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is he a nice guy? or is he a dutch bag?

Mike was always a "nice" guy, wouldn't harm a fly really. He was always just desperate for attention, so he is in absolute HEAVEN right now. He's the guy who sells drugs to BE COOL, not to make money.

YES, I am jealous.:D:cool:
 
Sells drugs huh? nice... great to hear, especially since he was my mortgage lender.. Well not for my next purchase.

LOL, I remember when he was selling Mortgages, he was living in his brothers apartment and on pain killers all day!
 
LOL @ everyone from Jersey having a nick-name...Then again Im a DJ that 90% of my local area forgets what my real name is, so i have no room to talk lol
 
I love Ross's attitude.. added him on facebook. I have that same attitude in the gym combined with anger. wish there were more guys like Ross at the gym, it would make it much more fun.

Thanks man, why do people resent others who have high self-esteem? I guess it's because they are jealous that they don't feel that way about themselves.

Jersey Shore 2010 it's goin DOWNNNN!:cool:
 
Thanks man, why do people resent others who have high self-esteem? I guess it's because they are jealous that they don't feel that way about themselves.

Jersey Shore 2010 it's goin DOWNNNN!:cool:


Some may be jealous, but overall arrogance is just tacky.
 
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Ross,

What was your diet and training like when you took that picture?! What aas were you running? That's dam impressive
 
Ross,

What was your diet and training like when you took that picture?! What aas were you running? That's dam impressive

Training regimen is highly complicated and my diet is moderate carbohydrate/high protein/low-moderate fat. I am currently running 300mg Schering Primobolan, 500mg of Testosterone Enanthate, and a small dose of Andriol and Proviron. .5mg Adex EOD or so. Took that pic last week.
 
Training regimen is highly complicated and my diet is moderate carbohydrate/high protein/low-moderate fat. I am currently running 300mg Schering Primobolan, 500mg of Testosterone Enanthate, and a small dose of Andriol and Proviron. .5mg Adex EOD or so. Took that pic last week.

Please elaborate on the moderate carb? How much at each meal and how much total a day?
 
Training regimen is highly complicated and my diet is moderate carbohydrate/high protein/low-moderate fat. I am currently running 300mg Schering Primobolan, 500mg of Testosterone Enanthate, and a small dose of Andriol and Proviron. .5mg Adex EOD or so. Took that pic last week.

helluva job, you give everyone on here something to shoot for.

i'm curious what is your bf% at currently?
how long do you usually run this type of cycle?
and how much cardio do you do per week?
 
helluva job, you give everyone on here something to shoot for.

i'm curious what is your bf% at currently?
how long do you usually run this type of cycle?
and how much cardio do you do per week?

I haven't had my body fat measured, but I'd say it's around 5% in that picture.

My cycling protocols are very unique, however this "phase" of my cycle will last for 10 weeks.

I DO NOT DO CARDIO! EVER! NO DIRECT CARDIO! Train hard, eat clean, and DO NOT CUT YOUR CARBS!
 
I haven't had my body fat measured, but I'd say it's around 5% in that picture.

My cycling protocols are very unique, however this "phase" of my cycle will last for 10 weeks.

I DO NOT DO CARDIO! EVER! NO DIRECT CARDIO! Train hard, eat clean, and DO NOT CUT YOUR CARBS!

Exactly! Whenever I cut carbs too much I feel flat and weak like I'm loosing muscle. It sucks! What is your carb intake right now?
 
Exactly! Whenever I cut carbs too much I feel flat and weak like I'm loosing muscle. It sucks! What is your carb intake right now?


In the picture I am on around 200-300grams a day, I'm still hovering in that area.
 
holy crap man you have insane abs! What is your height and weight? And considering you have never run tren in your life, even more impressive! Very inspiring stuff man. I'm about to add you on facebook and become a fan
 
holy crap man you have insane abs! What is your height and weight? And considering you have never run tren in your life, even more impressive! Very inspiring stuff man. I'm about to add you on facebook and become a fan

Thanks bro! I am 220lbs, 5% bodyfat, 5'11. I have a very small skeleton and joints, my waist is a 27.
 
