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bigmark1515
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well I can state the obvious: You dont eat and ur up for hours w/out sleepAhMadKooL said:
BigCracker
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Not a great combo-but I know plenty of guys that use/abuse drugs and juice quite often-and they're still alive...for now. I can't see it being any worse than having 300+ cholesterol and high BP while using many of the RX meds people take for pain, anti anxiety/depression-along w/ alcohol, tobacco, shitty diet/lifestyle etc.
bigmouth2006
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BigCracker said:
i agree with you i have nothing too add
bigmouth2006
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badslinky said:
you have seen big guys drop dead that must of been tragic? are you ok?
Back in the day when I was taking 'Disco Biscuits', I know I was pretty shredded by the end of the night. Stuff sucked the water right out of me.. Not recommending that by any means, but I did look pretty ripped! 
Bruce
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goddamn i used to be a dumb mother fucker let me tell you. i rolled about 30 times always taking 2 pills each time minimum. i did this 7 years ago and man i wish i hadn't. i don't think i took any damage but it is so fucking bad for you. on cadavers of hardcore e users doctors find golf ball size holes in the brain. cocaine will make you lose 8 pounds in one night, its pretty bad for bbing. i was on winny 2 years ago and was still a dumb fuck, hadn't come to ef yet. did coke on halloween and lost like 6 pounds cause you don't eat, and you don't sleep. you can see the difference in the mirror the day after no joke.
bigmouth2006
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i probably have some holes in my brain fuck it can't do anything about it now
bigcountry61
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coke will fuckin ruin ur cycle i did it one nite and it set me back2 weeks in the gym, lost like 5lbs in that nite too. I am done wit rec drugs cant go pro and fuck wit that.
ChessPharm
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Coke and Roids bad combo
AkWilliams529
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Shit will drop you if you combine that with AAS. The most well known bodybuilder around my community was found dead in his car one morning after a overdose. From what was understood he had a problem with coke and ecstacy.
mesco
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i saw with my own eyes back in the late 90's in the tunnel in nyc some kid who was on juice eatin pills and doin bumps of k went into cardiac arrest and died on the dance floor. the bouncers grabbed the kid and threw him out the side door onto 27th street dead before the cops or ambulances showed up cause during this time in nyc clubs and especially peter gatiens clubs E and K were all the cops were looking for to shut clubs down. when the cops finally showed up they shut the music off, turned the lights on and locked everyone inside till they could figure out what happened, then they tried to get everyones ID as we all left, some of us who were a little more creative than others got out without handing ID over.
drrman
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ItalianMuscle27 said:Back in the day when I was taking 'Disco Biscuits', I know I was pretty shredded by the end of the night. Stuff sucked the water right out of me.. Not recommending that by any means, but I did look pretty ripped!
LOL...i remember my college days....home from the club at 6am and looked in the mirror FUCKING RIPPED....sleep 10 hours and wake up soft and flat.....
oh well....i don't regret any of my days of partying, i had a blast, but steroids and rec drugs are NOT a good combo at all
narshh
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AhMadKooL said:
They have similar effect on the AS user to that of the non-AS user. I have to say that I take AS to pursue excellence in body often depriving myself of the comfort that I might experience by skipping cardio or passing on a workout. I eat what my taste buds would agree is not my first choice for meals, again depriving myself of this comfort in the pursuit of excellence. There are those risks associated with AS that I find acceptable when weighing against benefits.
If you are here in the AS forum you obviously have some interested in self betterment and you may deep down have the same level of interest in excellence that I do. With this as a given, why would you want put these rec drugs in your body when the carry arguably more unacceptable sides and the only thing that you will get from them is a temporary increased level of comfort (usually followed by an increased level of discomfort)? This is an equity trade that has no merit. If you are serious about achievement in the area of physical enhancement, run away from the polluting substances that offer harm without true benefit.
Take this as you will but it is meant to coercively help.
Your friend in health,
narshh
toxicsambo
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AhMadKooL said:
Steroids are cancelled out by hardcore drug use, actually, EVERYTHING is cancelled out by hardcore drug use. The worst is the destruction of the CNS and what people believe to be "HOLES" in thier brain. Theyre not holes literally, they are dead neurological pathways that are plastered with drug residue. THey block up the synapses and render them useless. THat's why so many drug users are FKN RETARDED and act like assholes. They revert into the monkien stage of evolution.
I never got into hardocore drugs because, well, it breeds losers. Steroids are not hardcore drugs, contrary to what Sen. Harry Reid and the DEA says. Theyre just looking to keep thier jobs. Steroids are proven to be beneficial. Coke is proven to make you into a bald, toothless, limp dick who spends eveything to support thier habit.
toxicsambo said:
i agree with most of what you have said but just because you use hardcore drugs doesnt mean you are a looser are will become one, i know plenty of loosers in my area on drugs and off them, i my self have taken loads of shit and still do on the odd ocasion when in Ibiza or at a big club, but not when im on gear because of what you mentioned above. i also know plenty of steriod users who are loosers, i do both and i dont class myself as a looser or any of my mates. just my 2cents worth. peace bro
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Anthony Roberts
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The "holes in your brain" from E are actually bullshit. Watch "Ecstasy Rising" by Peter Jennings (Nightline)...he dispells all of the government sponsored E-Myths.
