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I need a link to an article or study where it is noted that atheletes and bodybuilders need more than 1 gram of protein per bodyweight.

Please help me. We all know you need more protein, I mean like... DUH!! But looking for a published ariticle or what on the net that states this.

Multi karma to whoever that finds it.
 
Hmm t-mag would have that info Dr. Lemon and/or Lonnie Lowry I think his name is another guy who writes a lot about protein needs. Email the guys at t-mag.
 
lol i actually didn't read properly thinking it was 1.5 - 2.0 per pound but i guess that's what i get for posting an article from Men's Fitness.
 
Of course only Mens Fitness and their puny little models would do wimpy levels of protein like that.

I have tried.. PubMed the National Library of Medicine but no luck, at least when I type in my search criteria I get back about 20 pages of results.

Come on, there is something out there with an atheletes protein use and requirements.

WODIN!! Get on it ok?

Please.
 
Anal AssPlorer said:
I need a link to an article or study where it is noted that atheletes and bodybuilders need more than 1 gram of protein per bodyweight.
Are you looking to support the "more than one gram/pound" theory, or are you objectivly seeking the true range of protein requirement for athletes? I believe that a good deal of evidence exists supporting an intake range netween 1.6-2.2 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight as near optimal for athletes. (2.2 g/kg = 1 g/kg) In most cases, more protein does not yield any greater benefit. However, in a steroid assisted athlete it makes sense that he or she could utilize more protein. Finding some definitive evidence on this would truly merit karma.

Dr. Colgan of the "Colgan Institute" is, in my opinion, the most trustworthy expert in the field of sports nutrition. He recomends about 1.9 g/kg.

Anyway, I'll like a few articles I found regarding protein requiremnts in athletes. Better stuff than this exists, but this is what could easily be found.
Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes.
Tarnopolsky MA, Atkinson SA, MacDougall JD, Chesley A, Phillips S, Schwarcz HP
J Appl Physiol 1992 Nov 73:1986-95

Leucine kinetic and nitrogen balance (NBAL) methods were used to determine the dietary protein requirements of strength athletes (SA) compared with sedentary subjects (S). Individual subjects were randomly assigned to one of three protein intakes: low protein (LP) = 0.86 g protein.kg-1.day-1, moderate protein (MP) = 1.40 g protein.kg-1.day-1, or high protein (HP) = 2.40 g protein.kg-1.day-1 for 13 days for each dietary treatment. NBAL was measured and whole body protein synthesis (WBPS) and leucine oxidation were determined from L-[1-13C]leucine turnover. NBAL data were used to determine that the protein intake for zero NBAL for S was 0.69 g.kg-1.day-1 and for SA was 1.41 g.kg-1.day-1. A suggested recommended intake for S was 0.89 g.kg-1.day-1 and for SA was 1.76 g.kg-1.day-1. For SA, the LP diet did not provide adequate protein and resulted in an accommodated state (decreased WBPS vs. MP and HP), and the MP diet resulted in a state of adaptation [increase in WBPS (vs. LP) and no change in leucine oxidation (vs. LP)]. The HP diet did not result in increased WBPS compared with the MP diet, but leucine oxidation did increase significantly, indicating a nutrient overload. <Indicates a protein range between 1.4 g and 2.4 g per kg for athletes.> For S the LP diet provided adequate protein, and increasing protein intake did not increase WBPS. On the HP diet leucine oxidation increased for S. These results indicated that the MP and HP diets were nutrient overloads for S. There were no effects of varying protein intake on indexes of lean body mass (creatinine excretion, body density) for either group. In summary, protein requirements for athletes performing strength training are greater than for sedentary individuals and are above current Canadian and US recommended daily protein intake requirements for young healthy males.
Here's an old one...
The importance of protein for athletes.
Lemon PW, Yarasheski KE, Dolny DG
Sports Med 1984 Nov-Dec 1:474-84
Abstract
Although it is generally believed that carbohydrate and fat are the only sources of energy during physical activity, recent experimental results suggest that there are also significant alterations in protein metabolism during exercise. Depending on several factors, including intensity, duration and type of exercise, as well as prior diet, training, environment and perhaps even gender or age, these changes may be quite large. Generally, exercise promotes: a decrease in protein synthesis (production) unless the exercise duration is prolonged (greater than 4h) when increases occur; either an increase or no change in protein catabolism (breakdown); and an increase in amino acid oxidation. In addition, significant subcellular damage to skeletal muscle has been shown following exercise. Taken together, these observations suggest that the protein requirements of active individuals are greater than those of inactive individuals. Although the underlying reasons are different, this statement applies to both endurance and strength/power athletes. At present, it is not possible to precisely determine protein requirements. However, because deficiencies in total protein or in specific amino acids may occur, we suggest that athletes consume 1.8 to 2.0 g of protein/kg of bodyweight/day. This is approximately twice the recommended requirement for sedentary individuals. For some athletes this may require supplementation; however, these quantities of protein can be easily obtained in a diet where 12 to 15% of the total energy is from protein. Although the effect of exercise on protein metabolism has been studied for many years, numerous questions remain. Hopefully, with the recent renewed interest in this area of study, most of these answers will soon be available.
Protein and amino acid needs of the strength athlete.
Lemon PW
Int J Sport Nutr 1991 Jun 1:127-45
Abstract
The debate regarding optimal protein/amino acid needs of strength athletes is an old one. Recent evidence indicates that actual requirements are higher than those of more sedentary individuals, although this is not widely recognized. Some data even suggest that high protein/amino acid diets can enhance the development of muscle mass and strength when combined with heavy resistance exercise training. Novices may have higher needs than experienced strength athletes, and substantial interindividual variability exists. Perhaps the most important single factor determining absolute protein/amino acid need is the adequacy of energy intake. Present data indicate that strength athletes should consume approximately 12-15% of their daily total energy intake as protein, or about 1.5-2.0 g protein/kg.d-1 (approximately 188-250% of the U.S. recommended dietary allowance). Although routinely consumed by many strength athletes, higher protein intakes have not been shown to be consistently effective and may even be associated with some health risks.

