This is the post I was refering to in regards to da musclesmans Gains keeper formula. The whole post can be found at the link above my sig pic.
Instead of tapering off, he dropped all juice abruptly.
<That's smart.
BTW he was on 800 mg /
week test (that's all it takes) along with arimidex, clomid, finasteride,
l-glutamine, potassium, and iron.
<That's even smarter and I've written about the reasons to use clomid and arimidex together. Don't agree with the shock theory as they work just because that's how clomid and arimidex work. Clomid hits the LH and arimidex hits the FSH.
The reasoning behind this was simple: The
higher the shock to the HPTA, the quicker the Hypothalimus responds and wakesup, sending signals to the pituitary via LHRH to release LH and re-activate thetestes. This was a shot in the dark that proved dead on, we had his serumtestosterone tested 10 days after the cutoff and it was almost wihin normalrange. That is an incredible recovery rate for an 8 week cycle, but results mayvary. Next time I'd like to run a daily assay on him to chart the recovery on agraph, but those tests are a bit pricy and would be a trick to justify to his
insurance. Maybe I'll buy some assay kits =) Normal baseline recovery after atraditional taper for him was about 14 - 16 days (usually that's when we can getget the bloodwork scheduled -- having a couple of colleag!ues in the lab helps).
Of course I implemented the mandatory 2 weeks off from day 1 of cycle cutoff.This means no strenuous activity for 2 solid weeks which includes no training,no cardio, not even grunting on the shitter. This keeps the muscle glycogenlevels constant and prevents the protein breakdown associated with glycogendepletion during resistance training (a major catabolic factor when test levels are low).
<I would have kept up the cardio at least and maybe once a week of some type of strength training at a lower intensity level.
This brought his maintenance calories down from 2800 to about 2200 per
day. This was good because the next part of the experiment was targeted directly at reducing catabolism.
Coming off a cycle, your catabolic hormones are exceedingly high so it isimportant to try to dampen them if even slightly with insulin and aminogluthemide during the last week of cycle. Anyone who has switched toinsulin coming off a cycle will attest that they lose less muscle mass thancoming off previous cycles without it, but sometimes this ends up raisingbodyfat so it's a tradeoff.
<High catabolic hormones is debatable at best! IF you mean they are high in ratio to the testosterone, then yes, but if you mean they are much higher than a normal persons, then that's questionable. Additionally, I have experience with blood tests and people after cycle with higher then normal cortisol and virtually nil test, fsh, and LH and their gains weren't inhibited or lost.
weeks, he was going to consume 5k cal / day even if it killed him. Actually Ithink I went a little overboard on this and stopped counting. I just guessed andusually erred on the side of overkill. Thank god he was as interested in thisthing as I or I don't think he would have lasted 3 days, but I have a way ofmotivating people.
<Way to fatten him up for the slaughter!
The reason I upped his calories and dropped his activity was because we feltcatabolic reactions stem from the same foundation as lipolysis: Convertingexcess mass to elementary proteins and sugars to feed the metabolism. Shouldthere be an over-abundance of proteins and sugars in the body perhaps thecatabolic demons could be appeased.
The other thing I felt was that 2 weeks of gluttony probably wouldn't be longenough to generate a permanent effect on his overall fat mass as it usuallytakes just over 2 weeks for the body to adapt to this sort of thing. Well, atleast HE bought it, and that's what's important.
Results: Week 1, lost 3 lbs. Week 2, lost 2 lbs. Week 3, so far no weightloss.
<Muscle or fat? Evidently the cals didn't stop the catabolism.
He was back in the gym today training with moderate intensity and is walking on
air. Also he somehow looks more pumped now than when he was on juice, it's hard
to tell, could be because of the subq water loss.
<Yes, always look better within first month off juice.
<You've also overlooked adding in creatine as that will be lost from the muscle cells as well. ALL AS increase creatine stores to their limit which is why you don't need to take creatine during a cycle. And/or you could also take 1ml/2g bodyweight of glycerol /day. Glycerol greatly cuts down on soreness after doing about 100ml/day for 5 days. Suprised even me because all the research is for one time doses prior to an event, but it seems that we have something else happening with continual usage!
<Next, you should take and/or test the thyroid level of the patient as well as add in HGH or IGF during the first two weeks off the cycle.
<Like you said, test is related to thyroid and vice versa and hGH is related to thyroid and vice versa! Ever notice the amount of people who say they start sweating upon use of AS?
<So do you see where this is going? The catabolism may not in fact be from high cortisol at all, but from high thyroid and low hGH and no test when coming off! Can't spell catabolism any better than that!
And in fact, in some sports cortisol is used and one week after starting it, the athletes claim their performance goes up dramatically..........
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