Short Cycle, Test prop/npp

[jasonxxx]

Hi all!
I´m about to start doing short cycles for a while (3 on 3-4 of, 4 on 4-6 of) and I got test prop, NPP and Dbol to use!

Stats:
24
6.1 (186cm)
200 pounds (91kg)
15-16% BF

Cycle history: 2 x (10mg dbol/d 60 days)

Been training since I was around 19, but it was most for strengt for my sports, not for lbm purpose.
Been taking it more serious last 1½ year with good diet and training plans!

Diet:
P: 2,2-2,5 g/kg bodyweight (not lbm)
F: 0,5-1 g/kg bodyweight (not lbm)
C: Enough to allways reach surplus
3000 calories/d (Clean food!)

Goals: Put on lbm and as little BF as possible, rather loose some of course!

Proposed cycle #1:
weeks: 3-4
100mg prop eod
100mg npp eod
30mg dbol?

Proposed cycle #2:
Weeks: 3-4
150mg prop eod
30mg dbol

Proposed cycle #3:
Weeks: 3-4
150mg prop eod
100mg npp eod
dbol?

PCT:
Week 1: 40mg Nolva + Creatine
Week 2&3: 20mg Nolva + Creatine
Week 4: Creatin

RESTART with new modified cycle!

After this I consider another short cycle for another bulking, gears will be decided during PCT weeks!

I´ve read alot about this short cycles, but I cant really decide what to run exactly and I will decide in week 3 if 4 weeks will be doable.
I also know npp can be a problem with recovery but I´ve read enough to be willing to try this out and I dont think the time on and the dosage should be a problem for serious sides.

My earlier dbol cycles did give me pretty descent gains, but I got pretty bad lower back pumps, will this be worse if I would use higher dosage of dbol?

Now PLEASE give me the best of help you can give and try to stay on the subject

Thanks!
/Strapon

 

[UFC22]

1-8 -- T-Prop 150 mgs/EOD
1-6 -- NPP 50-100mgs/EOD
1-4 -- D-bol 30mgs/ED

Do an 8 weeker, I think you will be more satisfied. Make sure you have an AI such as aromasin or AIFM on hand. Also have you PCT in place.

 

[jasonxxx]

I think your advice looks very nice indeed, but because Im new to injectables I would like to do a few short cycles first to see how I react and what gains to expect with moderate doses.

Another reason I want to try this shorties is because I will be able to do 2 or 3 of them until July and then I have the choice to do 2 bulking and 1 cutting cycle, or just 1 of both.

Goals for cycle #1: Put on lbm and as little BF as possible, rather loose some of course!
I will be satisfied with as "little" as 4 pounds lbm result but more then happy with more, no unrealistic goal I think?

More suggestions, and how does the pct look?

 

[blut wump]

Just run a simple test enanthate cycle for 8-10 weeks of between 400 and 600 mg per week, injected every 3-5 days. For example, 250mg E4D for 8 weeks.

It'll give you a clear idea of how to run an injectible and how you respond to test. It's difficult to screw the cycle up and the gains will be at least as good as you crave.

Sequences of short cycles are an attractive proposition but I think you'd be better served by running them a little later, when you have more experience of recovery and what to expect.

Another simple, easy, cycle would be to run the prop alone for six or seven weeks. The downside is that you'd be getting yourself in for twice as many pokes as the enanthate cycle.

 

[jasonxxx]

Just run a simple test enanthate cycle for 8-10 weeks of between 400 and 600 mg per week, injected every 3-5 days. For example, 250mg E4D for 8 weeks.

It'll give you a clear idea of how to run an injectible and how you respond to test. It's difficult to screw the cycle up and the gains will be at least as good as you crave.

Sequences of short cycles are an attractive proposition but I think you'd be better served by running them a little later, when you have more experience of recovery and what to expect.

Another simple, easy, cycle would be to run the prop alone for six or seven weeks. The downside is that you'd be getting yourself in for twice as many pokes as the enanthate cycle.

You are right about the short cycles, they are really tempting, and I´ve deiced to try them.
Im not in a hurry growing as fast as possible, I will take it one step at the time. I feel short cycles will fit my goals better then long ones, and I´m willing to inject eod, also got myself a nurse who will help me with the injects
Im prepered for some pain

Thanks for your opinion!

Right now Im considering this:

Cycle #1:
3-4 weeks
100mg prop eod
100mg npp eod

Cycle #2:
week 1-4
150mg prop eod
dbol?

More suggestions please

 

[blut wump]

Have you looked into the alleged weakening of connective tissue that is purported to be an issue over the first three weeks of a cycle?

"researchers have suggested that steroids cause a rapid increase in protein synthesis within tendon fibroblasts which results in fibroids or fibrous nodules within the tendon (Michna,1988). These fibroids alter the mechanical properties of the tendon perhaps predisposing it to rupture. It is also noted that during short term use of steroids there is an alteration in the alignment of collagen fibers which may also lead to rupture. Interestingly these alterations in collagen metabolism are transient with markers of collagen turnover returning more or less to baseline after 3-4 weeks of steroid administration (Karpakka,1992)."

 

[jasonxxx]

Have you looked into the alleged weakening of connective tissue that is purported to be an issue over the first three weeks of a cycle?

"researchers have suggested that steroids cause a rapid increase in protein synthesis within tendon fibroblasts which results in fibroids or fibrous nodules within the tendon (Michna,1988). These fibroids alter the mechanical properties of the tendon perhaps predisposing it to rupture. It is also noted that during short term use of steroids there is an alteration in the alignment of collagen fibers which may also lead to rupture. Interestingly these alterations in collagen metabolism are transient with markers of collagen turnover returning more or less to baseline after 3-4 weeks of steroid administration (Karpakka,1992)."

Thanks for the info!
But after all I been reading from other users with experience from short cycles, they are satisfied and get a descent result somewhere between 6-10 lbs, and that is for me more then enough for a cycles not longer then 4 weeks. Some seems to claim that 4on has the best gains to side ratio.
I feel its invaluable to hear from other users how they did!

But I think up to 6 weeks could be taken in consideration for me for the first injectable cycle, it all comes down to sides and health how I will respond.


How do you

 

[lifthard2005]

wk 1-8 prop @ 100mg ed
wk 1-8 npp @ 100mg ed
wk 1-4 or 5 dbol @ 50mg ed

 

[jasonxxx]

wk 1-8 prop @ 100mg ed
wk 1-8 npp @ 100mg ed
wk 1-4 or 5 dbol @ 50mg ed

That seems good for my 3rd or 4th cycle if I wont like short ones with max 6 weeks duration.

What about this:

wk 1-(4,5,6 depending on results and sides!)
150mg prop eod
100mg npp eod
30mg dbol/d ??? (will pump in lower back be a bigger problem with higher dosage if I got it from 10mg/d?)

How do you experienced users eat during a cycle when you aim to loose some BF during a bulk or at least keep it where it is?
How much calories over maintanance?
And how often do you do cardio every week?

I will keep track of weight and body fat each week and my diet will be clean and spot on.

 

[jasonxxx]

Bump for experienced guys!