Here's some good info on rec drugs:
GHB: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=2&artID=99946
Alcohol: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=3&artID=99953
Alcohol II: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=4&artID=99959
Bupropion: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...=10&artID=99999
Nicotine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...13&artID=999130
Ecstacy *MDMA*: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...14&artID=999140
Cocaine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...17&artID=999192
Caffeine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...30&artID=999363
www.dansesafe.org is a great board to ask about E and coke, but not steroids...EliteFitness is the opposite (great to ask about steroids, not so great for rec drug info)...it's probably a good idea to keep that difference in mind
Here's some good info on rec drugs:
GHB: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=2&artID=99946
Alcohol: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=3&artID=99953
Alcohol II: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=4&artID=99959
Bupropion: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...=10&artID=99999
Nicotine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...13&artID=999130
Ecstacy *MDMA*: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...14&artID=999140
Cocaine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...17&artID=999192
Caffeine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...30&artID=999363
www.dansesafe.org is a great board to ask about E and coke, but not steroids...EliteFitness is the opposite (great to ask about steroids, not so great for rec drug info)...it's probably a good idea to keep that difference in mind
anthony roberts said:The "holes in your brain" from E are actually bullshit. Watch "Ecstasy Rising" by Peter Jennings (Nightline)...he dispells all of the government sponsored E-Myths.
Here's some good info on rec drugs:
GHB: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=2&artID=99946
Alcohol: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=3&artID=99953
Alcohol II: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...D=4&artID=99959
Bupropion: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...=10&artID=99999
Nicotine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...13&artID=999130
Ecstacy *MDMA*: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...14&artID=999140
Cocaine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...17&artID=999192
Caffeine: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindan...30&artID=999363
www.dansesafe.org is a great board to ask about E and coke, but not steroids...EliteFitness is the opposite (great to ask about steroids, not so great for rec drug info)...it's probably a good idea to keep that difference in mind
good info man, and agree with you mate.
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Anthony Roberts
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Keep in mind, I have no problem with anyone putting any chemicals at all in their body...I just think you'll get better results talking about E and Coke with people who use it, and the same thing goes for steroids.
Sadly, both groups tend to be a little closed minded towards the other.
On www.mindandmuscle.net, they discuss steroids as well as "neuroscience" (drugs that alter your mind)...but...I'm undecided as to whether I think it's a good idea to discuss both on the same board.
Sadly, both groups tend to be a little closed minded towards the other.
On www.mindandmuscle.net, they discuss steroids as well as "neuroscience" (drugs that alter your mind)...but...I'm undecided as to whether I think it's a good idea to discuss both on the same board.
BigCracker
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Ahmadkool must think pro BB's walk around eating turkey wraps, popping multi vitamins, and drinking Diet Snapple while reading Musclemag 24/7. For most pro BB's, this is hardly the case.DRRman said:
Competitive bodybuilding has very little to do with health. In fact, the guys that look the best on stage are the ones most likely to keel over and die from dehydration, heart attack, stroke etc. Most guys that will jab a needle in there ass won't think much of smoking weed, dropping E, or tooting up a line of coke. Then again, some choose to avoid these femeral pleasures altogether. I say it's your body/life-if you wanna smoke crack and worship Satan and that's what makes you truly happy-I say go for it. Life is short.
Steroid guys that point the finger at rec drug users are hypocrites in the same way fat ass, beer in one hand/cigarette in the other- couch potatoes accuse any guy with a decent physique of being a juicer. You don't like people preaching to you about your lifestyle choices, so shut the fuck up about theirs.
The truth is the biggest rec. drug users I know are all competive BB's. I see guys that place well in state/regional/national shows smoking pre/post workout joints in the gym parking lot at least once a week-and they're usually talking about scoring an 8 ball of blow and hitting the titty bars later for cocktails. Then they drop a couple Valiums to fall asleep when they get home. Of course they chill on this type of partying at contest time-but not because they want to. They just don't want these things to affect their diet/training/recovery before a show. Off season-it's anything goes again.
shivastool
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I've tried both... and steroids tend to support being healthy, anabolism, and an overall fit lifestyle. Rec drugs support catabolism, brain impairment, and can be highly addictive leading to disfunction and stupidity. Choose life! Just say no!! 
BigCracker
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shivastool said:I've tried both... and steroids tend to support being healthy, anabolism, and an overall fit lifestyle. Rec drugs support catabolism, brain impairment, and can be highly addictive leading to disfunction and stupidity. Choose life! Just say no!!
