??serostim Fakes??

[GENETIC_FREAK]

A question regaurding fakes for serostim gurus, Is there any evidence that there is a fake lot number besides MNK612a? There is another thread where a guy replies by saying there are "a lot of export fakes? Yet only one lot number is mentioned on the FDA page? Since the kits are an RX for a terminal illness(AIDS), anytype of counterfeit is huge news.......that would be like giving fake chemo drugs to a cancer patient. Im wondering if all the threads on fake serostim are typical internet gossip or can these claims can be substantiated. If so, why would the FDA not mention it?...................They are the leading authority on such matters---------------------------Freak

 

[gearedup50]

Notive kits are counterfited not fake and there is a difference! Fake means it is entirely not real and a bogus product... counterfit means it was not made by the manufacturer on the label and can still be real!

Alot of the export kits are real but know what you are looking for because there are alot of fakes!

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

Grearedup50:
I know the fake vs counterfeit means in "our" world but, in the world where the FDA functions, the product is either real or a felony. There is NO gray area for prescription drugs.

No offence but, you reply contains zero useful information. If there are " a lot of fakes" and one must "know what to look for", Im asking to be braught up to speed. What are the lot#'s to all these fakes? Why is there NO information on the FDA page other than lot mnk612a? Does "knowing what to look for" mean watching for the counterfeit features listed on the FDA page for lot mnk612a? I have seen a ton of export kits never one with the dark blue label affixed to the end of the carton (mnk612a) a red flag. Has anyone confirmed a counterfeit through the 888-275-7376 regulatory affairs line? Im looking for hard FACTS. Actual counterfeit lot #'s and distinguishable features. Real answers to these questions would help several members here-Freak

 

[gearedup50]

You must not understand what I said... just because it is counterfit does not mean it won't be the actual product, if it was fake (not real) then it would be useless but a counterfit can still contain HGH!

Looking up lot numbers will do nothing to tell if they are fake, it will tell a warning if they are counterfited or not!

Exports have no insert and no hologram, look to make sure it isn't a fine powder, it can be broken but usually not really crushed!

Calling some number when you get your export kit will do you nothing you have to know what it is your getting! What else would you like to know?

 

[gearedup50]

If you know this little of what to look for maybe you should get a hologrammed kit! You have to really know your source and trust him!

There are a couple guys selling the export kits that are very real and thats mainly what they sell!

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

Actually, I understand a "good counterfeit" vs bunk Thats not even an issue. Looking up a lot # on the FDA page DOES tell you if its fake ie #mnk612a The 888# I mentioned is a product information # and a # to call if one is concerned about receiving a counterfeit lot of serostim. If there are "lots of fakes" it would seem like at least ONE of these fake lots besides mnk612a would have made the fda medwatch and there would most certainly be distinguisable features other that the powder being a fine powder vs a cake. In addition, I have yet to see a thread from a member on this board where the member pissed + for pregnancy using serostim. Since hcg is probably the most common substitute for hgh, one would think we would see that type of thread if there are lots of fakes out there.

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

Here is where the thread goes on a tangent:

I asked what to look for and the only thing you mentioned was a fine powder vs a cake,,,,,,,not exactly a wealth of information. As far as trusting a source, the mnk612a lot made it on to the shelves in us pharmacies........the most trusted source one can get. You keep replying to this thread but, no real information IE(from lot mnk612)a "seperate dark blue label affixed to one end of the carton"............"label has straight cut corners".........."contains white powdery snow like substance and is sometimes stuck to the stopper".....the diluent vials used lower case letters in the lot# vs capital letters. These are nonsubjective distiguishable diferences between real and counterfeit. BTW, the point of an open forum is information sharing. If there are "lots of fakes" there will be lots of distiguishable sighns to look for which everyone can benefit from.

 

[gearedup50]

Labeling can be off on the vials, lot number not stamped on vials, crooked labels there are many ways to tell I am not sure how to describe it I just look at them and know! There is no set way that a fake might be made, if you know what a real one looks like then you will notice big differences!

I beleive the mnk612a was tested by someone a while back and it came to be real... not sure if it is one that I have ever used but I still heard it was real HGH?!

I still don't think you understand what I was trying to say... what you said earlier about them giving cancer patients fake chemo, if it was counterfit it wouldn't necessarily be fake and would still benefit them the same!

I mentioned a fine powder over a cake because that is the best taletell sign... although some real ones the disc can break but will still have pieces!

If you have one then tak a pictire of it and I will tell you to the best of my knowledge if its real or fake... if not then what are you gonna do about it if you order one and its not real? Then you are stuck with it or not... the best way is to take it and if you ever took GH before you will know the feeling and know if its real or not!

I can take a pic of mine if you want but its not an export it is a hologrammed kit and they also differ from the exports!

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

Let me restate, "I understand a good counterfeit vs bunk"

The issue is not whether i have a real kit or a counterfeit kit but rather to get guys to post actual distiguishalbe features they came across in all these fakes...including lot#s. I see dozens and dozens of kits per month I dont notice any big differences...............Someone else must have a thought or two on this topic?

 

[gearedup50]

Allright bro I stay on GH year round and I told you the things I noticed when I got a fake one once don't remember what else now I usually only get the ones straight from the pharmacy!

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

Bump for the Monday am crew

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

One last bump for input

 

[M.O.D]

#1....know your buying from

#2....don't buy export kits

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

MOD: Import kits are the hologram kits? Seems like those are the kits getting the big push? Also have you come across any fakes?

 

[M.O.D]

MOD: Import kits are the hologram kits? Seems like those are the kits getting the big push? Also have you come across any fakes?

sorry freak , i meant to say export...unless its from serono usa i wouldnt buy it.....and no i've never came across any fakes but they are out there

 

[gearedup50]

Why don't you like the export kits MOD? I am using ones straight from the pharm now but used a bunch of exports! I got only 1 fake kit and it was an export but other than that they were all real!

Make sure when buying the hologrammed kit you know what the vials look like I have heard of people replacing the real 18iu vials for 4 iu vials and putting new labels on them! Never seen it but heard it!

 

[IronFist]

I don't care, I'm using the import kits as we speak and seeing good results...

 

[ironmaster]

The "export" kits contain real GH in a fake package. The GH is generic chinese, which is fine, as long as it has been handled properly. That's the problem......people don't keep them refrigerated because Serono doesn't require refrigeration prior to reconstitution. If the product has not degraded, it will work for you.........ironfist apparently has good stuff.
Things to look for......Sero vials have blue caps and blue flip tops, anything else is suspect. Real Sero wafers are more tightly compressed.
Seriously degraded chinese will cause little infection spots at the injection site.

 

[IronFist]

The "export" kits contain real GH in a fake package. The GH is generic chinese, which is fine, as long as it has been handled properly. That's the problem......people don't keep them refrigerated because Serono doesn't require refrigeration prior to reconstitution. If the product has not degraded, it will work for you.........ironfist apparently has good stuff.
Things to look for......Sero vials have blue caps and blue flip tops, anything else is suspect. Real Sero wafers are more tightly compressed.
Seriously degraded chinese will cause little infection spots at the injection site.

That's where I knew I was ok with my gh. I had a friend who was using gh that he had left out for a couple days (it was a 28 or 30IU bottle) but he also got really bad bumps and irritaion around the injection site. Thankfully, i think mine are just fine. No numbness in my hands yet but it's only been 2 weeks and I'm using 4.5IU's per day...