RTD Protein Drinks... explain something to me...

[drveejay11]

So what you bro's are trying to say is that all RTD are a waste???
NO way....I just don't buy it. Are you also saying that all protein powders are over-processed and useless too????

 

[beginrjuice]

if its on the internet I can find it, heres some links about the whole bioavailability topic of denatured protien

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/mf/weider/071602/separating_fact.html

http://www.maxsportsmag.com/science/issue40/40sci2.htm

 

[Andy13]

from teh AST web site

Q: My gym sells several brands of pre-made protein drinks. Companies call them RTDs. I can see where they could be very convenient. Is it a good idea to drink these?



A: Convenient? It would be real convenient to just get the water hose and fill up your gas tank when you need to instead of driving to a gas station half way across town. But that’s not smart and neither is wasting money on these pre-made drinks. I won’t even call them protein drinks because that would be like calling Jello a high protein food source.

Look, I’ll put this bluntly. Pre-made drinks or RTDs are pure junk. They absolutely suck. You’re wasting money and missing valuable muscle-growth opportunities when you drink this garbage.

Let me explain. Do you know how they make these? If you did, you wouldn’t drink them even if the companies paid you to.

Imagine this, take a pot of water and set it on the stove. Bring this pot of water to a raging boil. Take a very low-grade protein powder and add it to the boiling water. Stir it in and let it boil for 20 minutes. After 20 minutes of boiling, add some preservatives. Allow the liquid to cool slightly. Next, poor the scalding hot liquid into a plastic bottle. You’ll have to do this several times to find the right temperature so that the hot liquid does not melt the plastic bottle. Next, seal the bottle and let cool. After it’s cool, set in the storage shed in your backyard for a few months. After a few months take the bottle of liquid from your storage shed and put it in the refrigerator. When it cools, enjoy.

Crazy huh? What do you think this does to quality of the protein? What do you think this does to the protein's ability to deliver a muscle building effect? I’ll tell you, it destroys it. As bad as the quality of the protein was to begin with, it is virtually useless now.

Can you imagine boiling your protein shake before you drink it? That’s the process these pre-made drinks go through when they are produced. I don’t care how great the ads claim these drinks are, bottom line is, the very process in which they are made destroys the proteins effectiveness. Heat destroys delicate whey proteins. Therefore, not only are you paying a premium for this so-called convenience, but you are paying this premium for a drastically damaged and virtually worthless protein.

Be smart. Don’t waste your time with these worthless drinks. Leave them to weekend want-to-bes and those that just pretend they train hard. That’s who these companies make them for any way.

I know nothing about the ACTUAL preperation of these beverages.. For all I know you have the candid camera front-row footage, not to mention shreds of scientific validity that accompany your emotion..

Ooo-K...

You probably never eat meat, do you? That steak you had last weekend.??? it was cooked above the temperature of boiling water. .

How about those eggs you had for breakfast? Unless you took them Rocky style, you cooked them above the temperature of boiling water..

Are you picking up what I'm laying down?

Am I saying proteins aren't as easily denatured? Of course not.. proteins (enzymes, etc) encountered in biotechnology and science have rediculously rigorous specs in order to keep them happy.. Some proteins won't function if they are as little as in the wrong buffer ..

These denatured proteins are usually worthless once they are dead.. A few can be revived, most cannot..

But this is biotechnology here.. Not bodybuilding...

Your body doesn't look at the protein you eat and say "SaWEAT! It's a chicken liver hexokinase enzyme!!!!"

NONE of the proteins you injest are used as is.. In other words, they are ALL degraded (denatured) down to their bare bones-- amino acids. Your body then assemples it's own proteins from the amino building blocks... I mean, can you imagine if we used chicken enzymes? We'd be walking aroung clucking before you know it.

All kidding aside..... Your body doesn't care about amino acid chains you eat.. It won't use them anyway.. Our bodies require AMINO ACIDS; not proteins.

Do amino's get f#cked up when you heat them? Not to a significant degree I don't think. I think you will be hard pressed to show me anything that indicates the cert of analysis of these protein companies reveals their products are shit. I"m not talking about dishonest companies who sell sugar and call it whey.. I'm talking about the folks who use these fantom boil-up recipies..

Go ahead.. Get a C of A.. Neeeew newww NO.. Don't get one from anabolic.com... Get a legit one.. You might be surprised.



Andy

 

[drveejay11]

Thanks for shedding some much needed light Andy. I'd bet your right on this one!

Besides, how many times has a NEW/GREAT supplement come along and get marketed well for a couple of months until people figure out it's bunk. The bodybuilding community always has a way of communicating to the supp companies and to the rest of the bodybuilding communities which products will sell (because they work) and which won't (on the clearance table). RTD's have been popular as hell for a long time and still are.

By now, someone would have proved they are bunk. This is the most un-scientific argument in favor of RTD's but I hope you get the point. Bunk sh#t doesn't retain popularity very long......it fades away.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

i just use them in a pinch when i need some protein. otherwise i stick to my pre-made metrx or whey or whole foods. only if i eat some carbs on the run and got to get some protein quick, or if i am past my 3 hr window of protein ingesting and i MUST have the protein or my head will explode....then i drink those Myoplex low carb drinks for 20 grams. the nitro tech are great but all that goo on the bottom and the chunks are not worth it for 40 grams. and the new fruit flavored liquid bottled ones taste like shit. lol. at least myo and metrx try and make them taste good. wouldn't depend on them for much of the daily intake though myself.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

I never said anything other than RTDs were bare-bones, overpriced protein supplements with destroyed amino-acid/glycomacropeptide profiles. It's true that protein is broken down to amino acids in the system, but I disagree with your position that the body won't use individual amino acids.

Drink 'em if you want. There is protein in there; just low-grade protein with a hefty pricetag.

As an aside, does anybody know if protein can sit suspended in liquid for an indefinite amount of time without negative consequence? Andy? Liquid does weird things to compounds given time.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

LABORATORY PROCEDURES IN ANIMAL NUTRITION RESEARCH
M. L. Galyean
West Texas A&M University, Division of Agriculture and Texas A&M Research and Extension Center, Amarillo

*excerpt*
Perhaps the most important of these three from the standpoint of feed preparation is the Maillard, or browning reaction. In this reaction, free amino
groups of the protein (usually the • -amino of lysine) combine with the aldehyde group of a reducing sugar to form an indigestible complex. The reaction is maximized at moisture levels of 30 % and temperatures greater than 60 C. Moreover, increased time of exposure to these
conditions will enhance the reaction (Maynard et al., 1979).

Van Soest (1975) provided an excellent discussion of the Maillard reaction. The Maillard reaction is of considerable interest to the protein processing industry, particularly with regard to the effects of heat on protein quality. Proteins that have undergone browning have considerably decreased value, both for ruminants and nonruminants.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

 

[the nature boy]

I wondered this too. I've read that I couldn't make a protein drink and leave it in the refridgerator before bed so I could consume it in the middle of the night because after 3 hours or so the protein becomes useless. Why does this not hold true for RTD's?

 

[AAP]

Lets keep this up...