And steroids aren't addictive? Damn, I better start worrying about this 15 yr long cycle I'm on. I don't wanna be labled an addict. People might think I'm a loser.
For the bazillionth time I have a message for all of you self righteous, "but roids are different" guys- All Recreational Drugs, RX Painkillers, RX Anti-anxiety/ depressants, RX Muscle Relaxers, Viagra/Cialis, Roids, Alcohol, Tobacco, Sex, Porn, Masturbation, The Internet, Food, Shopping, Gambling, Exercise, and even Religion-they are all dope!!! Anyone that overidulges in any of these things is going to have problems and has no room to talk shit about anyone else's lifestyle choices.
AinteasybeingDiesie
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Coke is wak, it is so 80's. But sometimes in the middle of a cycle I like to go out one night and drop a roll & Hoover up a Jar of K. It helps with my temper to keep me from ripping heads off.
Quiltie
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I have to add my 2c to this thread.
Do people that ask about rec drugs realize what its like- just trying to stay healthy as you age while trying to do everything right? It gets harder and harder to get up and do your thing every day as it is, without blowing up your systems with some b*llshit that makes you happy for an hour or two- and ruins your health down the road. I wish one of the young guys could see what its like when you get injured, how much effort is needed just to get back to NORMAL! Then they wouldn't be so quick to pop pills and toot lines. It's degrading your future quality of life.
Do people that ask about rec drugs realize what its like- just trying to stay healthy as you age while trying to do everything right? It gets harder and harder to get up and do your thing every day as it is, without blowing up your systems with some b*llshit that makes you happy for an hour or two- and ruins your health down the road. I wish one of the young guys could see what its like when you get injured, how much effort is needed just to get back to NORMAL! Then they wouldn't be so quick to pop pills and toot lines. It's degrading your future quality of life.
THE GOOD SUN
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BigCracker said:
AMEN!!!
AMEN!!!
AMEN!!!
both this post and the one preceeding it.
dullboy
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dullboy will pay 1000 US dollars to any person who can explain to dullboy how it's healthy to eat 300 grams of protein per day and 5000+ calories.
before you waste your time cutting and pasting a google search or some college term paper, dullboy will refer you to a half dozen real doctors who will inform you that it's very unhealthy.
and you know what? so what.
it's a lifestyle that you choose (and dullboy too) and fuck anyone who criticizes it.
props to bigcracker for the keeping it real multiple bitchslaps.
before you waste your time cutting and pasting a google search or some college term paper, dullboy will refer you to a half dozen real doctors who will inform you that it's very unhealthy.
and you know what? so what.
it's a lifestyle that you choose (and dullboy too) and fuck anyone who criticizes it.
props to bigcracker for the keeping it real multiple bitchslaps.
DRRman said:
You an early bird, I usually didnt come home till 11 or 12 the next day..
But you are right though, ripped and shredded at 6 or 7 am... 7pm soft and flat..haha.. Always took a xanax after a heavy night of partying, stuff made me feel like a million bucks the next day..Just need to sleep! But back on the topic, rec drugs and steroids not a good combo..
bbkingpin
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If you get the real thing, it is an incredible feeling, when you're with an attractive woman. If you are cut already it will make you ripped. When I did it, I was not on roids, hadn't done roids for 6-7 years (this was year 2000) and all I was taking was creatine and glutamine and Met-Rx and the rec drugs did not hurt me in the gym. But all I was doing was maintaining lean muscle. If you are trying to grow muscle or bulk up, coke and extasy are probably no good for your progress. For cutting up, I don't see a problem other than the obvious, health, legality, addiction. If T3 wont eat up your muscle on AAS, I don't think coke or x will either.badslinky said:
DiggerDan3
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bruce410 said:
Prove it!!
Post any facts to support this ignorant comment.
BigCracker
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DiggerDan3 said:
After a couple hits of blotter acid it will seem logical enough. After all, we don't even truly exist in the physical world. Our brain just tells us that we do.
I honestly think my Philosophy 101 class fucked my head up more than any drug ever could.
When the mind's eye rests on objects illuminated by truth and reality, it understands and comprehends them, and functions intelligently; but when it turns to the twilight world of change and decay, it can only form opinions, its vision is confused and its beliefs shifting, and it seems to lack intelligence. (Plato)
Big Cracker-you should run for governor bro-you're a funny motherfucker and you keep it real-----as for the topic, I fell into this trap and fell hard, I started doin a little bain and some rolls on the weekend and that ended just 6 months ago(9 year binder)-I hope nobody goes through what I did-just be aware that this shit creeps up on you and BOOM-you're an addict-- Most bodybuilders go balls to the wall no matter what it is
BigCracker
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bigrand said:
You're dancing with the devil my friend. I felt the same way as you do about Nubain-next thing ya know I cared more about it than gear or anything else. Kicking it sucked(after 5 yrs of mainlining it 6-7 x a day)-but I've been off it for just over a year now. I feel a lot better too. Just don't let your indulgences master you-which is often easier said than done.
