S-4 as part of PCT

[Headholio]

Why would they not let HCGenerate into the country? It's not even hormonal. Is there a specific ingredient in it that's not allowed?

 

[Essie]

Do you have any numbers to back up your claim? Or do you only rely on "feelings"?

My PCT with S4 (ca. 20-50 mg/day), after a cycle with ANAVAR:

5th February 2010, immediately after the end of the cycle, when I was "tapering" the Anavar dose down to 10 mg/day:
Testosterone 11,3 ng/dl (almost 100% suppression)

Between 10th-14th February I was taking 10 mg Anavar+S4, and then only S4. I started at ca. 20 mg/day, and in mid-March, I was using ca. 35 mg/day. This dose proved to be barely anti-catabolic.

15th March 2010:
Testosterone 132,1 ng/dl

In late March, I went up to 45-50 mg/day, which finally brought very good results, especially as for strength endurance.

I stopped using S4 on 16th April 2010 and continued on 1 mg anastrozole/day.

5th May 2010:
Testosterone 424,6 ng/dl

I definitely finished with anastrozole on 29th May.

So, as you can see, doses of S4 in the range of 20-35 mg/day didn't interfere with the recovery of testosterone at all, especially when you take into consideration that the testosterone concentration was on the level of a castrated male and we could suppose that it would take several months to regenerate without ancillaries. But I must also add that S4 at such doses was barely effective. I believe that I could take around 40 mg/day without affecting my testosterone recovery in a significant way.

Thanks for the reply and info as it shows another side of the coin, which I appreciate, however, the part about relying on a feeling is not called for, cocky, arrogant and not well received on EF. We all have our questions, and you could have simply stopped at "Do you have any numbers to back up your claim?" ... the rest is kind of childish.

 

[Essie]

Why would they not let HCGenerate into the country? It's not even hormonal. Is there a specific ingredient in it that's not allowed?

Wish I had a clue ...

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

S4 with an anti-estrogen shouldn't be a problem. The level of suppression at 50 mg/day obviously isn't much dramatic. You are very feisty, by the way.

 

[bigbassturd]

S4 with an anti-estrogen shouldn't be a problem. The level of suppression at 50 mg/day obviously isn't much dramatic. You are very feisty, by the way.

Passionate, not feisty.

Read around, Dylan and Essie both know a good bit about what's what.

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[dylangemelli]

S4 with an anti-estrogen shouldn't be a problem. The level of suppression at 50 mg/day obviously isn't much dramatic. You are very feisty, by the way.

bro, this is completely false... s4 should never be ran in a pct at all... ostarine is fine but not s4... it is suppressive and running an AI with it will have no impact on your recovery... the bloodwork on the ones that have ran s4 in pct has shown that its further suppressed them... trust me, i have a pretty good amount of time put into sarms and s4 should NEVER be ran in pct...

 

[RickRock13]

Dylan is right. S4 in PCT is a huge fail. Suppression and recovery are counterproductive to each other

 

[Essie]

S4 with an anti-estrogen shouldn't be a problem. The level of suppression at 50 mg/day obviously isn't much dramatic. You are very feisty, by the way.

LOL!!!!! Thanks again for the attempt, but if S-4 is suppressing your HPTA, even in the slightest, then it makes no sense to run it during PCT. Remember, in PCT you are trying to RESTORE the full functionality and RESTORE your HPTA, not suppress it even in the slightest way. Yes, if you use S-4 with an Anti-E like you suggested during a cycle, for instance, it would be fine, but not during PCT, you dig?

Sorry if you feel I'm feisty, but the response you posted just really got to me when you added the part about "feelings" in there. We are all grown men (and women) here and that is something which is not needed.

I am VERY passionate about steroids, I think they are WONDERFUL and can be used SO much better in life than what most governments allow us to my passion DRIVES me to assist people and try and guide them in the right direction. I respond with respect and dignity when someone posts a question, so does Dylan, though he swears a bit more than me and I expect that level of maturity from everyone on this forum. When that is not present, I promise you I will be VERY QUICK to pound on you and get you responding in the right way, of have you banned from this site.

Now, I do not like typing messages like this, because the other person cannot see my face or hear my tone of voice, so you could interpret this in the wrong way, but I promise you this is all said with honesty and sincerity.

 

[Essie]

Passionate, not feisty.

Read around, Dylan and Essie both know a good bit about what's what.

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Thanks you ol' bastard you!

 

[Essie]

bro, this is completely false... s4 should never be ran in a pct at all... ostarine is fine but not s4... it is suppressive and running an AI with it will have no impact on your recovery... the bloodwork on the ones that have ran s4 in pct has shown that its further suppressed them... trust me, i have a pretty good amount of time put into sarms and s4 should NEVER be ran in pct...

Indeed, makes no sense to run it ... even with an AI.