Settle a Dispute for me ?

[Djimbe]

Im having an argument/wager , and I would like to have this Resolved here ...


1) Does Gear help one Recover , so , lets say that if you trained REALLY heavy one day you could get back up and do it agan the next day or 2 days later , where without it it would take you nearly a week ?

2) Would Gear help aid in Muscular Recovery for NON-Weightlifting activities such as Triathlons , or Mlitairy Bootcamp type shit ?

3) What drugs are the ones most noted for/best at doing such things ?

4) Are there Drugs that will Help you Increase Cardio ? If so , what are they ?

Yes , I do think that I know the answers to these questions already , just please help me end this silly Debate .

The basic premise of wich being :

Would steroids help a person to Train more if their Chief complaint about Training was the Physical Pain/Soreness involved , but they actually LIKED training ? In other words would the Pain itself be lessened , and the Recovery Time Shortened ?

Also , if anyone needs ANY Info on Martial Arts , includng great schools to go to , please Drop me a line and Ill return the favour .

 

[needtogetaas]

no pane no gane.plane and simpal.

 

[silverbackn]

Yes, AAS will help with recovery. As far as endurance activities, something like EPO or Aranesp (they increase endurance via the same mechanisms as blood doping I believe, increased RBC count). They aren't something people typically think of when they think of steroids, but they are definitely used in endurance type activities (cycling, etc).

 

[|3ossman]

1) Does Gear help one Recover , so , lets say that if you trained REALLY heavy one day you could get back up and do it agan the next day or 2 days later , where without it it would take you nearly a week ?

not to that extent, but for the most part, YES

2) Would Gear help aid in Muscular Recovery for NON-Weightlifting activities such as Triathlons , or Mlitairy Bootcamp type shit ?

YES

3) What drugs are the ones most noted for/best at doing such things ?

mostly all of them will increase recovery times

4) Are there Drugs that will Help you Increase Cardio ? If so , what are they ?

not sure what you mean about "increase cardio" be more specific

Yes , I do think that I know the answers to these questions already , just please help me end this silly Debate .

The basic premise of wich being :

Would steroids help a person to Train more if their Chief complaint about Training was the Physical Pain/Soreness involved , but they actually LIKED training ? In other words would the Pain itself be lessened , and the Recovery Time Shortened ?

YES, but if you're not taking in enough protien/calories, it may not help at all.

 

[Djimbe]

not sure what you mean about "increase cardio" be more specific

I mean make one able to Jog or Sprint longert , Swim longer , Go more Rounds in a Boxing Match ... you know , increase your Cardio ?

Am I not usiung the Correct Terminology ?

 

[silverbackn]

Any drug as far as I know will increase RBC count, i'm pretty sure this will increase endurance. I could be wrong, if I am flame away. It builds character.

 

[|3ossman]

I mean make one able to Jog or Sprint longert , Swim longer , Go more Rounds in a Boxing Match ... you know , increase your Cardio ?

Am I not usiung the Correct Terminology ?

in that case, i dont know. i dont do cardio, ive never researched or taken any drugs that would increase that aspect of your physical performance.

 

[silverbackn]

I said it before, EPO and Aranesp is what endurance athletes use.

 

[Falklands]

in that case, i dont know. i dont do cardio, ive never researched or taken any drugs that would increase that aspect of your physical performance.

Very helpful reply........

 

[|3ossman]

we were having a conversation, i was being honest, he asked me and i replied. your reply was even more useless than mine, dick. i was just being curteous and replying.

 

[Falklands]

we were having a conversation, i was being honest, he asked me and i replied. your reply was even more useless than mine, dick. i was just being curteous and replying.

Well thank you very much for clearing up absolutely everything. This guy will sleep easy tonight knowing your out there on hand to solve any complex questions that might arise. Good one!

 

[Djimbe]

Well thank you very much for clearing up absolutely everything. This guy will sleep easy tonight knowing your out there on hand to solve any complex questions that might arise. Good one!

Actually I askd FOUR questions , he answered two very well , one Vaguely and was honest in his Ignorance on the Fourth . MOST people cant swallow their Egoes long enough to ADMIT that they might be Ignorant about somethign , or even PART of a thing , and he was able to do so , thus saving me time .

Lay off . He was PLENTY Helpful .

I mean , unless you would like to actualy reply on topic and help yourself ???

