Short cycle Vs long cycle

[Cwick]

Been looking around. And thinking of going to a 5-6 week on and 6 weeks off. Any thoughts and help!bout to pick up 20 cc tren e and sustanon 250.

 

[FLEX4USML]

Stats,goals,cycle history,etc?

 

[gymrat827]

longer cycles IMO are better. Gives the new muscle time to mature, thus better overall gains once pct is over with. Short cycles are very hard to maintain gains with

 

[Cwick]

34yr 5'7 160.Diet is ok, could be better. Got 1 cyp and 2 sustanon cycles under belt. Looking to bulk, add 20lbs. They were 12 week cycles. Also any help on pct after sus and tren cycle? I Have clomid, milk thistle, b6 and saw palmetto.

 

[Judo Tom]

sust is not ideal for a short cycle because it will last a long time after your last inject.. use short esters like prop so it clears quickly

if you do a 5 week cycle with 4 weeks of pct you should take at least 10 weeks off after pct not 6

 

[caribeman]

sust is not ideal for a short cycle because it will last a long time after your last inject.. use short esters like prop so it clears quickly

if you do a 5 week cycle with 4 weeks of pct you should take at least 10 weeks off after pct not 6

Use Prop instead and you can add Mast or Tren A or both if you wish. PCT and do blood work, that is the ONLY way you will know where you are at.... Guesstimating on this amount of time or that amount of time is BS. BW is the way to go.

 

[nydj66]

When designing a test/tren cycle you generally want to go a week or two longer with the test than the tren. Tren is a progestin and will increase prolactin which stays in your system a while and keeps you suppressed.

AND, after sust cycle you typically wait 3 weeks after last pin to start PCT to allow the longest test esters to clear from your system. So your cycle would look like this:

wk 1-5: Tren ace
wk 1-6: Sust
wk 6-8: HCG
wk 9-11: PCT (50mg/day of clomid since you have it)

 

[Judo Tom]

Use Prop instead and you can add Mast or Tren A or both if you wish. PCT and do blood work, that is the ONLY way you will know where you are at.... Guesstimating on this amount of time or that amount of time is BS. BW is the way to go.

my point about 10 weeks after pct is that you should stay natural for some time after you have recovered... rather than recover and jump right back into a cycle

 

[ALIN]

Been looking around. And thinking of going to a 5-6 week on and 6 weeks off. Any thoughts and help!bout to pick up 20 cc tren e and sustanon 250.

Those long esters you mention wont begin to shine until around week 4.
For short cycles use short esters like TEST PROP and TREN ACE.

 

[Nelson Montana]

longer cycles IMO are better. Gives the new muscle time to mature, thus better overall gains once pct is over with. Short cycles are very hard to maintain gains with

Actually, the exact opposite is true. If you gain 6 pounds, it's easier to keep 4 of them. If you gain 20 pounds, from a long cycle you'll keep 4 of them -- maybe. SInce recovery is more difficult.

 

[freakshow85]

Interesting point, Nelson. Was almost discouraging to hear short cycles being a waste as I've done Hella and Beast, but I had no problem keeping all gains from Hella and currently am on day 2 of PCT from 4 weeks of beast @ 30mg. I have a feeling with proper diet, training, and PCT again, I'll keep all my strength again, and not shed much weight. Then cut mid January or February.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Interesting point, Nelson. Was almost discouraging to hear short cycles being a waste as I've done Hella and Beast, but I had no problem keeping all gains from Hella and currently am on day 2 of PCT from 4 weeks of beast @ 30mg. I have a feeling with proper diet, training, and PCT again, I'll keep all my strength again, and not shed much weight. Then cut mid January or February.

That's because you know how to train. It's usually the guys who took steroids before exploring all the other options who need long cycles because they can;t build muscle any other way. In this thread, I get into it in more detail. And explanation. And argument. lol http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/bodybuilding-truth-816673-5.html