Self-imposed HRT at 24.

[10001110101]

I am 24 years old, I recently completed my first cycle, I have been depressed for about 7 years, basically always run down, tired, unfocused, poor sleeping habits, etc. Anyways I recently completed my first 6-week cycle, and it was possibly the first time in my life I ever wanted to actually make something of myself, first time I felt like I was the person I was supposed to be, I felt like life was richer and everyone around me was better for it as a result. I was just happy with myself and yet working harder and getting more out of life than ever. College was a breeze, little things didn't get me down, I was getting laid regularly, I did little things to make my life better. I've been on many different meds for depression, tried the herbal therapies. I've used Prozac, Lexapro, Wellbutrin, SAM-e, DHEA, Fish Oil, 5-htp, everything out there to try to beat this thing. Depression has cost me so much already not to mention the years I should be getting the most of. When I came off cycle, I used proper PCT (clomid was a disaster, so i switched to aromasin) recovered fine after about 4-5 weeks and now I feel better than I did in PCT but I'm stuck back where I was before the cycle.

Pre-cycle I had my test levels checked they were midrange (around 500) anyways, what would be the implications of self-administered HRT of 250mg every 2 weeks? I understand I would be infertile during HRT and to have kids I'd have to come off and that I'd probably permanently limit my T production.

I understand that this is asking for something I'll have to do forever, but I'd rather do this forever than live the way I have been, my other options would be prozac forever with a limp-dick and countless other side effects. (not to mention SSRI's always left me feeling a little "unnatural") I dunno guess some feedback would be nice.

 

[galaxy]

You may have some under lying bipolar issues bro and it may not just be a depression issue. Thus, your talking a whole different array of medications.

Wellbutrin has no sexual sides and Klonopin will help prevent negative sides caused by SSRI's also.

As long as your test is normal when you come off you dont need TRT and I dont recommend at such a young age.

Basically, if its normal thats not a cause for the depression or fatigue. Its something else.

And the self imposed HRT will only be a temporary relief to your real issues.

just my .02..................................................

 

[10001110101]

Yeah wellbutrin didn't have sexual sides, but it caused anxiety, insomnia, and didn't really do anything for the depression. The prozac and lexapro both helped at first but eventually stopped working (probably because I couldn't maintain a relationship b/c of libido issues)

Anyways any medication is a temporary fix anyways, this is just a different medication, one that actually exists naturally. I understand it isn't perfect, but I'm willing to accept the compromises. What are the real long-term ramifications starting at a young age, anyone know anything about this?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Herein is one of the psychological manifestations of roid use. But whenever you use drugs to balance one problem out, the mind and body have a way of sidestepping it eventually. Then you still have the problem, plus another one.

Your life has just begun. There are a million things to experience. Don't do it on crutches. Keep bodybuilding. It's best thing on the planet for self esteem and mental stability. Get busy and stay busy. And don't look back.

 

[Varga]

This is very interesting. Having a test level of about 500 naturally is not so bad.....Did the doctor did any other testes? Like measuring all the other hormons and the free T as well. Testosterone testing by itself it's not complete it only tells you very little. What's amazing is that being on a cycle made you feel waaaay better than your natural testosterone.
Usually ppl have problems if their testosterone is low like 200 or so. However, you might have other underlying issues but also there could be a problem with your pituitary gland being lazy or something. That will put you on a rollacoaster ride with high/low test levels all the time. The reason I'm saying all this is that I've been through the same thing myself with the highs and lows till my pituaitary was getting very unpredictable how was working, mainly lacking the production of LH. Everything else was fine except the LH, very weird. Since HRT I'm feeling great, I'm not tired, moody etc.
It's fuck in great

 

[galaxy]

If you natural test is 800 why would you need TRT? If you get up over 900 the side effects only increase thats why we cycle. That being said when I did 1000mgs of test and 400mgs of Eq for about 6 months I actually improved my hdl and blood work numbers.

Theres so many variables bro.

how much do you drink?

do you spend the weekend doing the yao?

You pre dispositioned for bad cholesterol or a heart attack?

With increased bp those arteries will thicken bro....slowly.....over time

but again..............genetics

who knows

If anything, change the thread to "self imposed cruising"

but hey, if you dont have a problem with needles for life? Now remember you will be shooting that wrinkly old ass up at 80yrs old, so things may look different then?Lol

 

[rudy76]

Great advice Nelson.

Drugs in general taken over a long period of time; unless taken to fix a natural defficiency (for example lithium for bipolar disorder) will only ever make things worse.

10001110101, you're aware of your problem and your lucky enough to not have followed the path of addiction many of us have - don't add another problem - don't make it worse.

 

[galaxy]

and you dont have to come off to have kids bro.

 

[Varga]

If you natural test is 800 why would you need TRT? If you get up over 900 the side effects only increase thats why we cycle. That being said when I did 1000mgs of test and 400mgs of Eq for about 6 months I actually improved my hdl and blood work numbers.

Theres so many variables bro.

how much do you drink?

do you spend the weekend doing the yao?

You pre dispositioned for bad cholesterol or a heart attack?

With increased bp those arteries will thicken bro....slowly.....over time

but again..............genetics

who knows

If anything, change the thread to "self imposed cruising"

but hey, if you dont have a problem with needles for life? Now remember you will be shooting that wrinkly old ass up at 80yrs old, so things may look different then?Lol

There is always TESTIM if you don't like needles.....It actually works great even though is a pain to put that shit on all the time

 

[10001110101]

This is very interesting. Having a test level of about 500 naturally is not so bad.....Did the doctor did any other testes? Like measuring all the other hormons and the free T as well. Testosterone testing by itself it's not complete it only tells you very little. What's amazing is that being on a cycle made you feel waaaay better than your natural testosterone.
Usually ppl have problems if their testosterone is low like 200 or so. However, you might have other underlying issues but also there could be a problem with your pituitary gland being lazy or something. That will put you on a rollacoaster ride with high/low test levels all the time. The reason I'm saying all this is that I've been through the same thing myself with the highs and lows till my pituaitary was getting very unpredictable how was working, mainly lacking the production of LH. Everything else was fine except the LH, very weird. Since HRT I'm feeling great, I'm not tired, moody etc.
It's fuck in great

yeah i didn't get any hormones checked besides thyroid. yeah, and it's not like i felt like life was perfect or anything, i still got angry, sad, bored, everything, in fact my emotions were probably heightened, but it was different, they were clear and they made sense, i was actually in really dire financial straits but instead of getting down i felt motivated by the situation, i just felt alive i guess, anyone who's been depressed knows it's hard to describe, you seem normal and you more or less act like someone who isn't depressed if you're good at faking it, but there's just this constant heavy blanket over everything you do and you just feel trapped and suffocated. ALL THE TIME. it sucks. yeah sure occasionally stuff makes you feel good, but that good feeling is usually less than what you feel at baseline if you aren't depressed. it's a fuckin bitch.

i'm guessing if it is testosterone related it's gotta be low free test since my levels are in the middle of the range.
deadlifts are the only thing that feels good to me anymore.