Thanks bro! I am 220lbs, 5% bodyfat, 5'11. I have a very small skeleton and joints, my waist is a 27.

vicious stuff. Are you flexing your abs in that pic or are you in a relaxed position? I usually have to flex my abs to show how ripped they are, which is kind of annoying. My waist is a 33, so I guess I still have some more bf to lose for them to really look like that
 
vicious stuff. Are you flexing your abs in that pic or are you in a relaxed position? I usually have to flex my abs to show how ripped they are, which is kind of annoying. My waist is a 33, so I guess I still have some more bf to lose for them to really look like that

That was a semi-relaxed pic, a full flex would have my entire rib cage showing.

It's all about diet my man, keep it up! :)
 
I DO NOT DO CARDIO! EVER! NO DIRECT CARDIO! Train hard, eat clean, and DO NOT CUT YOUR CARBS![/quote]

If no cardio do you usually take real short rest in between sets? Do you switch up your routine alot? Let's go man i need to know this, lol.
 
I DO NOT DO CARDIO! EVER! NO DIRECT CARDIO! Train hard, eat clean, and DO NOT CUT YOUR CARBS!

If no cardio do you usually take real short rest in between sets? Do you switch up your routine alot? Let's go man i need to know this, lol.[/QUOTE]

My training routine is somewhat complicated, but suffice it so say that I believe in HEAVY weight, performed with MANY MANY SETS; typically 20 for smaller muscles and 25-30 for larger muscles. I burn a ton of calories during my weight-training sessions.

In addition, my diet is IMPECCABLE. I eat extremely clean, so clean that I am still in a minor calorie surplus and I continue to lose fat while maintaining(and even GAINING!) muscle mass.
 
If no cardio do you usually take real short rest in between sets? Do you switch up your routine alot? Let's go man i need to know this, lol.

My training routine is somewhat complicated, but suffice it so say that I believe in HEAVY weight, performed with MANY MANY SETS; typically 20 for smaller muscles and 25-30 for larger muscles. I burn a ton of calories during my weight-training sessions.

In addition, my diet is IMPECCABLE. I eat extremely clean, so clean that I am still in a minor calorie surplus and I continue to lose fat while maintaining(and even GAINING!) muscle mass.[/quote]

Let's see the diet.
 
My training routine is somewhat complicated, but suffice it so say that I believe in HEAVY weight, performed with MANY MANY SETS; typically 20 for smaller muscles and 25-30 for larger muscles. I burn a ton of calories during my weight-training sessions.

In addition, my diet is IMPECCABLE. I eat extremely clean, so clean that I am still in a minor calorie surplus and I continue to lose fat while maintaining(and even GAINING!) muscle mass.

Let's see the diet.[/QUOTE]

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this thread is now about us asking Ross how he looks so fucking unbelievable (no homo)

You run some pretty low doses of AAS too judging from the cycle you said you are running. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? And how often do you drink alcohol?
 
this thread is now about us asking Ross how he looks so fucking unbelievable (no homo)

You run some pretty low doses of AAS too judging from the cycle you said you are running. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? And how often do you drink alcohol?

yes, I ama FIRM believer in lower dosages, and I also don't run "CYCLES", I run anabolic steroid "THERAPIES". they are far safe and more effective than standard "cycles".

I drink alcohol maybe once or twice per month. In the summer, maybe more. :cool:

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yes, I ama FIRM believer in lower dosages, and I also don't run "CYCLES", I run anabolic steroid "THERAPIES". they are far safe and more effective than standard "cycles".

I drink alcohol maybe once or twice per month. In the summer, maybe more. :cool:

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What the hell is the main difference between therapies and cycle?
 
What the hell is the main difference between therapies and cycle?

+1 tell us the difference between "normal cycling" and "Ross' SUPERHUMAN FORMING ANABOLIC THERAPY protocol" :)

We touched on this chatting on FB one time..I am curious.

Tell us how to keep our receptors FRESH, our boys UP, WHAT to use, and how long.

DO YOU EVER COME OFF!?

P.S., your abs are a serious predicament, no WONDER youre so narcissistic :P

jk lateeer Rossy
 
+1 tell us the difference between "normal cycling" and "Ross' SUPERHUMAN FORMING ANABOLIC THERAPY protocol" :)

We touched on this chatting on FB one time..I am curious.

