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Zander1983
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They're specially designed shirts for bench pressing 
Courtesy of Google:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cyberpump5.htm
http://www.titansupport.com/products/shirts/fury.htm
Courtesy of Google:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cyberpump5.htm
http://www.titansupport.com/products/shirts/fury.htm
Zander1983
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And good on you for asking, seriously.
Some indiduals can get a 100+ pound increase on thier bench using these shirts also.
Synpax said:
Until you see the shirts, you cannot really imagine how well they work, but they do. I don't really even train bench much and get about 130 lbs out of a shirt. They help you by making it much harder to get the bar to your chest so the bar springs back up. You must have good lockout strength though or it will not matter.
As for the lift being less pure, that is a frequent and old debate. A shirted bench is what it is. It is not a raw bench and should not be compared to one; however, if shirts are allowed in the competition, it is inappropriate to call the shirted bench cheating, as it is not.
louden_swain
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This whole shirt thing has me interested. . .I would love to see how they work. What is it about the shirt that makes the bench press increase? I know that a lot has to do with technique. . but I am seriously interested . . does it keep the upper body tight?
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slobberknocker
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It's like a squat suit. It creates a spring effect at the bottom, and gives you a little push off your chest. You have to have really strong triceps to take advantage of it though.
wannabebig1
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i have never heard or seen one of these things in person before . i can bench 290 off my chest raw . what would be the increase if i wear one . 390?
louden_swain
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Well my triceps have always been a weak link so I may not benefit. . lol.
wannabebig1 said:
who knows? to get a feel for it, go into the rack and bench off of the pins from about half way up. Bigger benchers have the ability to get more out of their shirts. I would guess that you may get about 30 lbs until you did proper tricept and shirt training.
Synpax
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Then what is the f-ing point? I don't know why anyone would bother to try with one or bother to post a PR with one. Why are they allowed in competition?
They are worse than straps in that straps do make you stronger. (I use them for my DL, shrugs, and sidebends and to forarm/grip work seperatly since my grip is very weak).
They are worse than straps in that straps do make you stronger. (I use them for my DL, shrugs, and sidebends and to forarm/grip work seperatly since my grip is very weak).
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slobberknocker
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Other people are using them, so it's stupid not to use one if you're competing.
Synpax
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Hmm, ok. Here is my working modus operandi re: benching and shirts:
I will never compete and don't use one because I am really intereted in raw PRs and building strength for myself. If anyone tells me their max bench, I will ask "is that with a shirt or without." If the answer is yes, I will explain to any women present that it adds 100 lbs to your max when used and is a sort of crutch but is legal in competition.
I will never compete and don't use one because I am really intereted in raw PRs and building strength for myself. If anyone tells me their max bench, I will ask "is that with a shirt or without." If the answer is yes, I will explain to any women present that it adds 100 lbs to your max when used and is a sort of crutch but is legal in competition.
Synpax said:
You are two-thirds correct. If you are not a competitive powerlifter, getting a bench shirt would be pointless and a waste of your money. It is a very reasonable position for you to take if you are a bodybuilder.
It is also appropriate for you to ask anyone who tells you their bench max whether it is with or without a shirt because it does make a huge difference.
However, it is incorrect for you to explain to the women that it adds 100 lbs or that it is a crutch. As I explained briefly in my prior post, benching with a shirt is simply a different animal from a raw bench. If everyone could simply get 100 lbs out of a shirt on top of their current raw bench, there would, as you stated, be no real point to the shirt. Thankfully, this is not the case, which is why I consistently out-bench people in competition that could easily beat me on a raw bench. Just part of the game.
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Debaser
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SHIRTS ARE JUST CHEATING IF I WORE A SHIRT I COULD TRIPLE MY BENCH EASY BUT I WON'T BECAUSE IM NOT A CHEATER LIKE ALL THOSE POWERLIFTERS WHO USE SHIRTS THAT ARE CHEATING BECAUSE THEY BENCH WITH SHIRTS AND THEY CHEAT.
Synpax
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Ok Rbrown - point well taken.
However, what SHOULD I say when some guy says he is outbenching me but is wearing a shirt and there are girls around? Clearly it gives him a benefit. Why shouldn't I point this out? And how would you suggest that I point this out?
Or should I just say "oh yeah" right before I kick his ass.
