Serious question: Why aren't my balls shrinking?

[casavant]

I'm almost through week five of my cycle. So far I've injected a total of 17.5cc Brovel T-200 and 7 cc norandren 200, as well as 20 mg TT d-bol for the first three weeks. I have not noticed any testicular atrophy yet, and my semen is still the same consistency it's always been. I've gained 16 pounds so far, so I'm pretty sure the stuff is legit. What gives (not that I want them to shrink)?

 

[Zyglamail]

Not everyone suffers from ball shrinkage and when they do it varies how much, just be happy the boys havent packed there bags and gone on vacation

P.S. Dont think that it means you are not suppressed, cause if the juice is real your HPTA is on vacation, even if your balls arent.

 

[METHYL MIKE]

My balls never shrink up, no matter what im on or for how long. Dont bother asking why, I have no idea whatsoever.

 

[casavant]

Not everyone suffers from ball shrinkage and when they do it varies how much, just be happy the boys havent packed there bags and gone on vacation

P.S. Dont think that it means you are not suppressed, cause if the juice is real your HPTA is on vacation, even if your balls arent.

Thanks for the replies fellas.

Zyg- I hear ya. I'm running clomid no matter what after I come off. If the balls are still there though, should I save my HCG? Also, how common is temporary impotence when coming off, even if proper clomid therapy is employed? My girl's coming back into town around that time...

 

[Zyglamail]

On clomid alone post cycle I crashed for about 7-10 days post cycle, with anastrozole during cycle and until done with clomid, I never crashed and could get it up all the time.

 

[casavant]

On clomid alone post cycle I crashed for about 7-10 days post cycle, with anastrozole during cycle and until done with clomid, I never crashed and could get it up all the time.

Couldn't the HCG help with the initial test boost, thus helping to prevent a limp schlong?

 

[Zyglamail]

HCG in and of itself does nothing to restore HPTA, it mimics hormones which in turn trigger the teste's into action. However they external supply prevents the body from porducing its own hormones to get the teste's going. The only positive thing is does is since it does get the teste's going after stopping HCG is will be like the teste's were shut down for a shorter period of time. You cant restore HPTA while actually taking HCG. I personally thing if your gonna use it you should due so during the last week or so of the cycle, then start clomid therapy as usual post cycle.

 

[casavant]

HCG in and of itself does nothing to restore HPTA, it mimics hormones which in turn trigger the teste's into action. However they external supply prevents the body from porducing its own hormones to get the teste's going. The only positive thing is does is since it does get the teste's going after stopping HCG is will be like the teste's were shut down for a shorter period of time. You cant restore HPTA while actually taking HCG. I personally thing if your gonna use it you should due so during the last week or so of the cycle, then start clomid therapy as usual post cycle.

Zyg, you're the man. Thanks for the info. (just for the record, I did research HCG to the point where I feel I have a working knowledge, it just helps sometimes to have specific questions answered). I appreciate your input. Thanks again.

 

[mvmaxx]

On clomid alone post cycle I crashed for about 7-10 days post cycle, with anastrozole during cycle and until done with clomid, I never crashed and could get it up all the time.

Great info!

 

[casavant]

So what the hell is that like? You're just not turned on, or you're turned on but the ole peter just won't work, or what? So some chick can be sucking on the thing and it still won't get up? Seriously.

 

[gwl9dta4]

HCG in and of itself does nothing to restore HPTA, it mimics hormones which in turn trigger the teste's into action. However they external supply prevents the body from porducing its own hormones to get the teste's going. The only positive thing is does is since it does get the teste's going after stopping HCG is will be like the teste's were shut down for a shorter period of time. You cant restore HPTA while actually taking HCG. I personally thing if your gonna use it you should due so during the last week or so of the cycle, then start clomid therapy as usual post cycle.

Hey zig incidentally the same applies to clomid, you can't actually restore the HPTA when on it either. HCG and CLOMid are good for restoring testicular mass after a cycle but NOT the HPTA,

So the best combo IMHO is a quick HCG therapy to restore testicular mass then followed by Nolvadex of arimidex to manage estrogen, as they will not interfere with HPTA recovery but manage the estrogen very well in the time being.

Nolvadex has also shown the ability to increase test production, so that makes it a very good choice post cycle.

 

[METHYL MIKE]

Nolvadex has also shown the ability to increase test production, so that makes it a very good choice post cycle.