Macronutrients and performance.
Williams C
J Sports Sci 1995 Summer 13 Spec No:S1-10
Abstract
Athletes should eat a well-balanced diet made up of a wide variety of foods in sufficient quantity to cover their daily energy expenditures. Carbohydrate-containing foods should provide approximately 60-70% of their daily energy intake, protein approximately 12-15%, with the remainder being provided by fat. The higher carbohydrate intakes, however, are only recommended during preparation for, and immediate recovery from, heavy training and competition. Adopting nutritional strategies to increase muscle and liver glycogen stores before, during and after exercise can improve performance. The protein requirements of most athletes are fulfilled when their daily intake is between 1.2 and 1.7 g per kg body mass.<lower than some of the top sports nutritionists advise, but near the aforementioned optimal range> This amount of protein is provided by a diet which covers the athlete's daily energy expenditure. Although fat metabolism contributes to energy production during exercise, and the amount increases with endurance training, there is no evidence to suggest that athletes should increase their fat intake as a means of improving their performance.
Exercise adds a new dimension to the issue because the body, with an increased need for protein, has to rely heavily upon dietary sources rather than draw from it's own stores. If this need is not met during exercise then the body will start to draw upon its muscle tissue as a source. Though it may seem that humans don't need much protein, the facts haven't been established as to how much an exercising individual should be taking in. Recent research shows that the RDA doesn't appear to meet the needs of exercising adults. One of the top researchers in this field, Dr Peter Lemon, stated in a recent review paper that, "the RDA for those engaged in strength training should be about 1.7 – 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day". Dr Lemon came to this conclusion after citing several studies (Fern, 1991, Tarnopolsky et al., 1992) which used amounts of protein ranging from 1.3 – 3.3 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight. At Kent University researchers tested 3 different groups of people: 1) on a low protein diet which was 0.9 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight; 2) another group eating 1.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight; and 3) a group eating 2.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight. Both sedentary and strength training groups were involved. The results showed that 1.4 grams resulted in protein synthesis while there were no changes in the low protein group and, finally, the group that ingested 2.4 grams of protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4 grams of protein group.

Another study conducted at the Letterman Army Institute of Research in San Francisco showed that subjects on a higher protein intake (2.8 g/kg/day), coupled with intense strength training, gained a whopping 3.28 kg (7.2 lbs) of lean mass. The study was done over a 40-day period and the subjects were trained to near exhaustion (2). Another study of weightlifters over a 3 month period, with the protein increased from 2.2g/kg/day to 3.5 g/kg/ day, resulted in a 6% increase in muscle mass and a 5% increase in strength (3). Susan M Klieiner, who holds a PhD in nutrition and human performance from Case Western Reserve University,<and has conducted research on steroid assisted athletes> states in her book, Power Eating, that for muscle building an intake of 1.6-2.2 grams per kilogram of bodyweight is recommended. Dr Michael Colgan, in Optimum Sports Nutrition, claims that the RDA doesn't meet the needs of athletes who train in an intense fashion. So, the evidence provided by some of the highly regarded "experts" in this field indicates that the addition of extra protein has been shown to display positive effects which produce muscle growth
 
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I just wanted to throw in that Silent is 100% correct. You could put up a stand for 1g/lb of BW, but in actuality, most research suggests that only 1g/kg of BW is sufficient for muscle hypertrophy or maintenance in athletes. Good luck if you're fighting for the prior.
 
Dooley said:
I just wanted to throw in that Silent is 100% correct. You could put up a stand for 1g/lb of BW, but in actuality, most research suggests that only 1g/kg of BW is sufficient for muscle hypertrophy or maintenance in athletes. Good luck if you're fighting for the prior.

I am needing a convincing arguement for more than 1g per bodyweight.
 
Silent Method said:
How 'bout a good convincing arguement for flying zebras?

That is arguement #2 after I win this one.

YOu got karma.
 
the "per kilo body weight" is throwing me off here. If an athelete weighs 200 pounds, how much protein are they advocating in those articles? It say 1.7-2.0 grams of protein per kilo body weight. HOw much is that?
 
I always thought it was 1-2g per kilo of LBM not of your total body weight. I don't see the reason in counting your fat to determine you optimal protein intake
 
They are advocating .5-.9g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Just divide the amount in kilos by 2.2.
 
Cure said:
They are advocating .5-.9g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Just divide the amount in kilos by 2.2.

Can you do this for me?






:)
 
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