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Anthony Roberts
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Dispelling the "holes" theory:
http://www.dancesafe.org/48hours.html
One issue, however, must be clarified. The MTV program profiled a young woman who had been a frequent user of ecstasy and a number of other drugs. On the program, the woman's doctor displayed a brain scan which suggested that her brain was full of holes, implying that the "holes" resulted from ecstasy use. Below is a clarification of the meaning of the brain scan written by Rick Doblin, Ph.D. President of MAPS.
The recent MTV special on MDMA showed the results of a SPECT scan of a young woman, Lynn Smith, who had used a very large amount of MDMA. Lynn's doctors reported that her SPECT scan showed "holes in the brain" similar to what a scan would look like of an elderly woman who had had multiple small strokes.
The graphic image shown on the MTV special was a 3-D reconstruction of the SPECT image, which clearly showed dramatic and frightening holes throughout her brain. However, this image was in no way a visual representation of the structure of her brain The SPECT scan actually measured the variation in cerebral blood flow in Lynn's brain. The 3-D image was then created by assigning a different color to different amounts of blood flow. How the graphic image looks is a matter of threshold effect on the image processing.
One can take any normal brain SPECT and lower the threshold (lower areas of blood flow assigned a low or zero level of color) , and one will see "holes" on the 3-D image. Conversely, you can also take the same image and adjust (increase) the threshold to "remove the holes". These are not absolute blood flow measurements. The "holes" simply demonstrate relatively lower blood flow compared to the entire brain. One cannot make any statements about whether it's normal or abnormal unless absolute blood flow measurements are made, which requires more sophisticated scanning procedures than were conducted on Lynn Smith.
Dr. Linda Chang, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, has conducted a scientifically rigorous, controlled SPECT study in 21 MDMA users compared to 21 controls. [Chang, L. et al, Effect of Ecstasy ( 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine [MDMA]) on cerebral blood flow: a co-registered SPECT and MRI study. Psychiatry Research-Neuroimaging, Section 98 (2000) 15-28.]
The MDMA users in Dr. Chang's study averaged 211 exposures to MDMA, with a range of from 6-1500 exposures. The average amount of MDMA consumed was 13.1 grams. There were no significant differences in amount of cerebral blood flow between the MDMA users and the controls, either globally or in specific brain regions. Furthermore, none of the MDMA users showed any signs of stroke, as measured by MRI scans.
In Dr. Chang's study, 10 of the subjects were scanned again, after the administration of two doses of MDMA. Cerebral blood flow was reduced somewhat in some brain regions at two weeks after the last dose of MDMA. 2 subjects were scanned again after 10 weeks and were found to have elevated cerebral blood flow in some regions. Dr. Chang reported, "Our findings suggest that the initially decreased rCBF normalizes with time and may even increase above baseline at later time points."
http://www.dancesafe.org/48hours.html
One issue, however, must be clarified. The MTV program profiled a young woman who had been a frequent user of ecstasy and a number of other drugs. On the program, the woman's doctor displayed a brain scan which suggested that her brain was full of holes, implying that the "holes" resulted from ecstasy use. Below is a clarification of the meaning of the brain scan written by Rick Doblin, Ph.D. President of MAPS.
The recent MTV special on MDMA showed the results of a SPECT scan of a young woman, Lynn Smith, who had used a very large amount of MDMA. Lynn's doctors reported that her SPECT scan showed "holes in the brain" similar to what a scan would look like of an elderly woman who had had multiple small strokes.
The graphic image shown on the MTV special was a 3-D reconstruction of the SPECT image, which clearly showed dramatic and frightening holes throughout her brain. However, this image was in no way a visual representation of the structure of her brain The SPECT scan actually measured the variation in cerebral blood flow in Lynn's brain. The 3-D image was then created by assigning a different color to different amounts of blood flow. How the graphic image looks is a matter of threshold effect on the image processing.
One can take any normal brain SPECT and lower the threshold (lower areas of blood flow assigned a low or zero level of color) , and one will see "holes" on the 3-D image. Conversely, you can also take the same image and adjust (increase) the threshold to "remove the holes". These are not absolute blood flow measurements. The "holes" simply demonstrate relatively lower blood flow compared to the entire brain. One cannot make any statements about whether it's normal or abnormal unless absolute blood flow measurements are made, which requires more sophisticated scanning procedures than were conducted on Lynn Smith.
Dr. Linda Chang, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, has conducted a scientifically rigorous, controlled SPECT study in 21 MDMA users compared to 21 controls. [Chang, L. et al, Effect of Ecstasy ( 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine [MDMA]) on cerebral blood flow: a co-registered SPECT and MRI study. Psychiatry Research-Neuroimaging, Section 98 (2000) 15-28.]