Tell us how to keep our receptors FRESH, our boys UP, WHAT to use, and how long.

DO YOU EVER COME OFF!?

P.S., your abs are a serious predicament, no WONDER youre so narcissistic :P

jk lateeer Rossy

OK, before I can even begin discussing my "steroid therapies", there are some extremely fundamental misconceptions about Anabolic Androgenic Steroids that we need to examine and correct.

Misconception #1: All Anabolic Androgenic Steroids will shutdown the HPTA.

This is FALSE. Not all steroids will shutdown the HPTA, each anabolic steroid will affect endogenous hormone production to a different extent. For example, while Nandrolone(deca) and Trenbolone(Tren)will shutdown the HPTA and cause a complete cessation of endogenous testosterone production within just 1 week, compounds like Methenolone(Primobolan), Oxandrolone(Anavar), Drostanolone(Masteron), Mesterolone(Proviron) and even Methandrostenolone(Dianabol) will NOT cause such significant reductions in natural testosterone production, even in higher dosages for extended durations of time. This fine distinction is utterly important, as we will exploit this fact in order to maximize gains while minimizing HPTA inhibition, during certain important times.


Misconception #2: All Testosterone esters will produce the same results. "Testosterone is Testosterone".

This is FALSE. Each of the different esters, Enanthate, Cypionate, Propionate, Suspension,(no ester, suspended in water) and multi-estered preparations such as Sustanon, will all produce different gains, both QUALITATIVELY AND QUANTITATIVELY. Esterfication, although does not change the parent hormone, has a direct affect on the rate of aromatization and conversion in to DHT via 5a-Reductase. Longer chained esters such as Enanthate and Cypionate will undergo greater aromatization and are also more ANABOLIC than shorter esters such as Propionate. This is why they are more effective for BULKING purposes, but cause more water-retention. Shorter esters will undergo less conversion in to estrogen and greater conversion in to DHT, producing much drier gains, although less in quantity. This is all in accordance with what everyone EXPERIENCES, but somehow the dogma is inescapable. People fail to acknowledge the difference in esters, only because they were TOLD long ago that "Test is Test".



Misconception #3: Post Cycle Therapy(PCT) will restore natural Testosterone production, and therefore steroids should be "CYCLED".

This is FALSE. Steroid CYCLES are BAD! This is what I refer to as "The YO-YO Effect", which is the process of going on and off cycle continuously throughout the year, taking an equal amount of time off for PCT as you were on for your CYCLE. This is EXTREMELY detrimental to the HPTA and can undoubtedly cause LONG-TERM testicular damage! Right when your balls think they are RECOVERED, you go ahead and shut them down again! How many times do you think you can get away with turning off your natural testosterone production completely, only to turn in back on again for a few weeks before SHUTTING IT OFF AGAIN!?

Let me tell you this--POST CYCLE THERAPY IS NOT MAGIC! Many times after continuous cycling, PCT is not even effective, and it can take upwards of 12-24 months to fully recover endogenous hormone production. Recent studies have actually shown(in animals) that staying ON CYCLE for extended periods of time may actually PRESERVE testicular age and function! I can confirm this, I have been using anabolic steroids just about NON-STOP for the past 7 years, and I am still HIGHLY FERTILE! I actually just had an abortion in January. If you utilize these remarkable compounds PROPERLY, you can systematically avoid virtually ALL side-effects, while reaping the greatest gains in your life.

Now that we have the basics covered, I think we can start to discuss compound selection, dosages, and compound utilization protocols. There are several COMPONENTS to a "standard steroid therapy". For the record, I have NEVER USED Nandrolone(Deca) or Trenbolone(Tren) and I would suggest EVERYONE to do the same if you are going to attempt my steroid therapies successfully. These two drugs will WREAK HAVOC upon the male endocrine system and they can not be incorporated in to my therapies.
 
OK, now that everyone understands the utter importance of the distinction between HPTA suppression and HPTA shutdown, we can begin to discuss my actual steroid therapies and the different PHASES that comprise my therapies.