However, what SHOULD I say when some guy says he is outbenching me but is wearing a shirt and there are girls around? Clearly it gives him a benefit. Why shouldn't I point this out? And how would you suggest that I point this out?
Or should I just say "oh yeah" right before I kick his ass.
Debaser said:
geez, just when i thought i was starting to like you....do yourself a favor and read a rule book or two. its only cheating if its against the rules.
is it cheating to wear the latest advances in sprinting spikes to lower my times?
is it cheating to wear a speed suit to cut down on wind resistance, so i can run faster?
is it cheating to use the latest legal golf ball to lower my score?
is it cheating to use the latest legal golf club to lower my score?
is it cheating to use high performance tires to make my race car go faster?
Mike_Rojas
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I think he was trying to be funny, Liftbig
Mike_Rojas
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All this shirt talk makes me want to buy one.
I get 70 pounds or so (last time I tried) from my denim shirt and I wear it cause my competition sure as hell will be
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Debaser
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Mike_Rojas said:
Synpax said:
I believe there are different federations for raw and shirted competitions. You can pick the one you want depending on your beliefs. Just FYI.
As far as the "cheating" argument, I believe rbrown has given the best answers, and I will refer to his posts for that.
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pwr_machine
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Unfair advantage...cheating...not a true max...yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've seen these statements many times. For those that doubt competitors using a shirt, take a step back and look at there WARM-UPS! You'll notice that many of the guys benching 700+ with the help of a shirt are warming up with 2, 3, 4, 5, and even 6 plates before they even put the damn shirt on. That's more than many of you that doubt the use of shirts will ever max on squat...and they're just WARMING UP for bench! Ha!
I've seen these statements many times. For those that doubt competitors using a shirt, take a step back and look at there WARM-UPS! You'll notice that many of the guys benching 700+ with the help of a shirt are warming up with 2, 3, 4, 5, and even 6 plates before they even put the damn shirt on. That's more than many of you that doubt the use of shirts will ever max on squat...and they're just WARMING UP for bench! Ha!
Liftbig said:
do yourself a favor and read a rule book or two. its only cheating if its against the rules.
is it cheating to wear the latest advances in sprinting spikes to lower my times?
is it cheating to wear a speed suit to cut down on wind resistance, so i can run faster?
is it cheating to use the latest legal golf ball to lower my score?
is it cheating to use the latest legal golf club to lower my score?
is it cheating to use high performance tires to make my race car go faster?
You golf?
TheProject
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Synpax said:
I just have this image of a guy, standing on a chair, calling out to all women present, pronouncing the resident powerlifter a cheater.
Too funny...
Guess we were due for this argument again too.
pwr_machine
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TheProject said:
...wearing black Weider gloves, a visor cap on upside down and backwards, a wife-beater t-shirt, and sandals.
My apologies, Spatts. It doesn't belong in training, but I couldn't resist.
Synpax said:
Snypax:
You likely will not have to point anything out. If you have ever seen a bench shirt or someone using one, it is quite obvious that it is giving a huge advantage. One day when I was doing some 3-board presses with an open back denim bench shirt, a 10 year old boy asked his dad "Why is that man wearing a blue jean jacket while he works out?"
Ultimately, you should not be concerned with what others think in the gym. Lift for yourself and your friends. Who is to say what is better--powerlifting, bodybuilding, strongman, fitness lifting, whatever? To each his own; there is room for everyone. I have found that only those that are unhappy about their lifts or position in life feel the need to belittle others or build themselves up by cutting others down. I can probably out squat almost everyone in our gym by 200 lbs and outsquat the vast majority of them by 400 lbs. However, they probably have no idea; and 90% of them probably would not care anyway. But I do and my friends do; that's all that matters.
Also, this thread is bordering on being a chat topic. It's becoming clear that you started it to instigate a sitatuation; one that has been discussed on about a bi-monthly basis since the dawn of the board. There's really no need for us to, once again, discuss the morality of a bench shirt. Moreover, we should not need to waste training space to help you cope with a fictitious situation that could potentially occur in your gym.
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Debaser
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Out of curiousity, are there "raw" powerlifting organizations? Competitions where little to no gear is allowed?
I have no problems with shirts (use the best equipment that is allowed to win) but I feel something is definately to be said about raw strength with no assistance.
