short cycles vs. long?

[facethepain]

I've been reading alot lately about doing short cycles like 6 wks. on and 6 off i.e. Tren and Prop. They say to hit it hard and then get out w/ pct. Do you think the gains would be as good as say a 10 to 12 weeker? They're saying it's less of a strain on your body's recovery. What are you bros take on this? Any merit? Thanks in advance.

 

[tag]

you will definately make gains. no, you won't gain as much as you would on a 10 to 12 week cycle but if you read around and look at what guys are doing, you will find that the gains you do make are quite acceptable. lets look at what happens to you when you do a long cycle. you are going to put on a large quantity of quality muscle, this is certain. you are also going to put on some fat. you will have to eat like a beast for 3 months and then recover. you will lose many of your gains. if you do a short cycle you are going to be doing bigger doses for a shorter time. you may front load your prop and tren and then do injections everyday for 2-3 weeks (yes i know you said 6) and then stop. here is a thread i started on another board, you should go and read it, i'm not sure if this is allowable so i am making the link not operable until you fix the front of it. its not too long but will show you what i went through and give you an idea of what you may expect. http://xxx.irontrybe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6211

 

[ruggermu]

I was thinking about the myself. making my next cycle more like 8 weeks with short acting esters like test prop, tren, and winny

 

[Makavelli]

I'm not a fan of short cycles. I don't think that they allow the body to get used to carrying around the extra mass. Look at the biggest guys, and not guys that stay on year round, they always do longer cycles.

 

[shamrock11]

And there is your problem. Your body won't be adapted to the extra mass that you'll acuire in that short of a time. You body will burn up most of the muscle for energy b/c the extra weight will make the body work harder.

 

[ruggermu]

That's the kind of thuing that has me unsure of which route I'll take on my next for sure, but I have some time still in the middle of my second. I'm anxious to hear some more opinions on the matter.

 

[cougar8]

That's the kind of thuing that has me unsure of which route I'll take on my next for sure, but I have some time still in the middle of my second. I'm anxious to hear some more opinions on the matter.

Longer cycles with correct PCT will be better because as said before, your body will then have had plenty of time to adjust to its new size and weight. Correct PCT, correct nutrition, and correct training is the key to maintaning your gains.

 

[ruggermu]

Longer cycles with correct PCT will be better because as said before, your body will then have had plenty of time to adjust to its new size and weight. Correct PCT, correct nutrition, and correct training is the key to maintaning your gains.

I understnad that I just also read about a theory with short cycles and short rest periods and that also(shorter rest) has it's obvious benefits I would think

 

[The Terminator]

I like short cycles myself (~4 weeks long) the only thing I DONT like about them is having to use fast acting gear and injecting eod...

 

[Bozwell]

Ive only done 2 cycles, my first was sust 250 @1ml per weekfor 8 weeks i kept 12lbs after pct and a 5 week dbol @20mg ed only cycle and kept 12lbs after pct but the streanth gains of the dbol were much better than the test and I feel I recovered faster from the dbol cycle so I think short cycles will be be my choice

 

[Apexx]

I've been reading alot lately about doing short cycles like 6 wks. on and 6 off i.e. Tren and Prop. They say to hit it hard and then get out w/ pct. Do you think the gains would be as good as say a 10 to 12 weeker? They're saying it's less of a strain on your body's recovery. What are you bros take on this? Any merit? Thanks in advance.

I'm doing these type of cycles right now. I finished the first 6 weeker about 4 weeks ago. Used tren/prop/dbol. I put on about 8lbs and so far I've kept
6lbs of it. I haven't gotten by bf tested, but it actually looks like it went down a bit.

Also, I didn't use anything for pct this time. Just wanted to see if I needed it or not. I'll probably do pct for next cycles, but it I have only lost a couple of lbs of water and my libido wasn't effected at all.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I think some of the other guys have hit it dead on. The biggest benefit of a longer cycle is that it allows you to adjust to your new mass while still on. You'll probably experience the bulk of your weight gain in the first 8-10 weeks (or maybe even less). However, if you decide to end your cycle the second the gains slow down your body won't have adjusted to the new mass and you'll jump right into PCT (obviously a very catabolic state).

 

[sprinter86]

I do short cycles (6-8weeks) and have never lost more than 2lb during PCT and recovery. I try to increase training and keep the calories up after I finish. The short cycles are also good because you can do twice as many. I bet 2x 6week cycles will net more than 1x 12week

 

[Joe Stenson]

I try to increase training and keep the calories up after I finish.

You INCREASE training during PCT???

The short cycles are also good because you can do twice as many. I bet 2x 6week cycles will net more than 1x 12week

This has some merit to it.

On the other hand, I would think it's worse for you to have your blood levels jumping around so often.

 

[Guvna]

I would like to hear more from people that have done both.

Either way, I figure once I have reached the point where I like how my body looks (which may be never, but hopefully not), I figure I will only do 2 or 3 6 weekers a year, just to maintain.

 

[Zircon]

hey at the moment I'm doing only 2 weekers with test prop and tren - we'll see how it works. It doesn't seem as impressive, but a friend of mine has gained 5lbs in 4 consecutive cycles like that. Ended up being 20lbs up lean in 4 months. Not bad, I say.

 

[Guvna]

hey at the moment I'm doing only 2 weekers with test prop and tren - we'll see how it works. It doesn't seem as impressive, but a friend of mine has gained 5lbs in 4 consecutive cycles like that. Ended up being 20lbs up lean in 4 months. Not bad, I say.

not bad at all, however, his HTPA is never fully recovered.

 

[sprinter86]

You INCREASE training during PCT???
On the other hand, I would think it's worse for you to have your blood levels jumping around so often.

Try to increase frequency...obviously the weight drops a little. I have not had any problems but I have never done 2x 6week cycles back to back without waiting at least 2weeks after PCT is finished (so this is 6weeks on / 6weeks off)

 

[soxfan]

Over the course of this coming year I am planning on running tbol 4 weeks on 4 weeks off for 12 months straight. Hopefully the quality gains will add up and pct should be a breeze!

 

[Madcow2]

adjust to your new mass while still on...snip...your body won't have adjusted to the new mass and you'll jump right into PCT (obviously a very catabolic state).

I don't think that they allow the body to get used to carrying around the extra mass

Your body won't be adapted to the extra mass that you'll acuire in that short of a time. You body will burn up most of the muscle for energy b/c the extra weight will make the body work harder.

Okay - somebody has to explain to me how exactly and through what mechanism the body "adjusts", "adapts", or "get's used to" added muscle while on a cycle and how it's a rational for staying on drugs longer outside of any potential gain. What exactly happens outside of additional gains during the next 4 weeks that the previous 6 weeks wouldn't allow?

As for the energy theory - that's what food is for. Increase base caloric intake appropriately for weight gain and you shouldn't be feeding on your muscle just to walk around. Even if you were, I don't see how having it longer or shorter would matter once the body decides to use itself for survival.

I've heard this whole 'get used to' thing thrown around before in the BBing community and I have never ever seen it supported. My money is on this being voodoo just like dbol only cycles don't work. Still, I'd like to hear whatever science or thoery is behind this just once.

 

[krishna]

You INCREASE training during PCT???.

Ya why not?

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

I've heard it raises cortisol levels higher...

I dunno I tend to cut back as well... 2 - 3 times a week... but keep my cals up etc ...