The MDMA users in Dr. Chang's study averaged 211 exposures to MDMA, with a range of from 6-1500 exposures. The average amount of MDMA consumed was 13.1 grams. There were no significant differences in amount of cerebral blood flow between the MDMA users and the controls, either globally or in specific brain regions. Furthermore, none of the MDMA users showed any signs of stroke, as measured by MRI scans.
In Dr. Chang's study, 10 of the subjects were scanned again, after the administration of two doses of MDMA. Cerebral blood flow was reduced somewhat in some brain regions at two weeks after the last dose of MDMA. 2 subjects were scanned again after 10 weeks and were found to have elevated cerebral blood flow in some regions. Dr. Chang reported, "Our findings suggest that the initially decreased rCBF normalizes with time and may even increase above baseline at later time points."
drrman
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BigCracker said:
same shit happened to me, but with GHB...you can go back and read some of my posts on here in 2000, 2001 where i thought it was a good, safe drug if used right, and no way i would ever get addicted....well i was WRONG....the shit snuck up on me after years of a little here and a little there......probably one of the toughest things in my life i have ever done.....kicking that shit
MassDestruction
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Agree with BigCracker. 100%
DiggerDan3
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anthony roberts said:
Thank you!
WhiteCastle
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X, Coke, and Acid seem to drain my brain of chemicals in the, and when I start comming down, I get into this introspective nightmare. Shrooms did the same thing to me.. Weed just made me lazy and introverted. Pills make me feel like I am drunk and want to vomit.. Except for ValiumAhMadKooL said:
Heroine is the fucking DEVIL. Meth/crank is coke ON coke and there is nothing good about it except for all the work you get done... AS LONG as you don't overdo it and get all scatterbrained... All in all I would have to say the most FUN drug I ever used is X! It was some good shit, but I will never do it again.... And the worst thing I ever did was Heroine... It just makes you feel like so much shit... Steroids on the other hand, you don't really 'feel' working and they will make your body better than you can make it on it's own... I don't do ANY drugs anymore BUT juice occasionally when I get the urge...
AinteasybeingDiesie
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I feel you about getting shit done. Tina is the bomb around the house! Still to this day althought it is increasingly hard to find. K is and allways be my favorite. But the way to go is to crush up an X and put it in the bumper with the K - We be clubben!
I have a nak for controlling my shit - seriously I can go out once every 2 or 3 months on a big night. I love it cause all my friends are still right there in the club where I left them, I just come in bigger and more ripped. When I do go out I go out hard core as with everything else I do.
Dont be skered of a little recreation my brotha. thats were all the horny ladies are at!
I have a nak for controlling my shit - seriously I can go out once every 2 or 3 months on a big night. I love it cause all my friends are still right there in the club where I left them, I just come in bigger and more ripped. When I do go out I go out hard core as with everything else I do.
Dont be skered of a little recreation my brotha. thats were all the horny ladies are at!
BigCracker
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narshh said:
Maybe I can cop a reach around off of you next time too? It's all love bro. lol
anthony roberts said:
That is only 1 case.. I was a heavy user back in 99-01, and I have no holes in my brain, and I am just as healthy then as I am now. These kind of stories piss me off, because its 1 person out of millions. Its like that one xtc commerical they kept playing all the time the last few years about this guys daughter who died and they did the tox screen and only drug in her system was xtc.. Xtc maybe it did kill her, but maybe she had other conditions that contributed to her death as well..
Bruce
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i am not trying to start a fire. simply passing on info that i have seen, trust me ive done my share of e and hope to god there are no holes in my brain. i take it that the examples, such as the girl on abc whose brain had holes were doing a lot of other drugs at a much greater rate than you or I. still if there is a chance that a compound could put holes in my brain true or not i want to know that.
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AinteasybeingDiesie
Banned
Dude e was originally created as an psychiatric drug. The shit is medicial man, at the most stressfull times in my life I used it like therapy, and it works!
--- plus it makes me like a machine in bed bro.
anything in modoration is okay.
--- plus it makes me like a machine in bed bro.
anything in modoration is okay.
AinteasybeingDiesie said:
So doing coke and heroin in moderation is ok? Im sure that is not what you are teaching your kids, if you have any..
bigmouth2006
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Big_Joe said:
all drugs release dopamine in the brain and there the word dope is born
DiggerDan3
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bruce410 said:
Still an ignorant (read NOT dumb) statement. Here's why...
Speaking as a generalization, in this case, accomplishes nothing. Being a member of this board you probably are aware of the 'generalizations' that take place in the media regarding AAS use/abuse. For example, when the media uses the phrase 'roid rage', the issue with teens using AAS and depression or ephedrine causing heart attacks of healthy users. The media plays these issues off like every person who uses steroids will go on a killing spree or every user of ephedrine will die of heart attack, even if you're healthy. Everyone on this board knows this bullshit is simply not true.
bruce410 said:
I read this as a generalization about ecstasy users. Simply if you use ecstasy, even in moderation, your brain will have holes in it. Media/government propaganda at its worst.
