Running Pct After Potentially Fake Gear?

[alexbowley247]

Hey guys, last test e injection is tonight, after 12 weeks on test e at 500mg/week iv gained pathetic 6lbs and strength has barely differed, the increase in lifts could have been acquired from training naturally. But, who knows, i want to run a pct just in case. Is there any risk of running it if im not even shut down? Help will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Judo Tom]

first id go get bloodwork done. that will tell you what really happened.

and yes run a full pct. cant hurt.

 

[alexbowley247]

I cant really get bloodwork done, family's extremely familiar with my doctor, im not sure how to go about it either here in the UK?

I know the sensible thing would be to get bloodwork done, and i intend to after my PCT, and make up some ludicrous excuse as to why i feel the need for it, but is it safe to run my PCT yeah? Even if i haven't been shut down?

 

[Judo Tom]

yes its safe.

 

[C.K.]

we're you horny at all during? if not I wouldn't even bother as you were probably just shooting grapeseed oil...

 

[alexbowley247]

Skin felt a bit oily, thats it

The test i have (BD testabol 250mg/ml)<<(tell me if im not allowed to write that) matches up on the site, the code says its legit, but surely for my first cycle i should have gained more? Even with a shitty diet (which it was not) my strength should have shot up?

 

[C.K.]

Some people don't react that great to test I also only gained around 5 lbs on 750 mgs sust... all it makes me is horny to tell you the truth but if it didn't effect your libido I'd say it was fake... either way a bottle of POST CYCLE/UNLEASHED is pretty damn cheap and prob worth being safe then sorry again...

 

[alexbowley247]

Meh, that sucks could you suggest another cycle/compound to look into for the future?

I have pct lined up already

 

[stevesmi]

bro you must get bloodwork before and after EVERY cycle.

its mandatory unless you dont care about your HPTA or health.

 

[alexbowley247]

I will remember to do so for future cycles, its not really common practice around here so didn't think to do so, school boy error.

If i dont react well to enanthate, does this mean it'll be the same for prop and cyp? What a depressing first cycle this has turned out to be haha

 

[Judo Tom]

could you give us your full stats.. age height weight experience etc etc

 

[alexbowley247]

Age:22
Height: 5'8
Weight: 184lbs at 11-12% Body fat
Squat: 180kgx8
Bench: 120kgx5 (only recently got back into bench)

Been training for almost 2 years now, i know it is not a long time and i perhaps should have waited until i started a cycle but i feel as though i have enough knowledge, both on training and aas, to run a successful cycle.

 

[Judo Tom]

do yourself a favor and stay natural for a few more years.

 

[alexbowley247]

That's a pretty ignorant answer, it's answers like that, that give these boards a bad name.

 

[stevesmi]

when you gain experience over time you will be able to spot underdosed or bunk gear from a mile away.

i've gone through it myself but i made the most of my cycle anyway

 

[alexbowley247]

when you gain experience over time you will be able to spot underdosed or bunk gear from a mile away.

i've gone through it myself but i made the most of my cycle anyway

Dude if you seen the gear you'd think it was legit, came in a sealed plastic package, product batch number matched up on the website, looked the real deal. Feeling pretty down if i'm to be honest, im actually hoping its fake so i actually gain off future cycles.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ i'm saying you would know when you use it that its bunk

 

[Judo Tom]

That's a pretty ignorant answer, it's answers like that, that give these boards a bad name.

you are 22 with 2 years of training experience and you are calling my answer ignorant. you also ran a whole cycle where you are not even sure if the gear is real.

first even if you had never touched roids and just asked about them we would say wait it is in your best interest. than you say youve only trained 2 years so we would say wait. train longer and gain a base, get some real experience sticking to a routine and being able to make gains long term and stick to a diet that works as well.

but then you say you did a cycle and your not sure what you did or if it was real.

i really dont think that is an ignorant statement and i definitely dont think THIS BOARD has a bad reputation. THIS BOARD has the most KNOWLEDGEABLE and HELPFUL mods and posters around.

It would be real easy to just say ohh bro take this take that and you will get HUUUUGEEEE but sorry we dont take the easy way out. I am trying to give you the best advice long term advice.

again spend a few years focusing on diet and nutrition and then rethink the roids.

 

[alexbowley247]

To stevesmi I get you now, but obviously because this was my first cycle iv been unaware of how i should feel while 'on'

Judo Tom, the source i used was a trusted friend, the code on the vile matched up on the website, the cap on the vile was intact, i had no reason to believe it was fake, and no past experience to compare it with. Iv been accused of using gear before, i already have a base to work with, i could put up a pic if you like?

As for the board, iv seen some poor advice, for example "ensure you're eating regular meals ever 2-3 hours" when its been proven that that's not necessary and has no effect on protein synthesis or body composition.

 

[Judo Tom]

look its a combo of many different things as to why I said you should wait.
1 your age - you can still mage huge gains naturally
2 your training experience - you made good gains in 2 years you can make great gains in 5 naturally

honestly that is enough. its not ignorant at all sorry if its not the answer you wanted. maybe i shouldve just said hey next time double your dose and stack w/ deca. you will get huge. sorry.

but then on top of it is your recent cycle
1 no bloodwork before hand - especially considering your age you really should have done this. you know have no idea when you are fully recovered or close to it after pct without knowing what your baseline blood results are.
2 no bloodwork after - so now you still have no idea if it was fake gear or just a bad first cycle.
3 not knowing if pct is safe after possible fake - if you had spent more time on the boards or reading researching pct you would know you that there are many 'pct' protocols you can run.
4 not knowing if it was fake or not. - either its fake and you didnt know what was going on in your own body because of lack of training experience and age or it wasnt fake but due to your training experience you did not have a good first cycle.

look you came here with a question and looking for advice take full advantage of all the different opinions that are out there and make your own decisions. just realize mistakes happen learn from them and improve plain and simple

 

[stevesmi]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/low-lh-fsh-combined-bit-high-t-level-753841.html

alex look at this thread... look where this guys LH and FSH are. he is shutdown. this is why its important to run bloods before your cycle so you know where your baseline is. run a blood test ASAP, if you get these types of results then your gear is legit, you just do not react well to roids.. and i would take judo's advice and train naturally for a while, let your receptors clear out... then try again in a year or two. you do not have to rush, you won't even peak till your mid to late 30's trust me.. the strongest dudes at my gym are in their mid 40's

i am natural for the rest of the year.. i was natural the first 12 years i lifted. and i still made gains. don't let your friends pressure you into juicing, a lot of times the advice they give are not accurate.. they just want to seem like they know what they are talking about and will tell you anything to make themselves look smart.. thats just human nature