Second Cycle really can't decide (cutting)

[Shmigly]

This summer i did my first cycle of sustanon250 @ 500mg/week for 8 weeks with adex EOD, followed by clomid / novla. Seemed to get quite good gains from it but also a lot of fat gained (kind of dreamer bulked).

Now i am looking at my next cycle which is to be of the cutting variety, I have researched quite a bit and it seems the best option for only pinning twice per week would be as follows;

1-14 500mg test enth per week
1-2 50mg anavar per day
8-14 30mg Winstrol per day(pill form)
8-14 30mg Masteron per day(pill form)

What are your opinions on this and will i only need adex throughout cycle or is there something else i need. My PCT will be clomid + novla again as i feel that worked well.

Stats 5'10" 180lb 25 years old training 3 years

 

[RickRock13]

There is no point in running Anavar for 2 weeks at the start. That will do nothing to add to the cycle.

 

[Shmigly]

its just so i can feel soemthing while i wait for test enth to kick in, also i fancy trying anavar

 

[timetogethuge1940]

var is much better served being ran on a back end of a cycle. but u have to run it for more than 2 weeks.
if u want to run an oral as a kick start you should think about t-bol.

 

[Shmigly]

I can only get alpha pharma and they dont do Tbol, what about Dbol good enough?

 

[Shmigly]

would 8 weeks boldenon @ 250mg for the start be a good or bad idea?

 

[MattJS]

Dbol will blow you up with water unless you drink LOADS of water and be careful about salt intake (ie any processed foods), most people think of it as a bulking drug but I've had success cutting on it, you would run it for weeks 1-4@ 25-30mg per day, as for the winstrol, minimum effective dose is usually 50mg per day, I'd forget the masteron since you already have two orals and three compounds in your cycle....

 

[Shmigly]

Dbol will blow you up with water unless you drink LOADS of water and be careful about salt intake (ie any processed foods), most people think of it as a bulking drug but I've had success cutting on it, you would run it for weeks 1-4@ 25-30mg per day, as for the winstrol, minimum effective dose is usually 50mg per day, I'd forget the masteron since you already have two orals and three compounds in your cycle....

How about for a revised cycle
either

1-14 test enth 500mg / week
1-4 Dbol 30mg / day
8-14 winstrol 50mg / day

or

1-14 test enth 500mg/week
1-14 boldenon 250mg/week
8-14 winstrol 50mg / day

which would be best in your opinion?

 

[RickRock13]

If cutting is your goal, I would leave the dbol out of this

 

[Goldenrod12]

I would run the var. for 8 weeks it's a slow acting steriod and I would throw some tren in there or primo instead of the mast.

 

[oxymoron]

Just stick with the test @ 500mg with 4-6 wks of winny on end. U'll be able to cut up nicely on that if ur diet is solid. Don't get the idea of running tren or primo in there. Just keep it simple and focus what ur eating.


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[Goldenrod12]

Tren is amazing I love it I would add that in for sure. But like he said your diet is the key more important than whatever gear your pn

 

[dylangemelli]

I would run the var. for 8 weeks it's a slow acting steriod and I would throw some tren in there or primo instead of the mast.

horrible advice... there's no need to exceed anavar for six weeks... running orals for 8 weeks is just not smart...

there is a big difference between tren and primo... mast is great for a cutting cycle if your body fat is 10% or below...



to the op... your all over the fucking place bro... if your trying to cut then you need to forget about dbol... if you want to kickstart your cycle then tbol would be great... anavar is best suited to be ran on the back end of the cycle... 2 weeks of anavar is a fucking joke... that's a terrible idea...

your pct is not good at all... did you get bloodwork done after your last pct?

 

[Goldenrod12]

Anavar is not liver toxic an is slow acting best results I have seen from me and friends has been 8 weeks

 

[dylangemelli]

Anavar is not liver toxic an is slow acting best results I have seen from me and friends has been 8 weeks

The fuck its not toxic... please stop giving shit fucking advice

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[RickRock13]

Anavar has less toxicity than other orals, but it is still toxic and will get your liver values out of range over time.

 

[Shmigly]

Just stick with the test @ 500mg with 4-6 wks of winny on end. U'll be able to cut up nicely on that if ur diet is solid. Don't get the idea of running tren or primo in there. Just keep it simple and focus what ur eating.


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Definitely dont want to mess around with tren etc on this, being as its only my second cycle and im a relative newbie.

Would you suggest possibly going upto 750mg/ week or just leaving it at 500 + the winstrol ? Thanks for all the replies guys really helpful

 

[Shmigly]

horrible advice... there's no need to exceed anavar for six weeks... running orals for 8 weeks is just not smart...

there is a big difference between tren and primo... mast is great for a cutting cycle if your body fat is 10% or below...



to the op... your all over the fucking place bro... if your trying to cut then you need to forget about dbol... if you want to kickstart your cycle then tbol would be great... anavar is best suited to be ran on the back end of the cycle... 2 weeks of anavar is a fucking joke... that's a terrible idea...

your pct is not good at all... did you get bloodwork done after your last pct?

like i say im not really totally sure what im doing hence asking for advice, I didnt get bloodwork done but its been around 3 +1/2 months since my last pin.

Nuts were gigantic on clomid / novla so it seems to have returned normal function although bloodwork would be a good idea before and after this cycle

 

[RickRock13]

I've already sent this stupid fuck packing. We shouldn't have any more problems from him

 

[timetogethuge1940]

just don't over think it. your diet, training, and discipline will be a lot more important to cutting than the gear you decide to run. and if you do those 3 things, what ever you decide to use will be a great benefit to help you keep and also put on muscle.

 

[Shmigly]

Ok thanks for all the opinions guys after it all i have decided to go with;

1-14 Test enanthate 500mg/week
8-14 Winstrol 50mg/day
16-18 Clomid 100mg/day + Novla 40mg/day
18-20 Clomid 50mg/day + Novla 20mg/day

 

[dylangemelli]

your pct is a mess... nolva is fucking garbage... also you have no supports listed and the cycle is just very incomplete...

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
7-14 hcg 500 ius week or hcgenerate
9-14 winstrol 50 mg day
9-14 n2guard

pct
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-18 daa powerchews or powder

 

[Texas Monster]

I wish I still had my blood tests to show how toxic var really is.......dont let anyone tell you that it is not.

 

[dubbzero]

It's toxic that's for sure. But nowhere near as toxic as winny. After 5 weeks of car my liver enzymes almost doubled and were just a little past abnormal. With winny it was triple that so var ain't that harsh on the liver but will do some harm.