Second Cycle Advice

[Pump2356]

Hey guys,

I just completed my first cycle of testosterone enanthate at 250mg every 5th day for 9 weeks , and am about to start my pct soon. I gained about 14 lbs and will see how much I keep after pct. Strength went through the roof and muscles were bulging out everywhere even through my 17% bf I could see them I think I may have lost some bf too.
The thing that I found strange was the test enanthate hit me hard and strong right away...my nipples were tender on the second week( i added nolvadex at 20mg throughout when this occured), strength, weight, and recovery went up A LOT on the first 2 weeks which I thought was odd because many say it takes 4-5 weeks to kick in . By the 7-8 weeks I felt the weight gains haulting( kept upping my calories as much as possible ) and strength not as strong. Pimples on my back and shoulders kept getting worse by those weeks though and didn't have the same crazy energy I had from weeks 1-7. So I decided to just rap it up on the 9th week. Has anyone felt this way before too and liked shorter cycles than the 10-14 week ones? I would have thought I took propionate but it was legit enanthate by norma hellas.

my current stats are:
5'5
185.6lbs (171.3 before cycle)
23m

My next cycle I was considering the following:
Test enanthate 500mg a week(8 weeks)
Primobolan 200mg a week (8 weeks)
nolvadex at 20mg throught cycle if needed
Nolvadex for pct at 20mg for 5 weeks.

Would primo at 200mg be to low for me?

I would like to gain about 10lbs of quality muscle that I can keep on this next cycle.

Can anyone give me some good suggestions on using a stack of primo and testosterone for this goal...I'm more interested in the long term quality of the gains than the quanity since it's for sports.

Thanks!!

 

[holy ghost]

without reading all the cluster

this is a good thread because it helps people realize 250mg for a first cycle is enough for solid gains

if you want great endurance and keepable gains
1-16 500mg test
1-16 400-600mg EQ

eq is fun if you dont have anxiety issues

 

[Pump2356]

without reading all the cluster

this is a good thread because it helps people realize 250mg for a first cycle is enough for solid gains

if you want great endurance and keepable gains
1-16 500mg test
1-16 400-600mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate -

Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is fun if you dont have anxiety issues

I would love to try eq but I don't want to add in another drug that aromatize since I found out I am very sensitive to estrogen, plus I'm only an a pharm guy and don't have access to fort dodge or ganabol eq if I were to try eq by itself.

 

[10001110101]

if you are sensitive to estrogen, don't bump the test up to 500/wk next time w/o aromatase inhibitor. (e.g arimidex, femara)

i dunno if everyone will agree w/ me but maybe something like

250 e5d test-e
400/wk equipoise
0.5mg arimidex ed throughout

equipoise does aromatize but at a lower rate than test, so if you don't up the test but add equipoise plus an aromatase inhibitor, you shouldn't have much more (possibly less) estrogen than your first cycle.

or

250 e5d test-e
400-600mg/wk primo (UG) 200-400mg/wk (pharm grade)

the problems i hear regarding primo is unknown quality... more often than not it's a fake, if its UG its probably underdosed... if you have legit pharm grade primo you could probably do well with 200-400mg/wk on top of the low dose test-e

if you keep the test the same as your last cycle you'll still be getting the gains you got from your first cycle plus whatever gains you get from the primo or whatever.

you could also do something like

test-e 500mg/wk @ 2x weekly injects
last 4-5 weeks winstrol or anavar 25-50mg ed
arimidex 0.5mg ed throughout

winstrol and anavar shouldn't be run for extended periods of time because of liver toxicity as well as the profound effect they have on your cholesterol profile

 

[needtogetaas]

Hey guys,

I just completed my first cycle of testosterone enanthate at 250mg every 5th day for 9 weeks , and am about to start my PCT - post cycle therapy - soon. I gained about 14 lbs and will see how much I keep after PCT - post cycle therapy - . Strength went through the roof and muscles were bulging out everywhere even through my 17% bf I could see them I think I may have lost some bf too.
The thing that I found strange was the test enanthate hit me hard and strong right away...my nipples were tender on the second week( i added nolvadex at 20mg throughout when this occured), strength, weight, and recovery went up A LOT on the first 2 weeks which I thought was odd because many say it takes 4-5 weeks to kick in . By the 7-8 weeks I felt the weight gains haulting( kept upping my calories as much as possible ) and strength not as strong. Pimples on my back and shoulders kept getting worse by those weeks though and didn't have the same crazy energy I had from weeks 1-7. So I decided to just rap it up on the 9th week. Has anyone felt this way before too and liked shorter cycles than the 10-14 week ones? I would have thought I took propionate but it was legit enanthate by norma hellas.