The PHASES of a standard Anabolic Steroid Therapy:

Phase 1: Pre-Therapy
Phase 2: Active Phase
Phase 3: Hyperactive Phase
Phase 4: Idle Phase
Phase 5: Pre-PCT
Phase 6: PCT

The first phase of the Anabolic Steroid Therapies that I want to discuss, since it's what most people know as "THE CYCLE", is called "The Hyperactive Phase".

First and foremost, each therapy is UNIQUE to the genetics and current physiological needs of an individual. These are highly CUSTOMIZED medical protocols that are designed to produce the maximum gains in muscle mass, strength, and fat loss that can be achieved, while simultaneously maintaining your optimal physical, mental, and sexual health. In addition, each individual has their own unique goals, so all of my therapies will be different for each individual.

So let's get to the BEEF of the Anabolic Steroid Therapies. As the name implies, I view the use of anabolic steroids as a THERAPEUTIC PROCESS. The enhancement of muscle mass, body composition, and athletic performance are medical tasks, that require a very thorough and detailed understanding of biology, physiology, and chemistry. Therefore, the THERAPY is not complete until an OBJECTIVE is achieved. This is the very purpose of THERAPY.

Each individual will have different goals and different genetics and therefore the number of phases, and the duration of each phase will vary among individuals. However, EVERYONE will be following the STANDARD ANABOLIC STEROID THERAPY protocol, which contains three ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS during the "Hyperactive Phase", the phase during which we utilize a combination of synergistic anabolic steroids:

1.) The Base
2.) The Secondary Anabolic
3.) Hormone Modulator

For now, let's discuss the BASE of the cycle, since this is the most important part of the therapy, and also the component people are most familiar with already.

TESTOSTERONE is the base of ALL anabolic steroid therapies, period. It is a hormone that simply can not be replaced. As the primary male hormone, it is the perfect anabolic steroid, possessing an ideal 100/100 anabolic/androgenic value that is responsible for it's extremely powerful male-enhancing effects. Testosterone doesn't just build muscle, it has profound physical and psychological effects that will enhance the quality of your LIFE, not just your body! Testosterone will cause drastic and almost unbearable increases in libido, as well as an overwhelming sense of power confidence, aggressiveness, and utter well-being. This is largely due to Testosterone's conversion in to the FAR MORE ANDROGENIC hormone DHT(Dihydrotestosterone), which is also responsible for the development of male sexual characteristics. Although DHT can cause hairloss in those who are prone, it is an ESSENTIAL male hormone that should never be reduced. Doing so(by taking Finasteride) can actually cause FEMINIZATION, including Gyno and sexual dysfunction.

However, in higher dosages the side-effects of Testosterone become more apparent. Due to the aromatization of Testosterone(it's conversion in to the female hormone Estrogen), estrogenic side-effects such as Gyno and severe water-retention are very likely to occur. Testosterone is also very androgenic, especially in higher dosages, so users can expect an increase in ACNE and hairloss, for those who are genetically prone. Therefore, I NEVER exceed 200-600mg of Testosterone, and this is why the second ESSENTIAL COMPONENT of the Hyperactive Phase contains a SECONDARY ANABOLIC..

Next I'd like to discuss the other two ESSENTIAL components so that I can start describing the different PHASES of the steroid therapies. For now, let's take some questions about the material I am posting, I hope it was fluent and easy to understand.
 
OK, FAST-FORWARDING..


Phase 1: Pre-Therapy - This first phase requires a complete optimization of the endogenous male hormonal profile. Prior to running your cycle, we want Estrogen to be reduced and total Testosterone and FREE Testosterone elevated. This is accomplished by decreasing SHBG(Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, and stimulating the testicles.

Clomiphene Citrate(Clomid) should be used in conjunction with an Aromatase Inhibitor such as Aromasin, Arimidex, or Letrozole. I personally would advise starting with low dosages of Arimidex or Aromasin(.5mg every day or 25mg EOD, respectively) instead of using Letrozole which may reduce estrogen too much(especially dosing liquids). This combination will maximize endogenous androgenic activity while optimizing hormonal conditions for the Active Phase.