U believe it cause 20/20 said so? If you do...then you are ignorant. To clarify what ignorant is...
ig·no·rant
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
I'd be more than happy to take this off the board and to email. I'd love to hear your experiences and insight regarding the use and abuse of MDMA.
bruce410 said:
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P.S. At some point in each of our own lives we were ignorant about something. But when you're dumb, you're just dumb.
P.S.S. Didn't mean to hijack the thread. My sincere apologies.
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BigCracker
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Big_Joe said:
Roids are dope too. Chemical, vice, habit, hobby, or otherwise, if it makes you feel good it's dope. If it affects your life, relationships, physical or mental well being in a negative way, you have a problem. If it's something you can't live without, you're an addict. Denial is the 1st sign. Nobody's perfect either, so don't feel bad. .
Bruce
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sorry i must be dumb...ask around ive helped more people here than you ever will. i guess i wasn't aware dumb people went to top universities and law schools. hmmm. anyway dipshit before you get blacked out. i don't believe it cause someone said it i saw the fucking brain scan, if you read my post you'd see that i state she was taking many other drugs which could have caused this. there was pictures of the brain scan and pictures of the actual brain itself.
DiggerDan3 said:Still an ignorant (read NOT dumb) statement. Here's why...
Speaking as a generalization, in this case, accomplishes nothing. Being a member of this board you probably are aware of the 'generalizations' that take place in the media regarding AAS use/abuse. For example, when the media uses the phrase 'roid rage', the issue with teens using AAS and depression or ephedrine causing heart attacks of healthy users. The media plays these issues off like every person who uses steroids will go on a killing spree or every user of ephedrine will die of heart attack, even if you're healthy. Everyone on this board knows this bullshit is simply not true.
I read this as a generalization about ecstasy users. Simply if you use ecstasy, even in moderation, your brain will have holes in it. Media/government propaganda at its worst.
U believe it cause 20/20 said so? If you do...then you are ignorant. To clarify what ignorant is...
ig·no·rant
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
I'd be more than happy to take this off the board and to email. I'd love to hear your experiences and insight regarding the use and abuse of MDMA.
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P.S. At some point in each of our own lives we were ignorant about something. But when you're dumb, you're just dumb.
P.S.S. Didn't mean to hijack the thread. My sincere apologies.
BigCracker
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And FYI-all media, internet, and written material on any given subject is 99% bullshit.
Between webmasters trying to draw peeps to their sites, cable/tv news stations struggling for ratings, newspapers trying to sell more newspapers, and book authors trying to sell more books, you must realize anything worthy of hype is something they will all capitalize on.
In addition, they'll add their own spin(positive or negative) to make their finished product seem more alluring than the other guy's. Very little actual, factual news/411 is ever distributed in comparison to all of the bullshit.
It takes an open mind, thought, and concious effort to sift through the shit and draw your own conclusions. It's easy to believe whatever you see on tv or read. That's exactly what our govt wants-a bunch of mindless automotons that blindly follows whatever bullshit the media throws there way without ever questioning it.
They say this is the information age-they should call it the "mis"information age.
Between webmasters trying to draw peeps to their sites, cable/tv news stations struggling for ratings, newspapers trying to sell more newspapers, and book authors trying to sell more books, you must realize anything worthy of hype is something they will all capitalize on.
In addition, they'll add their own spin(positive or negative) to make their finished product seem more alluring than the other guy's. Very little actual, factual news/411 is ever distributed in comparison to all of the bullshit.
It takes an open mind, thought, and concious effort to sift through the shit and draw your own conclusions. It's easy to believe whatever you see on tv or read. That's exactly what our govt wants-a bunch of mindless automotons that blindly follows whatever bullshit the media throws there way without ever questioning it.
They say this is the information age-they should call it the "mis"information age.
Bigcracker,
I feel ya on dancin with the devil. I was taking Dillis (hydromorphone, 6-8 times stronger than morphine) for only 3 weeks and had a month long withdrawl, lost 20lbs, couldnt eat sleep....i didnt think it could happen in that short of time, but i was wrong.
The good thing is its very diffictult to find for me and expensive, so i basically have no choice but to stay away. When im lucky enough to find some, its on a few, off a few.
Never tried, X, cant find any Pure MDMA and am scared of a heart attack from all the other shit in it nowadays.
Still, nothing lets you unwind like opiates, the best feeling for real.
I feel ya on dancin with the devil. I was taking Dillis (hydromorphone, 6-8 times stronger than morphine) for only 3 weeks and had a month long withdrawl, lost 20lbs, couldnt eat sleep....i didnt think it could happen in that short of time, but i was wrong.
The good thing is its very diffictult to find for me and expensive, so i basically have no choice but to stay away. When im lucky enough to find some, its on a few, off a few.
Never tried, X, cant find any Pure MDMA and am scared of a heart attack from all the other shit in it nowadays.
Still, nothing lets you unwind like opiates, the best feeling for real.
