.


Now i know the gym is not a time for dick measuring and egos. I was simply making sure i was correct basically.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ many guys don't do blood tests to know if anything is wrong.

 

[Judo Tom]

dbol only for a first cycle i can see.. no biggy just do it right and know what you are getting into and how to control the sides IF they occur.

Tren only 2nd cycle is ridiculous. does that mean tren was his first inject ever.. good luck w/ that..
again dont turn your life into a "well my friend did this and was fine..." my dad always warned me if i did that im gonna end up in jail or the morgue.

 

[rich_89]

Yeah i can see the dbol only, as i was going to do it myself! But after doing some research and talking to experts on here, like yourselves, i decided not to, primarily because my diet and training were wrong, and i wasn't sure how to deal with sides properly.

But yeah, tren is his first inject. I certainly won't be copying him! In my opinion it would be like following him into the mouth of a volcano. Bound to run into trouble without the right knowledge and ancilliaries.

 

[Judo Tom]

definitely get your diet down.. both knowledge and practice. get used to eating a ton of protein and lots of good calories. You need to buy all this food, make it all, have it ready or carry it with you and eat it over and over again until it is just natural for you.

once that is done you can jump into the cycle assuming everything else is in check.

 

[rich_89]

definitely get your diet down.. both knowledge and practice. get used to eating a ton of protein and lots of good calories. You need to buy all this food, make it all, have it ready or carry it with you and eat it over and over again until it is just natural for you.

once that is done you can jump into the cycle assuming everything else is in check.

Yeah mate, i agree.

Would a natural test booster, such as HCGenerate have any effect on it's own, standalone? Or would this be pointless?

 

[Judo Tom]

for standalone I would run unleashed or phytoserms.. they are better natural test boosters I believe. Save HCGenerate for a pct run.

 

[rich_89]

Thanks bro.

Edit: Can't seem to find a retailer for Unleashed in the UK, so i'm going to go with phytoserms.

Again, thanks.

 

[Zyglamail]

^^^ many guys don't do blood tests to know if anything is wrong.

Ignorance is bliss!