Phase 2: Active Phase - During the Active Phase, we simply use a "Hormone Replacement Dosage" of Testosterone, typically around 150-250mg per week. The duration of this phase will vary greatly among different individuals, depending on goals and current physiological needs. Most often, especially if using a long ester, the Active Phase should be run for 6-8 weeks. During this time, your body will undergo enhanced masculinization, and your androgen receptors will begin to increase in number and in density--this is a documented effect of Testosterone(it makes you more efficient at using steroids). You will experience favorable changes in body composition and mood, while setting the stage for your most important growth phase, the Hyperactive Phase.


Phase 3: Hyperactive Phase - I think we covered enough of this Phase...Anabolic steroids are utilized over the course of many weeks, sometimes many months, as the bodybuilder aquires as much muscle mass as possible, or while dieting to preserve muscle and aid in fatloss.


Phase 4: Idle Phase - This is a "COOL DOWN" period and a time to SOLIDIFY your gains! Your body is always struggling to reach HOMEOSTASIS, and continuing to elevate your primary male hormone(Testosterone) ARTIFICIALLY will offset your natural physiological systems. You will continue to enhance masculinzation while having a favorable impact on androgen receptor characteristics.


Phase 5: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery) - This is the period of time DIRECTLY AFTER YOUR typical "CYCLE", known in the anabolic steroid therapies as The Hyperactive Phase. DO NOT GO STRAIGHT INTO post cycle therapy! This is why you experience a POST-CYCLE CRASH! Utilizing an ACTIVE RECOVERY PERIOD will allow the body to BEGIN producing testosterone once again, while still remaining in an ANABOLIC STATE!

PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering. During this time, we also use Clomid and usually also an Aromatase Inhibitor.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 30mgs/50mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 40mgs/200mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/50mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs
Andriol/150 = 200mg/Proviron 50mg

*During this time, we also use Clomid and usually also an Aromatase Inhibitor.


Phase 6: PCT - Now that your HPTA has began recovering, and you have successfully transitioned out of your steroid cycle, it is now time to FULLY RESTORE THE HPTA. Now is the time for your FULL agressive post cycle therapy regimen, which I will also explan. At this point, you're testosterone level has already risen and you've managed to keep all of your gains. PCT will be a BREEZE.
 
OK, FAST-FORWARDING..


Phase 1: Pre-Therapy - This first phase requires a complete optimization of the endogenous male hormonal profile. Prior to running your cycle, we want Estrogen to be reduced and total Testosterone and FREE Testosterone elevated. This is accomplished by decreasing SHBG(Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, and stimulating the testicles.

Clomiphene Citrate(Clomid) should be used in conjunction with an Aromatase Inhibitor such as Aromasin, Arimidex, or Letrozole. I personally would advise starting with low dosages of Arimidex or Aromasin(.5mg every day or 25mg EOD, respectively) instead of using Letrozole which may reduce estrogen too much(especially dosing liquids). This combination will maximize endogenous androgenic activity while optimizing hormonal conditions for the Active Phase.


Phase 2: Active Phase - During the Active Phase, we simply use a "Hormone Replacement Dosage" of Testosterone, typically around 150-250mg per week. The duration of this phase will vary greatly among different individuals, depending on goals and current physiological needs. Most often, especially if using a long ester, the Active Phase should be run for 6-8 weeks. During this time, your body will undergo enhanced masculinization, and your androgen receptors will begin to increase in number and in density--this is a documented effect of Testosterone(it makes you more efficient at using steroids). You will experience favorable changes in body composition and mood, while setting the stage for your most important growth phase, the Hyperactive Phase.


Phase 3: Hyperactive Phase - I think we covered enough of this Phase...Anabolic steroids are utilized over the course of many weeks, sometimes many months, as the bodybuilder aquires as much muscle mass as possible, or while dieting to preserve muscle and aid in fatloss.


Phase 4: Idle Phase - This is a "COOL DOWN" period and a time to SOLIDIFY your gains! Your body is always struggling to reach HOMEOSTASIS, and continuing to elevate your primary male hormone(Testosterone) ARTIFICIALLY will offset your natural physiological systems. You will continue to enhance masculinzation while having a favorable impact on androgen receptor characteristics.


