Revised my cycle from your opinions...check it

[Vascular Freak]

Thanks for the comments on my previous post on which cycle to run. I did a little research and this is what i am going to do starting Nov 15th.

Wk 1-12 Test Cyp 400mg ew
Wk 1-12 Eq 600mg ew
Wk 1-12 Primo 600mg ew
Wk 1-8 Var 50mg ed
Wk 1,2 and 11-14 Test Prop @100mg eod

AIFM throughout and Letro is need be

 

[MR. BMJ]

Personally, i'd ditch the Primo and replace it with Tren Acetate. Trenbolone blows primo out of the water it isn't even close. However, i'm not gonna try and make this a Tren vs. Primo thread, so do what you want to there. I agree with Ulter though, that Primo is for girls.

After the 'Var, i'd run Winny @ 50mg/d orally for weeks 9-14.

BMJ

 

[nydj66]

Thanks for the comments on my previous post on which cycle to run. I did a little research and this is what i am going to do starting Nov 15th.

Wk 1-12 Test Cyp 400mg ew
Wk 1-12 Eq 600mg ew
Wk 1-12 Primo 600mg ew
Wk 1-8 Var 50mg ed
Wk 1,2 and 11-14 Test Prop @100mg eod

AIFM throughout and Letro is need be

Just a thought:

If you started the cycle with 4 weeks of d-bol. The go 4 weeks without an oral, then finish with 4 weeks of anavar. AND, you followed the cycle with 3 weeks of HCG, you could skip the prop altogether.

 

[Vascular Freak]

Personally, i'd ditch the Primo and replace it with Tren Acetate. Trenbolone blows primo out of the water it isn't even close. However, i'm not gonna try and make this a Tren vs. Primo thread, so do what you want to there. I agree with Ulter though, that Primo is for girls.

After the 'Var, i'd run Winny @ 50mg/d orally for weeks 9-14.

BMJ

I thought about tren but I have never used it before and was a little skeptical after hearing all the horror stories. Plus I have not gotten into the drugs that affect prog levels and I don't know much about how to effectively keep prog sides down, mainly gyno, and also PCT after tren.

If you guys could give me some help with dosage, duration, ancillaries, and PCT for tren I would appreciate it and consider it. I have used Primo before with good results, would tren be that much better considering the sides (ie toxicity, gyno, insomnia, sweats etc?)

 

[MR. BMJ]

I thought about tren but I have never used it before and was a little skeptical after hearing all the horror stories. Plus I have not gotten into the drugs that affect prog levels and I don't know much about how to effectively keep prog sides down, mainly gyno, and also PCT after tren.

If you guys could give me some help with dosage, duration, ancillaries, and PCT for tren I would appreciate it and consider it. I have used Primo before with good results, would tren be that much better considering the sides (ie toxicity, gyno, insomnia, sweats etc?)

Try this:

Test @ 400mg/wk for 1-12 weeks
Eq @ 600mg/wk for weeks 1-12
Anavar @ 50mg/wk for weeks 1-8
Winny @ 50mg/d for weeks 8-13
Trenbolone @ 50-75mg/d for weeks 1-12.
AIFM throughout entire cycle and PCT+
Bromo or Cabergoline for prolactin issues ED.

Since you mentioned on your other thread that you were wanting leanness and vascularity, etc....that is what I would do with the compounds above.

For PCT:

HCG @ 500iu/d for weeks 12, 13, 14 + AIFM
Clomid @ 50mg/d for weeks 15, 16, 17, (18 optional)...+ AIFM
Weeks 18/19+ AIFM as needed adjusting dosages appropriately.

Options:

You could bring in HCG at around week 5 for a 10 day bout at 1,000iu/d to help keep the boys blown up.

Or,

You can also take Clomid EOD @ 25-50mg throughout cycle.

Another Option:

If you run the Tren, do it with every day injects. With that in mind, you could take Test prop instead of enanthate. At which point, you would run the prop up to week 13-1/2. Hcg for weeks 12/13 @ 1,000iu per day, and then proceed into your Clomid therapy/AIFM for weeks 14+.

Just something to think about

BMJ

 

[Vascular Freak]

BMJ : Thats a nice cycle you posted. How are the side with tren when using it for 12 weeks? The only thing that I have to decide on is whether I want to do eod sticks for that length of time. Tren is normally pretty painless isn't it (using pro form gear)?

Also, how much bromo is an average daily dose?

 

[bw1]

BMJ : Thats a nice cycle you posted. How are the side with tren when using it for 12 weeks? The only thing that I have to decide on is whether I want to do eod sticks for that length of time. Tren is normally pretty painless isn't it (using pro form gear)?

Also, how much bromo is an average daily dose?

I'd do ED injects with the tren.

 

[Ulter]

Personally, i'd ditch the Primo and replace it with Tren Acetate.

BMJ

Me too

 

[MR. BMJ]

BMJ : Thats a nice cycle you posted. How are the side with tren when using it for 12 weeks? The only thing that I have to decide on is whether I want to do eod sticks for that length of time. Tren is normally pretty painless isn't it (using pro form gear)?

