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serious question cholesterol problems

mr.nitro

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ive been having cholesterol issues and my doc gave me some meds (genfiberazol) and re-tested me. my rersults came back worse. im at nearly 300 with my cholesterol.

what can i do to lower this naturally? will synthol cause this elavated reading?

in going to be re-tested in 1 week, and the doc wants me to stop useing the meds she perscribed. id like to drasticly improve my cholesterol asap. im going to be droping my testosterone down to 250mg per week, I normally use 500mg between cycles. I just finished a cycle 3 weeks ago.

any advice?
 
I've got a buddy with high bp as well. He is a candidate for HRT. But, the doc says he has to lower his cholesterol first. You may want to consider some TRUE off time if it doesnt interfere with your sport...
 
With all of the new products floating around regarding legal anabolics many are left with questions regarding safety, efficiency, PCT, and how to minimize potential side effects.
This is written so to be somewhat of a guide to those that are interested in dabbling with these new hormonal substances on the market.

It is important to STRESS that if you are interested in using synthetic hormones whether legal or not that you must be prepared for the potential outcomes: positive and negative!!!

Nearly all of the new legal steroids out now are 17aa methylated orals. Only 2 come to mind that are not these are Max LMG and finagenx. But unfortunately they will be gone very shortly.

Steroids because unwanted effects and many are unsuitable because of this but for the most part there are ways to avoid or minimize them.

The most notable that come to mind are the damage that occur to the liver and MOST importantly your cholesterol levels!!!
I know your thinking what’s the big deal with having messed up cholesterol levels for a few weeks. Well there is actually quite a bit.

Cholesterol is responsible for your overall cardio vascular health and skewed numbers put us all at risk for heart disease. Ignoring this is just asking for a heart attack or stroke latter on in life.

The liver is one of the most important organs in the body and its main purpose is filtering the harmful toxins from your blood. When you introduce oral 17aa methyl steroids the liver tries to break the substance down to excrete it from the body, the 17aa mod done to the steroid makes it very hard to do this and thus the liver ends up producing too much enzymes for the liver itself to handle and it actually starts to cause damage.

Both of these harmful side effects are only able to been seen through bloodwork!!!

It is always important to do PRE and POST bloodwork to see how your body has reacted to the drugs and to see if you have recovered.

Fortunately there are certain supplements that we can take to prevent and lessen the side effects. But remember cardio is the very best preventative measure to take.


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Regarding cholesterol health (The list will be in order of effectiveness)

At the top of the list is niacin

The best form is sustained release
Next come the regular form (but be aware these two can and will cause the skin to become a flushed red for a few minutes after you take it) nothing wrong it’s just a slight side effect

There is however a version that eliminates this referred to as flush free niacin

A general dose for cholesterol health is around 1000-1500mgs daily but if using the flush free version a dose of 2000-3000 mgs is preferred as this version is slightly weaker acting.

EFAs
Are up towards the top of the list as well as they work very efficiently at cholesterol maintenance. These are referred to the Omegas 3,6,9 they are found in flax and fish oils which are most commonly used for bodybuilding purposes.

Red yeast riceDoseage:1200mg-2400mg Ed
Red yeast rice is basically fermented rice that shares the same active ingredients as the main stream prescription cholesterol lowering statins that are on the market. It is known to have a decent effect on cholesterol maintenance. However it is only beneficial to use for short periods of time such as up to 3-4 weeks before the cycle and continued throughout PCT. It should also be noted that this particular product is known to lower concentrations of COQ10 in the heart and liver so either a pre made supplement including this or additional supplementation of COQ10 at 300mg per day will be needed.


Sesathin

Sesathin is an excellent product that has many aspects that are beneficial to the bodybuilding community; one of these happens to be beneficial specifically for cholesterol maintenance and repair.

A short read up can be found at wwwdotavantlabsdotcom/main.php(dot to be replaced with a . to access)


Allicin:
An extract found in Garlic which is shown to lower blood pressure and lipid levels. It also has established reports of its ability to fight cancer. Purer forms of the extract are shown to be the best.

Policosanol:
Doseage: 10 -20 mg/day
Policosanol is made up of a blend of fatty alcohols known to be beneficial towards cholesterol maintenance. This specific supplement sometimes takes up to 3 months before full benefits start to show themselves and stacks remarkably well with EFAs producing a synergetic effect.