 

[Falklands]

Actually I askd FOUR questions , he answered two very well , one Vaguely and was honest in his Ignorance on the Fourth . MOST people cant swallow their Egoes long enough to ADMIT that they might be Ignorant about somethign , or even PART of a thing , and he was able to do so , thus saving me time .

Lay off . He was PLENTY Helpful .

I mean , unless you would like to actualy reply on topic and help yourself ???

Hands up, I was out of line........

As for increasing your RBC, its got to be EPO. If however, you want to increase your strength as well for cardio like boxing them some Var would do alot for you too, especially if you are struggling to make the weight

 

[Djimbe]

no pane no gane.plane and simpal.

No one was talking about WASTING Gear and not Training till you Drop , man , were talking about making the next time you can Kill Yourself come along faster , man .

 

[Djimbe]

Hands up, I was out of line........

As for increasing your RBC, its got to be EPO. If however, you want to increase your strength as well for cardio like boxing them some Var would do alot for you too, especially if you are struggling to make the weight

Dude , Im a REAL Newbie , so can you use the Whole words ?


But as far as not being able to make Weight :

http://photobucket.com/albums/y40/Djimbe/

the Guy that Im lifting up is 198 lbs that night (He was Weighed in for a Muay Thai Fight that Evening) - Basically , Im a Man-Mountain !

 

[silverbackn]

Yep, you're a mountain man

 

[genarr3]

No they will not help your endurance. If anything they will indirectly hurt it. More muscle = less endurance, you see this all the time in MMA/Boxing.

They will help muscle recovery from weight training to some degree, however not as much as peeps think. They will not help CNS recovery, so you can not "train really heavy" and then expect a full recovery any faster then natural.

Steroids are for building muscle, that's what they do best.

 

[Djimbe]

No they will not help your endurance. If anything they will indirectly hurt it. More muscle = less endurance, you see this all the time in MMA/Boxing.

They will help muscle recovery from weight training to some degree, however not as much as peeps think. They will not help CNS recovery, so you can not "train really heavy" and then expect a full recovery any faster then natural.

Steroids are for building muscle, that's what they do best.

Im sorry bro but Im not able to Despute my Genetics any more than the next guy . All I can do is try to get help in the areas that I happen to need it in , you know ? When Im in GREAT Shape Im about 425-450 lbs . Theres HONESTLY NOTHING that I can DO about that short of Starving myself and crap like that , and I feel WEAKER ad gas FASTER at Lighter Weights , Despte what USUALLY happens to MOST people . Look HARD at my Photos , Im just NATURALLY this size , its not a product of trying . Im SUPPOSED to be this size . And Ive been on the Bench due to An Injury (auto-Pedestrian Collision where I was the Pedestrian) , nothign more , its just that its been three years , and its HARD to get back up the next day at thirty . WAY harder than it was at 25 . Especially since I was ALWAYS Athletic , so getting my Sedentary ass back in the Game is really the Issue here , if Honesty is permitted . And Im really no WORRIED about CNS Recovery , honestly - power Ive GOT .

TRUST me .

 

[_Yossarian_]

no pane no gane.plane and simpal.

lmao!!

please tell me this is a joke. If not, I think someone should repeat the 1st grade....

 

[LVTitan]

, however not as much as peeps think. .

that's the first time i heard genarr sound like a real person and not a machine !

 

[kbrkbr]

My cardio is always reduced when I'm on, even if it's only var. Test will make me huff like a steam engine if I'm not using anti e's to relieve the bloat.

 

[LVTitan]

bro have you looked into creatine ?? no flames either guys, but when i used to use creatine, i could hella feel the recovery quicker. always got a few more sets in before i was burned out too.. it does have it's place, i just don't use it when i'm on... hmm wonder if i should ....

 

[Djimbe]

Actually , in reference to this , no . I really only used Creatine right around hte time whern it first "came out" , and it really didnt suit my needs at the time .

 

[DIVISION]

They will not help CNS recovery, so you can not "train really heavy" and then expect a full recovery any faster then natural.

That's the only downfall of AAS, that they don't increase recovery of the CNS which would help for powerlifters.

The CNS is what give you your explosive lifts and raw strength.....

shame.....



DIV

 

[kahbab]

Im having an argument/wager , and I would like to have this Resolved here ...


1) Does Gear help one Recover , so , lets say that if you trained REALLY heavy one day you could get back up and do it agan the next day or 2 days later , where without it it would take you nearly a week ?

2) Would Gear help aid in Muscular Recovery for NON-Weightlifting activities such as Triathlons , or Mlitairy Bootcamp type shit ?