Also, how much bromo is an average daily dose?

The tren sides will vary. Many state that the sides actually will decline after a few weeks of use (ie...night sweats, etc). I love Tren, and have never had a problem with it besides for a little acne and night sweats. When "bulking", and besides for probably test, I will usually keep them at 6-8 weeks before switching to another compound. However, for a cycle that you are trying to stay vascular and lean and preserve LBM, I will use the same compounds for longer periods of time. Trenbolone is the BEST AAS for preventing catabolism and keeping LBM when in this state. Nothing compares to Tren in this regard. Therefore, when I am doing an all-out lean stack, I will keep it in the entire time of dieting. The cool thingwith trenbolone is that if you experience any kind of progestin problems, the sides will usually dissipate quickly after stopping its use.

I've used Tren many, many times and have only used cabergoline twice to combat any prolactin symptoms. For what it is worth, I didn't feel a difference from when I didn't use it. That's not saying it wasn't effective, I just may not have ever been sensitive to progestin-prolactin problems. I used the Cabergoline just to try it out.

Bromo, use it at night at a low dose of 1.25mg starting out. You may or may not need to go higher than this.

Yes, pain is "fairly" painless. I've never used the company you mentioned though.

Yes, i'd do ED inject with test prop if possible. You could even do Tren ED and then run/add in Test Prop EOD.

If you decide to do test prop, I can fine tune things a little more, but

BMJ

 

[black sheep]

I like the cycle. Personally I would drop the EQ, bump the Primo to 800mg and run the test and Primo for 14 weeks.

1-14 Test E 200mg/week
1-14 Primo 800mg/week
1-8 Var 50mg ed
1-14 Proviron 50mg ED

I did a similiar cycle - AWESOME RESULTS! I had absolutety no sides and a very easy recovery.

I love tren - But the first time I used it I hated the sides. I can handle them now.

 

[Vascular Freak]

Would the addition of tren at 75 mg eod give that much better gains than 600mg of primo compared to the sides?

 

[black sheep]

Would the addition of tren at 75 mg eod give that much better gains than 600mg of primo compared to the sides?

I would run the primo at 800 - I noticed a decent difference at 800 than 600.

As for Tren - You are comparing apples to oranges. The sides are a bitch for many.

 

[Vascular Freak]

I would run the primo at 800 - I noticed a decent difference at 800 than 600.

As for Tren - You are comparing apples to oranges. The sides are a bitch for many.

I want to try tren so bad but I just think I will be much better off so stay away from it since the insomnia and tough recovery would be tough for me.

I may bump the primo to 800mg if I drop the eq. I don't want to overso the amount of gear I use. I am only 180lbs 5'7" at 6% bf so I should be able to grow with moderate dosages.

One more question, I am thinking that 600mg of eq and primo would be better than 800mg of primo alone. Do you agree or disagree? I like the vascularity and pumps that eq give me, also it increases my appetite and cardio endurance.

 

[black sheep]

I want to try tren so bad but I just think I will be much better off so stay away from it since the insomnia and tough recovery would be tough for me.

I may bump the primo to 800mg if I drop the eq. I don't want to overso the amount of gear I use. I am only 180lbs 5'7" at 6% bf so I should be able to grow with moderate dosages.

One more question, I am thinking that 600mg of eq and primo would be better than 800mg of primo alone. Do you agree or disagree? I like the vascularity and pumps that eq give me, also it increases my appetite and cardio endurance.

I would use one or the other at 800mg/week. I dont think you need both.

 

[gautho]

Yes tren is a far superior product to primo, but if you don't feel comfortable using it then don't. Nevertheless, your cycle looks awesome and i think you will be so amazed with the eq at week 12 that you will want to extend it. Good luck, keep us posted.

 

[nydj66]

I'm using primo for the first time right now but the results from tren last cycle were unreal. My cycle was 6 weeks of test/tren/winny; I gained 10 lbs AND went down from 13.1 to 9.6% BF. I was fucking staving all the time so my diet was not clean at all...and I still went down in body fat.

But, acne, insomnia, gyno and aggression were a problem. My recovery wasn't bad at all though (especially considering I often have trouble with recovery).

I used 0.5mg cabergoline twice weekly and continued it right through PCT. Weeks 7-9 I used 1000IU HCG/day then followed that up with another 3 weeks of 100mg/day clomid.

I don't think I could have lived with the insomnia and resulting lethargy for more than 6 weeks though.

 

[Vascular Freak]

I made up my decision and ordered my gear. I didn't go with tren ace, one minute I think I should have and the next I'm glad i didn't. I plan to save the tren for precontest prep in the early summer where I'll run prop, tren ace, and masteron. For now here it its.

Wk 1-4 test prop 100mg eod again weeks 12-15 100mg eod (used to elevated and exit blood quicker than the cyp)
Wk 1-8 var 60mg ed
wk 1-13 test cyp 400mg ew
wk 1-13 eq 500mg ew
wk 1-13 primo 600mg ew

I may add in some aromasin or letro if the aifm isn't enough.