Fenugreek Fenugreek is known to help tremendously during PCT for HPTA recovery but also shows some slight benefits towards lipid health.

These are the most effective supplements currently available to us bodybuilders that benefit our goals while choosing to supplement with hormonal products.


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There is also the important factor of liver health when using steroids and more specifically oral steroids.

Milk thistle
Doseage: 1000mg Ed
Milk thistle is the most important supplement when it comes to liver health is actually detoxifies the liver and encourages new growth of liver cells to be made.


N.A.C
Doseage: 600mg-1200mg Ed
This amino acid is a precursor to glutathione which is an aminoacid like compound that is specifically known to prevent free radicals and help detoxify the liver it works synergistically with milk thistle.

Alpha lipoic acid
Doseage: 300-500mg Ed
It is a great all around antioxidant that helps other protective vitamins re circulate the body.

Liv 52
Is a blend of other ingredients used to treat liver troubles for centuries and while it does work IMO not to the potential of the other three ingredients listed.


If your thinking about using hormonal products why not spend a little extra money and do it the smart way!!! Minimize every negative side effect that you can because lets face it guys is a few extra pounds of muscle really worth risking your health over it???

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Next I will move onto the topic Post cycle treatment I will refer you to this thread as it is excellent advice!!! I only have a few things to add as newer legal supplements have recently come onto the market that are efficient Please read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

Now I actually prefer the administration of SERMs like clomid and nolva in the beginning stages of PCT as they will help your cholesterol levels greatly while restoring your natty testosterone production and they will also help guard you from negative estrogen sides like gyno(aka bitch titties) My method is usually the same as Pheednos as outlined in the above link but I continue using an AI for 4 more weeks after dropping the SERMs as Nolva/Clomid will ensure natty test levels are returned and even help cholesterol but they will only ensure normal natural test levels. An AI actually has the power to achieve higher than normal testosterone levels.


The new currently legal product is called ATD short for 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione it is a very effective AI(actually a metabolite of Aromasin a prescription steroidal Aromatase inhibitor) and it will restore your natural test production just as efficiently as a SERM will during PCT. The main down fall to using only an AI has the “potential” for continued cholesterol disruption as estrogen is beneficial to cholesterol and an AI reduces estrogen.


Regarding cholesterol health (The list will be in order of effectiveness)

At the top of the list is niacin

The best form is sustained release
Next come the regular form (but be aware these two can and will cause the skin to become a flushed red for a few minutes after you take it) nothing wrong it’s just a slight side effect

There is however a version that eliminates this referred to as flush free niacin

A general dose for cholesterol health is around 1000-1500mgs daily but if using the flush free version a dose of 2000-3000 mgs is preferred as this version is slightly weaker acting.

EFAs
Are up towards the top of the list as well as they work very efficiently at cholesterol maintenance. These are referred to the Omegas 3,6,9 they are found in flax and fish oils which are most commonly used for bodybuilding purposes.

Red yeast riceDoseage:1200mg-2400mg Ed
Red yeast rice is basically fermented rice that shares the same active ingredients as the main stream prescription cholesterol lowering statins that are on the market. It is known to have a decent effect on cholesterol maintenance. However it is only beneficial to use for short periods of time such as up to 3-4 weeks before the cycle and continued throughout PCT. It should also be noted that this particular product is known to lower concentrations of COQ10 in the heart and liver so either a pre made supplement including this or additional supplementation of COQ10 at 300mg per day will be needed.


Sesathin

Sesathin is an excellent product that has many aspects that are beneficial to the bodybuilding community; one of these happens to be beneficial specifically for cholesterol maintenance and repair.

A short read up can be found at wwwdotavantlabsdotcom/main.php(dot to be replaced with a . to access)


Allicin:
An extract found in Garlic which is shown to lower blood pressure and lipid levels. It also has established reports of its ability to fight cancer. Purer forms of the extract are shown to be the best.

Policosanol:
Doseage: 10 -20 mg/day
Policosanol is made up of a blend of fatty alcohols known to be beneficial towards cholesterol maintenance. This specific supplement sometimes takes up to 3 months before full benefits start to show themselves and stacks remarkably well with EFAs producing a synergetic effect.


FenugreekFenugreek is known to help tremendously during PCT for HPTA recovery but also shows some slight benefits towards lipid health.
 
If you do low carb-high fat you can drop your cholesterol super fast. I went from 238-139 in 8 weeks. HDL up from 38 to 48 in that time and triglycerides from 430 something down to 40.

