Revised Cycle Plan - Feedback Appreciated

[notjake11]

The required:

Age - 37
Height - 6'
Weight - 200lbs
Bodyfat - 12%ish
Cycle Experience - Var Prov (8 weeks), SARMs (8 weeks - finishing now)

I'm finalizing plans for the cycle I plan on running after completing my mini-PCT for the SARMs cycle. I had originally planned on doing a TestP/MastE/Var cycle for 8 weeks, but my training plans have changed so I am altering my cycle to accomodate my goals. Originally my primary goal was purely visual/cutting while making some progress on training for runs and increasing my strength.

The last couple of months I have been getting more and more focused on competing in trail runs and in mud/obstacle races. The same three goals are all in place - cutting/visual, endurance and strength - but my primary goal now is to improve my speed and endurance to compete more effectively. As a result, I think the following cycle more effectively suits my goals:

Cycle:

1-16 Test E 400mg/wk
1-16 EQ 600mg/wk
1-6 Katana 3/day
1-16 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
7-13 HCGenerate
14-16 HCG 500ius/2xwk
17-18 HCG 1000ius/2xwk

PCT

19-22 Forma Stanzol
19-22 Unleashed/Post Combo
19-22 D-Spark
19-22 DAA
19-22 Keto Burn
19-22 Osta 25mg/day
19-22 GW 20mg/day

Thoughts and feedback are requested and greatly appreciated. For one thing, I'd like some feedback on whether it's worth adding an oral in at the end of the cycle - either running Katana again weeks 13-18 or using something else. It would have to be something that wouldn't interfere with cardio/endurance obviously. Some of the events I'm competing in are as long as half-marathons so need to be able to train for distance.

 

[Jbranken]

The whole cycle might effect your cardio and endurance lol. But I'd move the katana to the back end of the cycle to help shred you up and use something like tbol at the start of the cycle. Good luck running long distances on gear..

 

[notjake11]

The whole cycle might effect your cardio and endurance lol. But I'd move the katana to the back end of the cycle to help shred you up and use something like tbol at the start of the cycle. Good luck running long distances on gear..

Dylan and Radar have both said that EQ will actually help with cardio as it is supposed to up red blood cell count and increase oxygen availability/usage. This matches up with what I've found researching the compound.

I may actually lower the test to 300 mg/week but not sure. That's another item I was curious about getting some feedback on.

Have you used tbol before? What's your experience with it? I was thinking katana to help cut up and drop some bodyfat early in the cycle. The thought was that leaning out a little makes cardio easier - less weight to move - while still sparing or adding a small amount of lean mass.

 

[Jbranken]

You're correct about eq, I was meaning calve pumps. I had them all the time on test when I ran 5k's and slowed me up. Everyone is different though. But yea I've run tbol. It's one of my favs. It's kinda the best of dbol and anavar in one. But if your main goal is fat loss on the cycle then maybe you can run katana at the start and finish out with anavar. You'd cut up nicely

 

[NegroPops]

I'd run the GW-50 throughout the cycle as well. And maybe throw an oral on the back end up until PCT to keep hormone levels up and steady.

 

[notjake11]

You're correct about eq, I was meaning calve pumps. I had them all the time on test when I ran 5k's and slowed me up. Everyone is different though. But yea I've run tbol. It's one of my favs. It's kinda the best of dbol and anavar in one. But if your main goal is fat loss on the cycle then maybe you can run katana at the start and finish out with anavar. You'd cut up nicely

What was your experience with tbol - how did it effect you (comp, sides, gains/loss, etc.)?
Do you think cutting the test to 300/wk would help avoid/minimize the calf pump issues?
I love the idea of anavar for the hardening/strength/cutting aspects, but worry that would dramatically increase the risk of pumps. Still debating but it's definitely something I'm considering as a closer.

 

[notjake11]

I'd run the GW-50 throughout the cycle as well. And maybe throw an oral on the back end up until PCT to keep hormone levels up and steady.

I'm currently completing an 8-week triple SARMs/Albuterol stack so I will have been on GW for eight weeks leading into the cycle. I don't want to burn out my receptors running it continuously so planned on leaving it out of the cycle and then adding it back in when I run PCT (and then maybe lead that right into another SARMs stack).