Phase 5: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery) - This is the period of time DIRECTLY AFTER YOUR typical "CYCLE", known in the anabolic steroid therapies as The Hyperactive Phase. DO NOT GO STRAIGHT INTO post cycle therapy! This is why you experience a POST-CYCLE CRASH! Utilizing an ACTIVE RECOVERY PERIOD will allow the body to BEGIN producing testosterone once again, while still remaining in an ANABOLIC STATE!

PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering. During this time, we also use Clomid and usually also an Aromatase Inhibitor.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 30mgs/50mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 40mgs/200mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/50mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs
Andriol/150 = 200mg/Proviron 50mg

*During this time, we also use Clomid and usually also an Aromatase Inhibitor.


Phase 6: PCT - Now that your HPTA has began recovering, and you have successfully transitioned out of your steroid cycle, it is now time to FULLY RESTORE THE HPTA. Now is the time for your FULL agressive post cycle therapy regimen, which I will also explan. At this point, you're testosterone level has already risen and you've managed to keep all of your gains. PCT will be a BREEZE.

4 and 5 seem to be almost the same thing. Also if you should not go directly into Pct then what is your protocol towards the end of a cycle.The endogenous test levels begin to recover while still on? That would be awesome but seems impossible?

My main question is in Pre-pct what allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output? Clomid and and ai along with taking something like Anavar & Proviron? How is that?

This is all very interesting however a bit confusing towards ''Idle Phase and ''Active Recovery''.
 
4 and 5 seem to be almost the same thing. Also if you should not go directly into Pct then what is your protocol towards the end of a cycle.The endogenous test levels begin to recover while still on? That would be awesome but seems impossible?

My main question is in Pre-pct what allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output? Clomid and and ai along with taking something like Anavar & Proviron? How is that?

This is all very interesting however a bit confusing towards ''Idle Phase and ''Active Recovery''.

As I stated, each therapy is somewhat different for each individual, not everyone requires an IDLE PHASE, but EVERYONE MUST run a Pre-PCT(Active Recovery)!

YOU CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER LH SECRETION AND subsquent Testsoterone production WHILE still ON anabolic steroids. For instance, You can be suppressed while using a high dosage of testosterone and simply decrease your dosage and you'll be less suppressed. This can easily be confirmed by getting bloodwork done and checking your LH levels. You can start recovering natural testosterone production while still running anabolic steroids, I've done it DOZENS of times before. For example, my testosterone levels were around 300ng after a cycle of testosterone and after using dianabol for 8 weeks, my testosterone level had risen to almost 550(whil keeping my gains). By the time I did PCT, it was a BREEZE! I have done the same using many different compounds.
 
A+++ good thread

my question is if you are on 7 straight years will you ever go off? or will you stay on for the rest of your life?

I view the use of Anabolic Steroids as a THERAPEUTIC process, so I'll be using my protocols for the rest of my life. When I am around 40, I'll just stay on HRT.

Fertility is not an issue, I am very fertile even right now.
 
As I stated, each therapy is somewhat different for each individual, not everyone requires an IDLE PHASE, but EVERYONE MUST run a Pre-PCT(Active Recovery)!

YOU CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER LH SECRETION AND subsquent Testsoterone production WHILE still ON anabolic steroids. For instance, You can be suppressed while using a high dosage of testosterone and simply decrease your dosage and you'll be less suppressed. This can easily be confirmed by getting bloodwork done and checking your LH levels. You can start recovering natural testosterone production while still running anabolic steroids, I've done it DOZENS of times before. For example, my testosterone levels were around 300ng after a cycle of testosterone and after using dianabol for 8 weeks, my testosterone level had risen to almost 550(whil keeping my gains). By the time I did PCT, it was a BREEZE! I have done the same using many different compounds.

That is my main question. What would be your protocol to recover LH secretion and natural test production while still ON aas?? Lower the dosage and run hcg with an ai?

What products do you typically run while in Pre-Pct??

Also your always running some dosage of test even when you do the active recovery and Pct so when you say your test levels were around 300ng after bloowork they will obviously still be high.
 
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I view the use of Anabolic Steroids as a THERAPEUTIC process, so I'll be using my protocols for the rest of my life. When I am around 40, I'll just stay on HRT.