I have no problems with shirts (use the best equipment that is allowed to win) but I feel something is definately to be said about raw strength with no assistance.
alright, im going to say it (keep in mind this isnt necesarily directed at anyone in particular).
i dont give a crap about RAW this or that. im not in powerlifting to boost up my raw bench and compete with some tweed who wants to impress girls, fuck that. personally i dont think i have taken a raw max in over 6 months, and i dont really plan to anytime soon. honestly it is really pointless for my needs. If somone asks me about my lifts, you better beleive i tell them what ive done in competition. Ill be damned if im going to feel ashamed of my accomplishments becuase i wear powerlifting equipment. I AM PROUD of what i have done, how much time and commitment ive put into my training, and the sacrifices ive made to do what i love. For all you other powerlifters on here, BE Proud of what youve done, shirt or not. YOU dont lift for the average ingnorant joe, so dont buy into their ingorant mindset.
i also want to make it VERY clear that weight training and POWERLIFTING are NOT the same thing. the difference is competition. nobody competes in weight training. everbody has heard the "football players wear the lastet equipment" or "track athletes use the latest footwear" so im not going there again.
The bottom line is, I DONT COMPETE for the "weight trainers" who want to bitch and moan about equipment. their efforts are useless and all they do is piss people off. IF they want to compete with me they can STEP UP TO MY LEVEL, wear a bench shirt, compete in my sport, if they can handle it.
i dont give a crap about RAW this or that. im not in powerlifting to boost up my raw bench and compete with some tweed who wants to impress girls, fuck that. personally i dont think i have taken a raw max in over 6 months, and i dont really plan to anytime soon. honestly it is really pointless for my needs. If somone asks me about my lifts, you better beleive i tell them what ive done in competition. Ill be damned if im going to feel ashamed of my accomplishments becuase i wear powerlifting equipment. I AM PROUD of what i have done, how much time and commitment ive put into my training, and the sacrifices ive made to do what i love. For all you other powerlifters on here, BE Proud of what youve done, shirt or not. YOU dont lift for the average ingnorant joe, so dont buy into their ingorant mindset.
i also want to make it VERY clear that weight training and POWERLIFTING are NOT the same thing. the difference is competition. nobody competes in weight training. everbody has heard the "football players wear the lastet equipment" or "track athletes use the latest footwear" so im not going there again.
The bottom line is, I DONT COMPETE for the "weight trainers" who want to bitch and moan about equipment. their efforts are useless and all they do is piss people off. IF they want to compete with me they can STEP UP TO MY LEVEL, wear a bench shirt, compete in my sport, if they can handle it.
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Citruscide
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Backlash said:
That's a really lousy analogy.
C-ditty
Synpax
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I didn't bring it up to start a situation - I brought it u pbecause I keep seeing people here say "raw" or "shirted" or whatever and had no clue exactly how the shirts worked - despite having googled it first.
Also, can you not grasp why someone would be skeptical upon first learning of the shirt and what it does? Yes, they are allowed in competition, straps are not, I get that, it's not right or wrong, it's just the way of the world. Like in chess, white moves first - just the way it is.
And finally, when someone tells me their max bench, and we are sizing each other up in part for inspiration, in part because it is *human* to seek competition, it seems reasonable to ask if it's raw or shirted.
That is all.
Also, can you not grasp why someone would be skeptical upon first learning of the shirt and what it does? Yes, they are allowed in competition, straps are not, I get that, it's not right or wrong, it's just the way of the world. Like in chess, white moves first - just the way it is.
And finally, when someone tells me their max bench, and we are sizing each other up in part for inspiration, in part because it is *human* to seek competition, it seems reasonable to ask if it's raw or shirted.
That is all.
Mike_Rojas
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I don't see any powerlifters hiding the fact that they use a shirt.
...and I don't see how insinuating it is a "Crutch" jives with your defense that you only asked because you don't know how they work. You imply in your post that you know exactly how they work, and they are a crutch.
I don't appreciate the negative karma you gave me, in exchange for your ignorance.
I don't appreciate the negative karma you gave me, in exchange for your ignorance.
Synpax said:
you did too try to start shit....
in the first post it wasnt clear but later you got all heated as said how if you were in a room with a person wearing a bench shirt and girls were wacthing you would make sure to tell them that the guy is cheating. LOL, what a fucking joke.
clearly you started this thread with some underhanded motive to discredit people who use bench shirts.
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