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the_clockwork
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are they curable to function in society?
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the_clockwork
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I've worked with a couple.. some even admit they are not curable
Powerbuilder333
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No, I don't believe most are.
All sexually compulsive people are a danger to society, IMO.
All sexually compulsive people are a danger to society, IMO.
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the_clockwork
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nefertiti said:
not all function with their penis. a girl can still be harmed w/ or w/o a dick
the_clockwork said:
As pedophilia has so much in common with the dynamics of addiction and of OCD, I dont think they can be cured. Probably the best we can hope for is similar to an alcoholic or meth addict who is in "recovery".
Chemical and physical castration does not work due to the strong element of addiction that seems to be a part of pedophilia. A collegue of mine used to treat sex offenders in the prison system, and the inmates would masterbate until they had physically damaged their genitalia, but that did not stop them either.
There was some talk of using aversion based treatment some time ago, but i dont know if that is still considered valid or not.
I have no problem with using what ever means to diminish the risk that pedophiles present to society. The real predatory serial pedophiles need to spend time in the big house where they will get plenty of empathy training by some big lonely black man or woman in prison.
However, the murderers will not tolerate being with the pedophiles, and often times if given the chance they will try to kill the pedophiles. That is why Dahmer had to be separated from the general prison population.
I personally thought that OJ, MJ and J Dahmer would have made great cell mates
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AAP said:
so he rose from the dead to tell the cops were he was killed? lol
but yeah maybe you are right about that, i faintly remember that dude...wasn't he asian?
still though, dahmer's focus wasn't on youngins. late teens early 20's
gaye out with them then eat their brains lol
from wikipedia
In the early morning hours of May 27, 1991, 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone (the younger brother of the boy Dahmer had molested) was discovered on the street, wandering nude. Reports of the boy's injuries varied. Dahmer told police that they had an argument while drinking, and that Sinthasomphone was his 19-year-old lover. Against the teenager's protests, police turned him over to Dahmer. They later reported smelling a strange scent, which was later found to be bodies in the back of his room. Later that night, Dahmer killed and dismembered Sinthasomphone, keeping his skull as a souvenir.
In the early morning hours of May 27, 1991, 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone (the younger brother of the boy Dahmer had molested) was discovered on the street, wandering nude. Reports of the boy's injuries varied. Dahmer told police that they had an argument while drinking, and that Sinthasomphone was his 19-year-old lover. Against the teenager's protests, police turned him over to Dahmer. They later reported smelling a strange scent, which was later found to be bodies in the back of his room. Later that night, Dahmer killed and dismembered Sinthasomphone, keeping his skull as a souvenir.
HumanTarget said:
You might want to check your facts on this one. Dahmer was separated from the general prison population as is common with the sex offenders. The hardened criminals who have taken human life feel it an insult to have to live with what they consider the ultimate scum of the earth--adults who rape molest and children.
Dahmer adjusted very well to prison life at the Columbia Correctional Institute in Portage, Wisconsin. Initially, he was not part of the general population of the prison, which would have jeopardized his safety. As it was, he was attacked on July 3, 1994, while attending a chapel service, by a Cuban whom he had never seen before.
Dahmer, the model prisoner, convinced the prison authorities to allow him more contact with other inmates. He was able to eat in communal areas and he was given some janitorial work to do with other teams of inmates.
For some incredible reason, he was paired up with two highly dangerous men on a work detail: Jesse Anderson, a white man who had murdered his wife and blamed it on a black man, and Christopher Scarver, a black delusional schizophrenic who thought he was the son of God, who was in for first-degree murder. It's not difficult to imagine how Scarver viewed Jeff Dahmer, who had butchered so many black men, and Anderson. It was a disastrous combination.
Christopher Scarver
On the morning of November 28, 1994, the guard left these three men alone to do their work. Twenty minutes later, the guards came back to find Dahmer's head crushed and Anderson's fatally injured body nearby. A bloody broom handle seemed to represent Scarver's statement on the subject. Jeffrey Dahmer was pronounced dead at 9:11 A.M.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/dahmer/21.html
The fact that Dahmer did not get the death penalty is a travesty of justice, and ironically he was killed in prison.