Make sure you drop your carb levels to under 50 per day. Anything else after that is fair game. Of course good fats are what you want to focus on mainly, but to be quite honest, saturated fat is fine too.

mr.nitro said:
ive been having cholesterol issues and my doc gave me some meds (genfiberazol) and re-tested me. my rersults came back worse. im at nearly 300 with my cholesterol.

what can i do to lower this naturally? will synthol cause this elavated reading?

in going to be re-tested in 1 week, and the doc wants me to stop useing the meds she perscribed. id like to drasticly improve my cholesterol asap. im going to be droping my testosterone down to 250mg per week, I normally use 500mg between cycles. I just finished a cycle 3 weeks ago.

any advice?
 
Sugars and bad carbs fucks up your cholesterol for sure more than fat,
I strongly believe that while cycling limit sugar intake to post workout drink, the rest eat clean-it makes a big difference.

Also, a friend of mine does a low carb diet with high protein+good fats+cardio and he lowers his cholesterol better than being on meds! I agree with St8grad on this point, it works if you can deal with low carbs

For me, plant sterols work too, I dropped 40 points in a month taking them and doing some cardio

I would say Cardio is #1 though and with some dietary help you will be on your way
 
here are my results:
alt: 100
ast:47
ck:433 (this alarmed her the most, its supposed to show muscle damage, and the heart is a muscle)

colest:296
triglicerides:194
hdl:22
ldl:235
tsh:1.4

any feedback?
 
mr.nitro said:
here are my results:
alt: 100
ast:47
ck:433 (this alarmed her the most, its supposed to show muscle damage, and the heart is a muscle)

colest:296
triglicerides:194
hdl:22
ldl:235
tsh:1.4

any feedback?

Your HDL is WAY too low. Should be >40 the higher the better. Flax, fish and x-tra virgin olive oils will bring it up.
LDL and tri's are WAY too high. Red Rice yeast, policosanol plus the above oils will help. Cardio out the ass.
You may want to try Vytorin. It's a prescription statin drug that really whacks the LDL and Tri's.
 
policosanol? where do I find that? and how do I take the olvie oil. I don't suppose I take a teaspoon of the stuff.suppose I could toss some on a salad but that not going to ammount to much.

going to try and load up on omega3 fish oil caps and eat lots of tuna. and ill be doing cardio everyday from this point on to try to get things in check.
 
Welcome to the club brother. I'm genetically defective for cholesterol levels. Probably you are too and steroids are f***in you up without taking care of it. I refuse to start taking statins at my age so I researched some time ago about natty ways to lower it. I take almost all of the above and more. The first month with my new supps I went down from 256 to 225 total. HDL went up from 38 to 67!! After that, I haven't checked my levels. That was 6 months ago. But the other day, I did one of those home tests fot total cholesterol and it was 170; now I know they are not accurate as the lab test but even if they are 20 points of the chart, still would be a good result for somebody like me.
 
Do not go on a statin drug yet my friend. Don't forget you can do the lower carb just for a short time to get everything in check. The slowly move back to a more even split diet 40/30/30 but watch the breads, sugars, too much beer, etc. Prescription dose niacin will also raise hdl levels dramatically. Whatever anyone says about a low carb diet, the one thing that is not disputable is that is helps lipid profiles dramatically. Your LDL and HDL looks like shit and I would seriously consider an 8 week run on low carb. Cardio will help, but just like everything diet is 90% Don't forget that south beach was created by a cardiologist. Statin drugs and cholesterol may be the biggest fallacy or crime on the American people. I am not anti-medical by any means, but if there was ever a bigger fuck up than when they said that cigarettes were good for you, this is it.

But for you to make a good impact you need to get about 1.8 grams of fat per pound of bodyweight. The only way to do that is drop carbs. If you get fish oil from Costco you can take about 40 of them per day and not crush your wallet. Peanut butter, almonds, avocado, olive oil, pecans....eat them like crazy.

mr.nitro said:
policosanol? where do I find that? and how do I take the olvie oil. I don't suppose I take a teaspoon of the stuff.suppose I could toss some on a salad but that not going to ammount to much.

going to try and load up on omega3 fish oil caps and eat lots of tuna. and ill be doing cardio everyday from this point on to try to get things in check.
 
This might have already been said, but eat soluable fiber and as much as possible. Fiber helps clean not only your pipes but your circulatory system also.
 
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