Fertility is not an issue, I am very fertile even right now.

what would be your HRT? just a low dose of test every other week?

that would be economical.. i dunno how many out there can afford to be on for 40 more years... that would hit the wallet hard although I am a big believer on spending as much as necessary on our bodies to look and feel good.
 
This is the best read I've had in years....
 
Ross,
Very Interesting. This whole process is while you are still on a small dosage of Test, including active recovery and Pct? Or in ''Active Recovery'' you drop the test and start clomid, ai, with anavar and proviron?

So if I'm on a Test/Var/Proviron cycle I would continue Var/Proviron for several weeks after I drop the Test and start a natural test boosting compound with adex? Then go into a full Pct?
 
I have it on good info that Ross banged Snookie.

Him and Sneakers had a romance that lasted the whole summer.
 
OK, FAST-FORWARDING..


Phase 1: Pre-Therapy - This first phase requires a complete optimization of the endogenous male hormonal profile. Prior to running your cycle, we want Estrogen to be reduced and total Testosterone and FREE Testosterone elevated. This is accomplished by decreasing SHBG(Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, and stimulating the testicles.

Clomiphene Citrate(Clomid) should be used in conjunction with an Aromatase Inhibitor such as Aromasin, Arimidex, or Letrozole. I personally would advise starting with low dosages of Arimidex or Aromasin(.5mg every day or 25mg EOD, respectively) instead of using Letrozole which may reduce estrogen too much(especially dosing liquids). This combination will maximize endogenous androgenic activity while optimizing hormonal conditions for the Active Phase.


Phase 2: Active Phase - During the Active Phase, we simply use a "Hormone Replacement Dosage" of Testosterone, typically around 150-250mg per week. The duration of this phase will vary greatly among different individuals, depending on goals and current physiological needs. Most often, especially if using a long ester, the Active Phase should be run for 6-8 weeks. During this time, your body will undergo enhanced masculinization, and your androgen receptors will begin to increase in number and in density--this is a documented effect of Testosterone(it makes you more efficient at using steroids). You will experience favorable changes in body composition and mood, while setting the stage for your most important growth phase, the Hyperactive Phase.


Phase 3: Hyperactive Phase - I think we covered enough of this Phase...Anabolic steroids are utilized over the course of many weeks, sometimes many months, as the bodybuilder aquires as much muscle mass as possible, or while dieting to preserve muscle and aid in fatloss.


Phase 4: Idle Phase - This is a "COOL DOWN" period and a time to SOLIDIFY your gains! Your body is always struggling to reach HOMEOSTASIS, and continuing to elevate your primary male hormone(Testosterone) ARTIFICIALLY will offset your natural physiological systems. You will continue to enhance masculinzation while having a favorable impact on androgen receptor characteristics.


Phase 5: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery) - This is the period of time DIRECTLY AFTER YOUR typical "CYCLE", known in the anabolic steroid therapies as The Hyperactive Phase. DO NOT GO STRAIGHT INTO post cycle therapy! This is why you experience a POST-CYCLE CRASH! Utilizing an ACTIVE RECOVERY PERIOD will allow the body to BEGIN producing testosterone once again, while still remaining in an ANABOLIC STATE!

PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering. During this time, we also use Clomid and usually also an Aromatase Inhibitor.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 30mgs/50mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 40mgs/200mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/50mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs
Andriol/150 = 200mg/Proviron 50mg

*During this time, we also use Clomid and usually also an Aromatase Inhibitor.


Phase 6: PCT - Now that your HPTA has began recovering, and you have successfully transitioned out of your steroid cycle, it is now time to FULLY RESTORE THE HPTA. Now is the time for your FULL agressive post cycle therapy regimen, which I will also explan. At this point, you're testosterone level has already risen and you've managed to keep all of your gains. PCT will be a BREEZE.

Interesting post, could you please put a time range in weeks for each of the six phases. I know they vary by individual. But just a basic guideline such as 4-6 weeks for phase 1 ,etc.
 
Wow that is some good reading, thanks Ross!
 
if one was to run say 6 cycles in a 3 year period with each cycle being relatively low dose eg no more than 500mg test with 400mg primo for example...

Would this be unsafe and damaging compared to being on all the time for 3 years?
 
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