i guess you guys see a picture that i dont.........cause i didnt see a before pic and the pics i did see i guess were the after pics. i really dont want to come across as an ass but its hard not to. remember bro you put it up there for people to say comments.....you have no real back, tri's, bi's, chest, shoulders. i guess if your asking if you have a base then yes you do but i cant see 16 weeks of work unless i see before pics. granted im not one to talk but i also dont come on here telling people to see me. i will post some pics someday and you will have you chance too. but you also need to gain some more mass to shread also.