Destroyer1986*
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God damn I hate fucking recreational drugs, why a person would do that to themselves is beyond me.
Destroyer1986* said:
Have you ever taken opiates before? Vicodan for pain, like 3 at a time. If you have, you will understand why people use them. Im not saying its the smartest thing to do because of the problems it can cause, but the pleasurable feeling is indescribable. Its a feeling you cant get anywhere else and ANYTHING that may be stressing you goes away. Complete bliss.
Destroyer1986*
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bigrand said:
Have you ever lost a friend before due to reccies? You can see where Im coming from and my strong dislike for them.
Alot of peoples lives have been wasted and destroyed by these so called bliss drugs.
Im a bodybuilder and never have any intention of negating stress by using potentially fatal drugs.
BigCracker
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Destroyer1986* said:
Isn't it funny how recreational drug users often say the same thing about roids?
I like, don't want my like, nuts to shrivel up man. Pass me the bong. <stoner voice>.
BigCracker
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bigrand said:
Yeah, when my father died about 10 yrs ago I had a bottle of 60 percocetts that I self medicated myself with for 2 weeks after he died. I swear the month afterwards not taking them fucked me up worse than I was to begin with. Luckily I never had a consistent source. Nubain was a different story. My guy was always well stocked and lived only 4 miles away. One day after 5 yrs he told me to cut back cuz he was out and he'd be dry for a week. I knew the 1st 3 days of WD's would be Hell, so there was no way I was going back to it once I got through it. It feels good to not have that monkey on my back anymore-but damn I miss training on that shit. I never got tired and doing an extra 2-3 sets per bodypart never seemed like a bad idea.
Destroyer1986*
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BigCracker said:
Reccie users say that roids kill people and destroyer families in the process aswell as others around?
Sure........
Dont even debate or class roids in the same category as recreational drugs.
Trojan Horse
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Never done E, but have seen the effects it has on people while they are on it. I have also seen how people are when they come off it. Although the user feels great when they are "rolling" their heart rate is racing, their body temperature is elevated and they become dehydrated. The crash is extreme and takes a serious toll on the body and mind. I'm sure that it would throw off your cycle quite a bit. It sounds like a very bad idea. to take it.
AinteasybeingDiesie
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My popps od'd on heroin. I have seen the destruction drugs can do --- If you have an addictive personality! Some people can have a glass of wine for dinner, some have to drink all day & nite till they get hepotitis of the liver & shit.
Like me & kingpin said --- moderation bro. I personally can go out to a club for a friends birthday or something get banged up & celebrate then go right back to reality. but thats is me - my dad on the otherhand partied till he died. KNOW THYSELF! If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
I am not promoting partying in anyway. But dont labalize people cause & think you are better then them cause they use rec's to enjoy.
I think TOOL said it best, drugs have done good things for our lives and if you dont think so go home & through out all you favorite albums, cause the people that made them where -- REEAAALLLL fucked up on drugs!
Like me & kingpin said --- moderation bro. I personally can go out to a club for a friends birthday or something get banged up & celebrate then go right back to reality. but thats is me - my dad on the otherhand partied till he died. KNOW THYSELF! If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
I am not promoting partying in anyway. But dont labalize people cause & think you are better then them cause they use rec's to enjoy.
I think TOOL said it best, drugs have done good things for our lives and if you dont think so go home & through out all you favorite albums, cause the people that made them where -- REEAAALLLL fucked up on drugs!
BigCracker
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AinteasybeingDiesie said:
I sure could use a vacation from this bullshit-three ring-circus side show of freaks.
Maynard rules-and does a shitload of drugs. lol And what's up with all the bands with lead singers that were abused and/or had religion pounded up there ass as a kid? Ex Tool, Staind, Disturbed, etc. All of their lyrics are so fucking deep. I should've been a musician. Those pencilnecks get more ass than a public restroom toilet seat.
BigCracker
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Destroyer1986* said:
Like your shit doesn't stink?
Now you sound just like the stereotypical meathead ignoramus bodybuilder. For the bazillionth time, plus one more just for you:
I have a message for all of you self righteous, "but roids are different" guys- All Recreational Drugs, RX Painkillers, RX Anti-anxiety/ depressants, RX Muscle Relaxers, Viagra/Cialis, Roids, Alcohol, Tobacco, Sex, Porn, Masturbation, The Internet, Food, Shopping, Gambling, Exercise, and even Religion-they are all dope!!! Anyone that overindulges in any of these things is going to have problems and has no room to talk shit about anyone else's lifestyle choices.
Tweakle
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the boundaries are blurred, most people who juice do it to look good with their shirt off in a nightclub, just like most bbers who club would take e and probably do a few lines while they're at it. I guess the people who find this hard to believe must live in little rural towns, or never go out. Most club kids are still scrawny fuckbags but there's a lot of your 'bros' rolling every weekend too
Destroyer1986*
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Never once did I deny that bodybuilders do reccies. I did not say I hate them, I said I hate what the drug does. Its after effects.