Definitely going to run an oral to close. Just haven't figured out which one yet.

 

[Jbranken]

Nah just keep the test at 400 ew and if you experience pumps, adjust from there. Tbol put on some awesome size an was incredible for strength. I only bulked with it. I'd like to tell you its the poor mans anavar, but you will hold some water on this. Nothing like dbol, but some water retention which prob wouldn't fit your goals. I'd go for var or winny

 

[needtogetaas]

I think it looks fine

 

[dylangemelli]

the only thing that gave me pumps was anavar... i fucking have excellent distance runs on test... eq will definitely help your cardio... you don't want to run gw too long so just hold off on it... you could add mast e as well... otherwise, everything else looks good... im not sure if you have ever run winstrol before but that may be nice on the back end... it could hurt your joints, it just varies from person to person but i would keep katana as my kick... i would not use tbol on this cycle... winstrol is good with cardio as well as long as you don't get too dry on it... it just depends... some people do and some don't...

 

[PHGHI]

With that dosage of test E and EQ your total testosterone BW will be up and over 3,000. I would up your HCG for the last 20 days after your last pin to 1,000iu E3.5D and than start your PCT. You might also want to increase your HCG to 500 E3.5D four weeks prior to your last pin.

 

[notjake11]

the only thing that gave me pumps was anavar... i fucking have excellent distance runs on test... eq will definitely help your cardio... you don't want to run gw too long so just hold off on it... you could add mast e as well... otherwise, everything else looks good... im not sure if you have ever run winstrol before but that may be nice on the back end... it could hurt your joints, it just varies from person to person but i would keep katana as my kick... i would not use tbol on this cycle... winstrol is good with cardio as well as long as you don't get too dry on it... it just depends... some people do and some don't...

The primary reason I didn't include anavar was the one you gave - I definitely got pumps on it when I was using it back last fall. Mast and Winny are two of the options I have been considering as well.

The Mast will depend on whether I'm lean enough at that time to get the best use of it - I'm somewhere between 10-12% at the moment and will have to see where things stand. What would you think of adding MastP (instead of E) about halfway through the cycle and running it for 8 weeks? With the cardio/katana/cutting I should definitely lean out quite a bit the first half of the cycle and was considering adding that in for the back half. Or is it better to use MastE and run it the full 16 weeks? In either case, what dose would you suggest I run? 600/wk?

The dry joint issue with Winny worries me but I may try it as a closer and if it dries me out too much just drop it.

 

[notjake11]

With that dosage of test E and EQ your total testosterone BW will be up and over 3,000. I would up your HCG for the last 20 days after your last pin to 1,000iu E3.5D and than start your PCT. You might also want to increase your HCG to 500 E3.5D four weeks prior to your last pin.

Thanks. Makes sense and I'll update the plan accordingly.

 

[dylangemelli]

The primary reason I didn't include anavar was the one you gave - I definitely got pumps on it when I was using it back last fall. Mast and Winny are two of the options I have been considering as well.

The Mast will depend on whether I'm lean enough at that time to get the best use of it - I'm somewhere between 10-12% at the moment and will have to see where things stand. What would you think of adding MastP (instead of E) about halfway through the cycle and running it for 8 weeks? With the cardio/katana/cutting I should definitely lean out quite a bit the first half of the cycle and was considering adding that in for the back half. Or is it better to use MastE and run it the full 16 weeks? In either case, what dose would you suggest I run? 600/wk?

The dry joint issue with Winny worries me but I may try it as a closer and if it dries me out too much just drop it.

i would run mast e from the start man... really work on getting your body fat as low as you can and then run it the entire time...

 

[notjake11]

i would run mast e from the start man... really work on getting your body fat as low as you can and then run it the entire time...

Sounds like a plan. Best dose for Mast E on this cycle?

 

[dylangemelli]

600 mg week

 

[ballslee]

dude i would definitely consider the winstrol. you could start taking it on a week where you don't have a competition to see how it affects you, and you could take it with that mast as well.
i love winstrol. and in my opinion it isn't as bad on the joints the first couple of times you take it. and i really feel like the more mass you have is when winstrol affects the joints the most.