I dare you to re-produce just one study that can prove your statement, and by the way, "Its true cuz Bill Llewellyn says so" ain't gonna fly.

 

[gwl9dta4]

I dare you to re-produce just one study that can prove your statement, and by the way, "Its true cuz Bill Llewellyn says so" ain't gonna fly.

The late Dan Duchaine said so also. Articles in MM2000 of European doctors perscribing it for overtrained soccer players said so as well. And yes Bill Llewellyn said so as well but you know what, all that does not mean much to me, because i have used it before Bill made his posts as part of my post cycle reocvery and guass what? It worked, big time.

So no matter what the opinion of anyone, i used it exclusively post cycle in high enough doses and it worked. Now if you tried it in high enough doses and it did not work, well then it's time to try something else, everyone is different. But the science is there, and i proved it on myself to myself.


No need to argue this people, if it did not work for you, move on to something else, if it did, great stick with it. But don't bash it because there may be people reading this for whom it may work for and will never give it a try because of the negative opinions.


Good day.

 

[xonic2xonic]

OK, sorry if I misread here. Was it put forth that clomid therapy is purely aesthetic in a sense that it will bring back testicular mass but not actually cause the body to start producing its own test again and therefore not effective in keeping gains froma a cycle !?

Thanks!

 

[gwl9dta4]

OK, sorry if I misread here. Was it put forth that clomid therapy is purely aesthetic in a sense that it will bring back testicular mass but not actually cause the body to start producing its own test again and therefore not effective in keeping gains froma a cycle !?

Thanks!

No i would not go as far as saying it will not help at all. But keep in mind that while you are on clomid therapy your brains sees your LU levels to be fine, therefore all compunds that have a mimicking affect of LU delay the actuall recovery of HPTA. But keep in mind that testicualr mass is very important in your recovery. but if you finish a cycle and your testicual mass is up to spec you may be better off just suppresing your estrogen during the post cycle period.

 

[xonic2xonic]

OK thanks for the info. My biggest concern (after is this fukin TT Deca bunk?) is keeping gains post cycle. So I have the clomid already, would you suggest adding Nolva or anything else (liquidex?) to this and if so what kind of dosage+time?

Thanks again!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

definately add some sort of armidex. i get no crash at all when I use this with clomid post-cycle.

 

[xonic2xonic]

Thanks... what dosage and how long do you run the arimidex? Also what kind of prices should I find on arimidex and varients? My source doesn't seem to have either and last time I remember arimidex being super expensive.

 

[gwl9dta4]

OK thanks for the info. My biggest concern (after is this fukin TT Deca bunk?) is keeping gains post cycle. So I have the clomid already, would you suggest adding Nolva or anything else (liquidex?) to this and if so what kind of dosage+time?

Thanks again!

Ok here is where running Deca is detrimental, it is a progesterone molecule, so all anti-estrogens will be useless and it has the potential to shut you down hard and for a while. I would not use any anti-estrogens while on a deca only cycle. Save them for post cycle recovery instead. Nolvadex post cycle is very good, Arimidex/Liquidex is excellent also.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

NOLVA.... MAY(in some cases..perhaps in those that do not respond to clomid or respond poorly)... restore test as binding varies by receptor subtype as well as isoform(and about a 100 other things that are not well understood).. however GENERALLY tamoxifin has very poor binding in the anterior pituitary which means that it has poor ability to upregulate LH by blocking E(and e metabolites as well as E chems) from binding.

Clomiphene is considerably better at this.

BTW- what the studies show is Nolva has poor binding in the AP and strong binding in the "chest"(which is why it is better for "gyno")

note- use of an aromatase inhibitor alone can restore test.

and progestins are EVIL (well at least to some)

 

[xonic2xonic]

Yeah I'm not sure what the deal is with this deca, I have no results and approaching week4. I'll be throwing winny back in week 6.

So what are nolva and arimidex post cycle dosages and # days?

Also, if you happen to know what the going rate is on arimidex/liquidex, my normal guy doesnt seem to have.

Oh one more thing, do both Nolva and Arimidex BLOCK the estrogen receptors as their method?



Thanks again!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

nolvadex is a SERM
it blocks estrogen.. it acts like estrogen in some tissues in others it has no activity (but still blocks)


Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor
it inhibits the conversion of aromatic steroids (test and Dbol) into estrogen