my current stats are:
5'5
185.6lbs (171.3 before cycle)
23m

My next cycle I was considering the following:
Test enanthate 500mg a week(8 weeks)
Primobolan 200mg a week (8 weeks)
nolvadex at 20mg throught cycle if needed
Nolvadex for PCT - post cycle therapy - at 20mg for 5 weeks.

Would Primobolan - methenolone - at 200mg be to low for me?

I would like to gain about 10lbs of quality muscle that I can keep on this next cycle.

Can anyone give me some good suggestions on using a stack of Primobolan - methenolone - and testosterone for this goal...I'm more interested in the long term quality of the gains than the quanity since it's for sports.

Thanks!!

why not take some time off and then do the exact same cycle over again...why change it if it worked for you.ding ding.

 

[Pump2356]

if you are sensitive to estrogen, don't bump the test up to 500/wk next time w/o aromatase inhibitor. (e.g arimidex, femara)

i dunno if everyone will agree w/ me but maybe something like

250 e5d test-e
400/wk equipoise
0.5mg arimidex ed throughout

equipoise does aromatize but at a lower rate than test, so if you don't up the test but add equipoise plus an aromatase inhibitor, you shouldn't have much more (possibly less) estrogen than your first cycle.

or

250 e5d test-e
400-600mg/wk Primobolan - methenolone - (UG) 200-400mg/wk (pharm grade)

the problems i hear regarding Primobolan - methenolone - is unknown quality... more often than not it's a fake, if its UG its probably underdosed... if you have legit pharm grade Primobolan - methenolone - you could probably do well with 200-400mg/wk on top of the low dose test-e

if you keep the test the same as your last cycle you'll still be getting the gains you got from your first cycle plus whatever gains you get from the Primobolan - methenolone - or whatever.

you could also do something like

test-e 500mg/wk @ 2x weekly injects
last 4-5 weeks winstrol or anavar 25-50mg ed
arimidex 0.5mg ed throughout

winstrol and anavar shouldn't be run for extended periods of time because of liver toxicity as well as the profound effect they have on your cholesterol profile

I might consider just keeping the testosterone the same and do 400mg of schering primobolan for 8 weeks.
Thanks.

 

[10001110101]

I might consider just keeping the testosterone the same and do 400mg of schering primobolan for 8 weeks.
Thanks.

if you have legit schering yeah, 400 will be plenty, you will probably respond well, come out more vascular and cut.

remember to take a good amount of time off, see how things go with PCT make sure you get yourself normalized before going back on.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I might consider just keeping the testosterone the same and do 400mg of schering primobolan for 8 weeks.
Thanks.

Better.

Or, just switch those daosage. 500 Primmo, 200 test. Then you won't need the Nolva which will just hinder gains. Add a natty supp (POST CYCLE, DERMA, CYCTOGENX) and you should be fine.

 

[xrsist]

why not take some time off and then do the exact same cycle over again...why change it if it worked for you.ding ding.

agreed. get thru your pct first and see how much you keep then in 10 or so weeks start thinking about what to run next. dont worrrie about 2nd cycle just yet. all your attention should be on your pct and of course which chick your gona fuck next!

 

[Pump2356]

Yeah thanks guys. PCT will be loads of fun. I hope it won't be too bad since I didn't take a very high dosage or long duration of a cycle.

 

[xrsist]

you should give amp 02 a try during your pct, from all reports its been an excellent pct must have

 

[Mrpumped]

Yeah thanks guys. PCT - post cycle therapy - will be loads of fun. I hope it won't be too bad since I didn't take a very high dosage or long duration of a cycle.

Now that all the talk about your cycle is done, what does your pct look like?

 

[Pump2356]

Now that all the talk about your cycle is done, what does your PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - look like?

20mg of tamoxifeno for 4-5 weeks

I'm still currently on it at 20mg a day for the sensitive nipples I was having. pct begins in 4 days.