I would maybe throw some gw in the middle of the cycle....like a 4 weeker after the katana or something. would eliminate that burnout, and have time after, before you use it in PCT (could help to time it around a competition)
But you could look into AICAR as well, it is another cardio helper that is supposed to be stacked with GW.

you could really align this well if you know what competitions you want to do.

any pumps you may have, you just need to load up on taurine. i am able to completely eliminate them at around 5gs

love the cycle though. good luck, and watch out for the anxiety on EQ
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[notjake11]

dude i would definitely consider the winstrol. you could start taking it on a week where you don't have a competition to see how it affects you, and you could take it with that mast as well.
i love winstrol. and in my opinion it isn't as bad on the joints the first couple of times you take it. and i really feel like the more mass you have is when winstrol affects the joints the most.

I would maybe throw some gw in the middle of the cycle....like a 4 weeker after the katana or something. would eliminate that burnout, and have time after, before you use it in PCT (could help to time it around a competition)
But you could look into AICAR as well, it is another cardio helper that is supposed to be stacked with GW.

you could really align this well if you know what competitions you want to do.

any pumps you may have, you just need to load up on taurine. i am able to completely eliminate them at around 5gs

love the cycle though. good luck, and watch out for the anxiety on EQ
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Thanks for the feedback.

I'm hesitant to add GW for two reasons. First, I want to use that during PCT and afterwards on a SARMs bridge (and may add AICAR in as well for that). Second, Russianstar recently posted some info on NTBM indicating that taking GW on cycle with AAS is not going to have much of an effect given the nature of how the compounds work. I'll post a link to his comments when the NTBM site is back up.

I'm definitely leaning towards running Winny. Opening with Katana and then closing with Winny sounds like a good combo. Any thoughts on oral v. injectible with Winny?

The decision on Mast is going to come down to cost. Will have to see how my commissions go the next couple of weeks. The Mast will cost as much as the Test, EQ and Winny combined.

 

[ballslee]

I find that your joints will hurt less on inject winny, and much different results for me. that said, inject winny can hurt pretty badly. oral winny can decrease SHGB which will make your other steroids work synergytically. never thought about the GW doing that, but in my opinion GW is not as much of a SARM as s4 or ostarine. it works by mediating actions in your lungs and that is why it is good for endurance. the muscle part of GW is secondary to the cardio effects. and i think it will boost cardio no matter on cycle or not. i took it with my tren for a couple of weeks this cycle, and noticed the difference once i stoped.

you should look somewhere else for your mast then....cuz it aint that expensive.

 

[notjake11]

I find that your joints will hurt less on inject winny, and much different results for me. that said, inject winny can hurt pretty badly. oral winny can decrease SHGB which will make your other steroids work synergytically. never thought about the GW doing that, but in my opinion GW is not as much of a SARM as s4 or ostarine. it works by mediating actions in your lungs and that is why it is good for endurance. the muscle part of GW is secondary to the cardio effects. and i think it will boost cardio no matter on cycle or not. i took it with my tren for a couple of weeks this cycle, and noticed the difference once i stoped.

you should look somewhere else for your mast then....cuz it aint that expensive.

throwing in some GW from gtg chem - Page 2

Check post 11 in that thread.

As for mast, I'll do some window shopping to see what I come up with.

 

[Essie]

Everything as you have it laid out initially looks a tad more than just reasonably good to me. If you can get reasonably leaned out here and maintain whil off cycle, then start playing with Var, Primo & Mast your next cycle to harden you up as hell.

 

[notjake11]

Everything as you have it laid out initially looks a tad more than just reasonably good to me. If you can get reasonably leaned out here and maintain whil off cycle, then start playing with Var, Primo & Mast your next cycle to harden you up as hell.

I cant quite tell if that is a dig that it is a mediocre cycle or a compliment saying it is well designed. I think the latter but not sure.

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[Essie]

Lol!!!!! Defo the latter ... Compliments to you regarding the tought and lay out.