The only good thing to gain from keeping Dahmer and his ilk alive is to study them and to have them work the rest of their lives to pay for their own keep and for helping the families of their victims.
Giving guys like Dahmer and the other killers free room and board for life is not a deterant and it does not begin to even approach paying their "debt to society" when their victims familes go without and need so much support and treatment. The killer needs to be working to pay for those bills if they are going to be kept alive.
jnevin said:
Indeed. But I was responding to clockwork's incorrect assumption that I thought cutting off a penis would solve pedophelia. Castration doesn't involve the removal of the penis, so what he does harm with isn't the affected factor. it's his desire to do that harm.
However, 5150 does bring up an interesting factor about addiction, though it is my opinion that this part can be managed if the desire is there to do so. Without the chemical or actual castration, however, I consider it to be nearly impossible.
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nefertiti said:
It has been shown that genetics play a vital role in serial killers / rapists.. The whole nature vs nuture thing comes into play BUT from my experience I believe it's a chemical imbalance in the brain, or some kind of faulty wiring up there not solely their testostrone levels, there's no real way to prove this though other than looking back on the family which shows severe mental instabililty.. I understand castration but don't believe that would solve the problem
nefertiti said:
Probably more accurate to say the brain. I think what he is getting at is that molesters will use what ever means they can, be that fingers objects ect. Becuase of the strong element of addiction and OCD, castration just does not work that well. This all goes back to the fact that the biggest and most powerfull sex organ in the body is the mind. That is where it all starts.
My friend who treated the prison based sex offenders once told me that you could lop off a male sex ofenders penis and he would still find ways to masturbate himself to climax and to penetrate his victims.
This is why working with female offenders presents some real challenges becuse they like men do not need to use thier genitals to satisfy their urges to offend or to reach the pleasure that they get from sex with underage children.
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the_clockwork
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5150guy said:
exactly, sexual pedators may start off their "careers" to fulfill some sexual fantasy / urge but repeat offenders often are more into the control issue and the addictions they fulfill with any act with a child
HumanTarget said:
You care to explain this one HT? If you worked with this stuff on a day to day basis and saw the BS that goes on before we can get these sexual deviants off the streets, you might have a different perspective.
Having children disclose what some adult male or female did to them and then to taking the kid to the forensic docs to make your case is not for the faint of heart. The forensic work ups are pretty traumatic for children, and If you had to do this a few times, you might have a bit of "avenging angel" mentality. If by some stroke of bad luck this stuff were to strike a bit close to home-for example your daughter, son or neice, you might have a bit of an avenging angel mentality-- if not a vigilante justice mentality. Want to place a little bet on this should this unfortunate scenario ever occur?
If we as a society to not stand up for innocent children and protect them from these reprobates who will? If we dont protect children, we are a pretty spineless generation who deserves what we will reap from so doing.
It is a fact that is bourne out in the research again and again, in over 90 percent of the cases, by the time a sex offender, rapist, or pedophile has been caught, they have had multiple victims where either the incident/sex crime was not reported or that individual (the alleged perpetrator) was not connected with the particular sex crime.
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needtogetarmy
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I think electroshock therapy and ice pick lobotomies are the way to go with these freakazoids. I read an old manual a while back and it said electroshock can cure ANYTHING.
Just look at society now, there are more fuck-ups than ever, all because they banned electroshock therapy and ice pick lobotomies.
Just look at society now, there are more fuck-ups than ever, all because they banned electroshock therapy and ice pick lobotomies.
digimon7068
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your thread title is somewhat redundant. . .
and the answer is no. . .never. . .they should be neutered. . .
and the answer is no. . .never. . .they should be neutered. . .
Powerbuilder333
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The "urge" comes from the brain.nefertiti said:
Join the 21st century already.
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