I will start HCG week 14 and run it along with the prop for the last week, then clomid at 100mg down to 50mg. I will also use AIFM as needed.

I am going stick with a high protein, moderate carb, moderate fat intake throughout. My goal is to add as much fat free mass as possible. I am currently 5'7" at 180lbs with 6% bf. I would like to be close to 190 at 6-7% bf by the end of 14 weeks.

I am training heavy, all free weights 5x per week with cardio 2x per week in the am on non training days and another 3x after training (20minutes on stairmaster).

I have been eating 10 meals all solid food which amounts to a meal every 1h 30m. Each meal has 45-65 grams of protein and 30-60 g of carbs for the first 4 meals. Meals 5-10 are 60 g of protein from steak, chicken, and eggs along with 15-20 grams of efa's at each meal.

I will keep protein the same since I am already getting 400-500 g of protein, but will increase my carb intake from 225 g daily to about 325 mainly in my pre and post meal.

Here is my diet right now

7:30am 4 oz chicken, 7 egg whites, asparagus, 20 g whey, 1 cup oats (dry measure)
TRAIN
10:30 am 50 g whey, 8 oz sweet potatoe
12:00 noon 6 oz chicken, broccolli, 1/2 cups oats
1:30 pm 6 oz chicken, broccolli, 1/3 cup oats
3:00 pm 4 oz chicken, 3 oz steak, 1 tbsp flax oil, asparagus
6:00 pm 7 oz chicken, 1 TBSP olive oil, large romaine salad
8:30 pm 5 oz chicken, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1/4 cup peanuts, 20 g whey
11 pm 5 oz chicken, 20 g whey
3am 30 g whey shake
5am 20g whey shake

 

[|3ossman]

i like what you have there, but if it where me id do this (using what you ordered):

1-5 prop 75mg ed
1-13 cyp 400mg
1-13 eq 500mg
1-13 primo 600mg
10-15 var 80mg ed

then hit pct like 3 days after you last var dose, and im an advocate for using HCG throughout a cycle, like 250-500iu every 3-4 days.

 

[Vascular Freak]

i like what you have there, but if it where me id do this (using what you ordered):

1-5 prop 75mg ed
1-13 cyp 400mg
1-13 eq 500mg
1-13 primo 600mg
10-15 var 80mg ed

then hit pct like 3 days after you last var dose, and im an advocate for using HCG throughout a cycle, like 250-500iu every 3-4 days.

I never really thought of running it that way.... but I like it a lot. Modifying your reccomendation a little I might actually do it this way:

1-5 prop 75mg ed
1-13 cyp 400mg
1-13 eq 500mg
1-13 primo 600mg
8-15 var 80mg ed
12-15 prop 75mg ed
(optional) wk 8-15 t3 25-50-25mcg ed (depending on how much fat I put on)

Hell yeah, I like that better. THis way I will hit the androgens more in the early stages and then the anabolics near PCT.

That will also be great since I will decrease my calories for the last 4-5 weeks while using the var and prop harden up.

 

[solidspine]

I think it is a great cycle, primo gains you keep, if everyone talks you in to fina, go for it, but keep the primo it there too,

I would drop the eq and jack increase the primo if anything.

 

[NURSEPIMP]

I like it.
Next time try the tren. Remeber its short half life. So if you dont like it just stop it ..

Good luck. That looks like a nice run..

-NP

 

[Vascular Freak]

I think it is a great cycle, primo gains you keep, if everyone talks you in to fina, go for it, but keep the primo it there too,

I would drop the eq and jack increase the primo if anything.

Thanks for bringing that up Solidspine. Some of you guys think I should use both and some say drop the eq. Do eq and primo compete with each other making it useless to run both? I was going to just run the primo but eq is like an ole broad that keeps coming back! I have used it in every cycle and love the results it give....BUT I like primo just as much so I figured the hell with it I will run both.

Do you say to drop the eq because its a waste of gear, because its "too much" gear overall, or simply because using more primo and no eq will yeild better gains?

I know that using "lighter" compounds like primo, and eq are kind of a waste of $$ since they are pricey compared to other drugs that offer better results. But I try not to worry about the money since it is "healthier" to use than say tren, d-bol, adrol etc, and also I am willing to sacrifice gains for less sides.

 

[Vascular Freak]

I like it.
Next time try the tren. Remeber its short half life. So if you dont like it just stop it ..

Good luck. That looks like a nice run..

-NP

Thanks bro, I have ran a similar cycle in the past and it was phenomenal! Not that it made me into a mass monster by any means but it sure helped me transform my body and add some size to boot.

At this point I am as lean and proportioned as I want and want to grow without adding fat or losing the symmetry and hardness.

I definetly will try tren in the spring when I run it with prop, and masteron and maybe some var for contest prep. I will pop my "tren-cherry" and also my "test supspension-hymen:!

 

[NURSEPIMP]

LOL cool man. Have fun with this one

 

[MR. BMJ]

You could have just taken 1000+mg/wk of Test + 600mg Eq per week with an AI and saved yourself the $$$$ and probably got the same results.

BMJ