3) What drugs are the ones most noted for/best at doing such things ?

4) Are there Drugs that will Help you Increase Cardio ? If so , what are they ?

Yes , I do think that I know the answers to these questions already , just please help me end this silly Debate .

The basic premise of wich being :

Would steroids help a person to Train more if their Chief complaint about Training was the Physical Pain/Soreness involved , but they actually LIKED training ? In other words would the Pain itself be lessened , and the Recovery Time Shortened ?

Also , if anyone needs ANY Info on Martial Arts , includng great schools to go to , please Drop me a line and Ill return the favour .

i hope your not planning to take something into basic training because they search you at reception before you go. just thought i would let you know.

 

[Djimbe]

i hope your not planning to take something into basic training because they search you at reception before you go. just thought i would let you know.

Naw , bro , Im too big for the Army to Uniform - I seriously Doubt that they would take me !

 

[silverbackn]

That's the only downfall of AAS, that they don't increase recovery of the CNS which would help for powerlifters.

The CNS is what give you your explosive lifts and raw strength.....

shame.....



DIV

CNS recovery is grossly overlooked.

 

[Djimbe]

true , but not really an Issue when working on what I am .

 

[DIVISION]

CNS recovery is grossly overlooked.

When your CNS is fresh out the box your lifts are explosive and raw.....off the chain.

When your CNS is fried you are more sluggish and your lifts lack the same push and fire.

It's obvious for anyone who does heavy work with 6 reps or less on working sets.

CNS is the key to raw power.







DIV

 

[Madcow2]

Just some randoms:

Steroids do potentiate the CNS. Look at the use of milbolerone or cheque drops. I'm sure others have noticed the ability to focus more and work harder in the gym or repeat difficult sets without as long a rest period. Now as far as pure CNS recovery, I'm not so sure even though while on the drug it might seem like it. Just because your CNS is running on high octane or nitrous doesn't mean it will recovery faster from inroads made. I'm doubtful in general.

Anadrol in particular used to be termed the 'work capacity drug.' From what I gather the increased red blood cell count enhances recovery and ability to perform more work.

 

[DIVISION]

Just some randoms:

Steroids do potentiate the CNS. Look at the use of milbolerone or cheque drops. I'm sure others have noticed the ability to focus more and work harder in the gym or repeat difficult sets without as long a rest period. Now as far as pure CNS recovery, I'm not so sure even though while on the drug it might seem like it. Just because your CNS is running on high octane or nitrous doesn't mean it will recovery faster from inroads made. I'm doubtful in general.

Anadrol in particular used to be termed the 'work capacity drug.' From what I gather the increased red blood cell count enhances recovery and ability to perform more work.

I'm more concerned with the CNS in regards to low rep high weight working sets. I'm concerned with strength only, not muscle mass. I notice that my CNS is running high when I'm on Halotestin....that's the best for strength, IMO. I haven't tried cheque drops yet. Halo accentuates the CNS from what I can tell, the way it allows me to go up in weight is like no other AAS I've used.



DIV

 

[silverbackn]

When your CNS is fresh out the box your lifts are explosive and raw.....off the chain.

When your CNS is fried you are more sluggish and your lifts lack the same push and fire.

It's obvious for anyone who does heavy work with 6 reps or less on working sets.

CNS is the key to raw power.







DIV

I couldn't agree more. You can definitely feel it when your CNS becomes a little sluggish. I wonder if this is a protective mechanism as your body become systemically fatigued. I really don't know much about the proliferation of CNS recovery, it is interesting though. Does anybody know much about this?

 

[Madcow2]

I'm more concerned with the CNS in regards to low rep high weight working sets. I'm concerned with strength only, not muscle mass. I notice that my CNS is running high when I'm on Halotestin....that's the best for strength, IMO. I haven't tried cheque drops yet. Halo accentuates the CNS from what I can tell, the way it allows me to go up in weight is like no other AAS I've used.



DIV

Strength and aggression is the only human use for cheque drops. It is very short and fast acting. The liquid is taken sublingually before the event. It's fairly worthless in a traditional cycle with any type of dosing frequency but it fills the competitive niche. The Tyson ear-bite thing was rumored to be cheque drops.

 

[Djimbe]

Cheque Drop ???

WTF = ?

 

[Madcow2]

Google is your friend - this turned up fast but it's not an impressive description: http://members.fortunecity.com/gettinbig/id84.htm