Settle down cheech. You said a natty can't achieve the same physique as a guy on steroids!! Totally false! If you're judging by size alone or time spent to gain the size... Sure... Roids every time. But overall physique and conditioning?? It's not hands down roid users. How many juiced out assholes do you see who have no clue about nutrition and just look big and fat....You want to debate it? Go read your original post.
And watch your tone with me