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Rumsfeld's speech

gymnpoppa said:

Of course the public will be influenced by this type of vague, unsubtantiated propoganda, if the same people, (shrubs) keep saying the same thing over and over. At least the dumbasses who don't have a clue, or the intelligence to do some research, or those who have never served in the military......overseas in the M E.


Wow, you're so smart and have everything figured out. Those who are seriously considering making a move against Iraq are just dumb followers duped by Bush's smoke and mirrors. Included amongst the misled are the majority of the U.S. Senate, most of the polled American public, The heads of state of the U.K., Canada, Russia and Italy, and most of the U.N. security council.


It's a shame non of the aforementioned are as intelligent as you are, maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess.
 
The resolution to require Saddam to honor the UN-mandated disarmament is a lot different from a national resolution granting Bush unilateral powers. Nice spin, TTl, as always.
 
if september 11th never happened, and bush went before the american people telling them he had substantial evidence that al-qaeda was going to hijack american planes and fly them into building, would you support a pre-emptive strike? most likely not.

do we need a few extra thousand dead americans to convince you?

and how come all of the democrats were all for using military action against iraq during the clinton administration, but now they suddenly did a 180?
 
p0ink said:
if september 11th never happened, and bush went before the american people telling them he had substantial evidence that al-qaeda was going to hijack american planes and fly them into building, would you support a pre-emptive strike? most likely not.

do we need a few extra thousand dead americans to convince you?

and how come all of the democrats were all for using military action against iraq during the clinton administration, but now they suddenly did a 180?


Excuse me for being off the boards for a few days......but part of this is already answered in my post. You need to reread it. As for the pre-sept 11th intelligence reports, maybe the information WAS there.....maybe you can explain why the families of the victims had to go testify, and threaten this administration with public appearances about the LACK of effort to find out why our intelligence failed. Explain the aboutface by Bush....and your reluctance to post on some other threads (factual) about this administration's dealings with Iraq. Do a search, the information is readily available.

I'll answer your questions when you answer mine, stop ducking.
Also, do you plan to enlist in the military?

By your comments, it's obvious you either don't know that previous administrations have lied about incidents to justify a war,
or you can ignore that and continue your normal pattern of commenting on issues that are favorable to your thoughts.

As for your IF theory, I'd expect the president, CIA, FBI, and other security agencies to do their jobs, and catch these perps, BEFORE they act. It's obvious there was information out there, maybe not enough to stop, but maybe there was. Definitely was enough to stop at least parts of it..........which is pre-emptive work, not cutting the budgets (Ashcroft) to fight terrorism.

ttlpkg, I won't even bother.
 
gymnpoppa said:

ttlpkg, I won't even bother.

where YOU at, GP?

I know how you feel though, I didn't want to bother after your predictable rant about how Americans and others are being misled by Bush and that there is no justification for attacking Iraq. I wonder why you won't address the fact that many if not most thinking Americans, diplomats and politicians disagree with you. Not to mention heads of state of many western nations and UN officials. Could all of these folks be wrong? In your mind I suppose.
 
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