Second Cycle

[jmaker]

Looking to start my second cycle in less then 2 weeks. I'm down to 190 lbs. 5'11.

My goal is to put on mass.

Weeks 1 - 4 100mg Anadrol 50
Weeks 1 - 12 750mg Test E

PCT - Nolva, Letro (if needed)

Would the extra gains I make with deca be that much more or would 750mg of test e be sufficient. Also, been reading and reading... I'm thinking maybe switch the Anadrol with DBol.

Thanks guys..

 

[bblazer]

750 of test is a lot. I would think that you could get by with 500.

B-

 

[sweed]

stats first - we got the hheight and weight, how old are you? how long have u been lifting?
750 is a lot for a 2nd cycle.
pct is not good.
read the pct stickies at the top.
thanks!

 

[jmaker]

Stopped for along time. Been lifting again steady for 3 years. 29 Years old. I will be following the recommended PCT. Using HGC on cycle etc.

 

[OMEGA]

stats first - we got the hheight and weight, how old are you? how long have u been lifting?
750 is a lot for a 2nd cycle.
pct is not good.
read the pct stickies at the top.
thanks!

ps what was the first cycle?

 

[needtogetaas]

Looking to start my second cycle in less then 2 weeks. I'm down to 190 lbs. 5'11.

My goal is to put on mass.

Weeks 1 - 4 100mg Anadrol 50
Weeks 1 - 12 750mg Test E

PCT - Nolva, Letro (if needed)

Would the extra gains I make with deca be that much more or would 750mg of test e be sufficient. Also, been reading and reading... I'm thinking maybe switch the Anadrol with DBol.

Thanks guys..

I would switch to dbols adrol sucks any way. Pct looks weak bro real weak. If ou really want to do it like that go ahead you can always come ask me for better once this one don't work. Hope it turns out alright for you though.

 

[jmaker]

The pct I will be running will be Nolva but I will be use hgc on cycle. No good?

My first cycle was omnadren 500mg /week and dbol.

 

[OMEGA]

Dbol would be better for sure.
Also Tes at 750 is HIGH

500 is kind the threshold limit for max results minus sides
Add more Clean Anabolics if added Growth needed

as far as PCT:


Research Chem PCT:

HCG 2000 ius E4D for 3 Doses
Aromasin ( full dose ED) With HCG and later CLOMID
Clomid 50 mgs ED after HCG for 4 weeks


Sound Composite PCT of Supps and Conventional R-Chems

3 shots 500iu HCG for one week
PP Test recovery stack
Unleashed
Post Cycle
Aromasin 15mgs EOD
Amplify02 workout days, LIPOFLAME cardio days

 

[needtogetaas]

Dbol would be better for sure.
Also Tes at 750 is HIGH

500 is kind the threshold limit for max results minus sides
Add more Clean Anabolics if added Growth needed

as far as PCT:


Research Chem PCT:

HCG 2000 ius E4D for 3 Doses
Aromasin ( full dose ED) With HCG and later CLOMID
Clomid 50 mgs ED after HCG for 4 weeks


Sound Composite PCT of Supps and Conventional R-Chems

3 shots 500iu HCG for one week
PP Test recovery stack
Unleashed
Post Cycle
Aromasin 15mgs EOD
Amplify02 workout days, LIPOFLAME cardio days

I think hcg should be thrown in the middle as the (must have category) I mean nothing can replace it.

 

[OMEGA]

Yes I agree

Still have not decided what camp is best

HCG has two camps of belief as we both know:

A)
ones that use is mid cycle or through out

B)
and the ones who save it near end

 

[needtogetaas]

Yes I agree

Still have not decided what camp is best

HCG has two camps of belief as we both know:

A)
ones that use is mid cycle or through out

B)
and the ones who save it near end

Ether way I think its something we all agree is most needed.

 

[OMEGA]

Yeah for sure.

HCG did not really become popular again till we all started talking about it together, and its VERY important indeed.

 

[sweed]

Right I remember (i think) needsize talking about how throughout was better and that during pct wasn't good. I forget the reason because it was years ago.
btw what ever happened to needsize??

 

[needsize]

still around bro, just busy with family
I'm too tired to remember exactly how to explain it, but from what I remember hcg is basically a false signal to your nuts to keep working, they keep producing but kinda like juice they are still shut down. So during the cycle works great, you can stay on for long periods of time with no permanent damage...I had two kids on 3000mg a week cycles....
but end the hcg 3 days or so before pct. I always follow swales protocol, 500iu 1-2x per week, throughout my cycle, taking breaks now and then to prevent desensitization. Before I did this, there was always a crash after my cycle before the clomid really did its thing, this way I never feel a crash

lol...just saw how old this post is, can tell I dont post much

 

[nickster#1]

I too would drop the abomb and do dbol at 30 to 45mg a day, splitting the dose up in 3 times aday. Also, start out at 500mg of test-e a week as 750mg a week is quite alot for just your second cycle. I would add another compound along with the test like deca as you say you are looking to put on some size...???? no need to run HCG throughout your cycle. Save it for your pct, that by the way needs some refining.
Some will disagree here, but I always ran nolva at 25mg a day throughout every cycle I ever did and never had a problem with gyno or the symptoms thereof. Nolva will block your receptors so that the test-turned-estrogen wont bind.
how long do you plan to run your cycle? I would go at least 15 weeks, and then do your pct.
1-4 dbol 30 to 45 mg a day
1-15 test-e 500mg a week
1-14 deca 400mg a week
1-18 nolva 25mg a day
17-20 clomid 50 mg a day, with day 1 at 200mg, and 50mg a day thereafter.
1-20 proviron at 50 to 100mg a day. after week 20, continue proviron at 50 to 75mg a day until your bloodwork comes back on the upswing. Proviron wil NOT hinder your recovery as long as you stay under 100mg a day, even after cycle and pct. When you go above 100mg a day, it can hinder recovery.
Proviron is underrated. It will increase your bodies affinity to utilize most of the free test durring cycle and also help with recovery and sex issues durring pct.

Just My .02

The pct I will be running will be Nolva but I will be use hgc on cycle. No good?

My first cycle was omnadren 500mg /week and dbol.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Personally, I've had great results jump starting with anadrols....

I'd probably do test prop. if it was me on my 2nd cycle....and 500mgs should be more than enough...

PCT: HCG, clomid, proviron

Might want to look into dermacrine in PCT...