Big crack dont even try justify your reasoning of why you think reccies are less dangerous than gear, or even classify them in the same boat. Talk like this should be banned from the board all together and for a good reason. Sounds like you are promoting them!
Big crack dont even try justify your reasoning of why you think reccies are less dangerous than gear, or even classify them in the same boat. Talk like this should be banned from the board all together and for a good reason. Sounds like you are promoting them!
BigCracker
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Destroyer1986* said:
Banned? LOL! Banning me for my candid viewpoints on different vices we all possess would be equally as ridiculous as banning you for having arms and quads that are the same size.
We all take risks, some people are just more prone to tempt fate with some things than others. For some AAS use may be far more damaging than using recreational drugs and vice-versa.
Destroyer1986*
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BigCracker said:
I never said you should be banned, hold on there
. I said this type of talking should be banned, which co-incidently it is and for a good reason. You think my quads are the same size of my arms? LOL, ok.
BigCracker
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Destroyer1986* said:I never said you should be banned, hold on there
You think my quads are the same size of my arms? LOL, ok.
Maybe they're not-but I doubt your pic would be cropped at the waist if you were sportin' the quadzillas.
And banning the talk of recreational drug use here when so many AAS users are curious about the consequences of mixing them w/ AAS would only comprimise the quality of 411 on this board.
And if you think about it, the general public's view is that a needle is a needle-whether it's roids or heroin most people view them as the same status on the loser-meter. If it weren't for threads like this people would continued to be uninformed and unable to make their own unbiased judgements.
Also, the argument that rec drugs can kill you from an OD is true. However many AAS users use insulin to enhance their gains-one fuck up with that and they'll be pushing up daisies just like the junkie that OD's on tar heroin. So the roid lifestyle doesn't always come without risk of accidental death either.
Destroyer1986*
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BigCracker said:
This isnt general public, as for my leg size well. Judge for yourself. Reason its cropped at the waist is because im not a plat member and only allowed 100x100pixels.
Do not even throw insulin in the same category as AAS, its a different compound and works differently.
Im all for warning AAS users the dangers of reccies but when someone comes along and preach's that the feeling you get is absolute bliss then im going to get pissed as I feel its been promoted when all we are trying to do is improve our physiques not destroy them.
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gettinripped
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all bullshitting aside, i had some real fun times on many of the drugs talked about in this post. back in the 90's you could get good x. then the 5.0 started busting down on the shit really hard, next thing you know, here comes k and ghb and other shit. then h hit the scene and everything was fucked up from there. the dance floors were bare and everybody was sitting on the floor and throwing up. i remember back in the day @ The Club @ Firestone in Orlando, Kimball Collins, Sasha, Dave Seaman, those were truly the good ol' days. I am living proof, extended use of GOOD drugs is not harmful in long term effects. I have no sides from them, my brain is fully intact, my speech is not slowed, only thing i suffer from is sitting around dreaming of dropping a couple love doves and grooving out until the sun comes up. anybody that kows what I'm talking about can you give me a Hell Yeah!!
BigCracker
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Destroyer1986* said:
OK-than back up your arguments of why they are different and why using roids makes your shit stink any less than using rec drugs. BTW-do you use alcohol or use tobacco? Both of those are rec drugs-they just happen to be socially acceptable ones in the US. I myself don't drink and dislike being around alcoholics, but I don't feel as if I'm better than they are. Same goes for smoking/smokers. Sure I can sit there and think about how much better I l look and think my BB lifestyle is better than theirs, but that's just my own opinion on the personal choices I've made. Other people may not have the same wants/needs in their life to achieve happiness. Who are we to pass judgement on them whether they are stupid or not?
drrman
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gettinripped said:
OH MAN....the good old days......i think that was more of an "era" than it was just the good drugs bro...those days have come and gone....im just glad i got to experience them myself! i'd be if you had the same drugs now and went out it would NOT be the same...i've tried. it was just different back then!
And yes....i did my share of drugs....hell i did a shitload in my day.....i do think i may have damaged my short term memory a bit.....but it could just be me getting older
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gettinripped
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You must spread some Karma around before giving it to DRRman again.
who needs short term memory anyway!!
who needs short term memory anyway!!
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BigCracker
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Alzheimers???DRRman said:
BigCracker
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DRRman said:
That which does not kill you...
If this is true I'm Magnus Ver Magnuson.
Thats it, im only 24 and feel like i still need to get some of this shit out of my system......ive never done X but will soon, as well as get some opiates.....will use in moderation though.
Which do you prefer? Hydrocodone (i can get 2.5mg tabs) or dihydrocodeine (25mg tabs)? I would LOVE hydromorphone, but way to hard to get so ill stick with above.
Ive met some folks who make me want to experiment again....im all excited and shit!
Which do you prefer? Hydrocodone (i can get 2.5mg tabs) or dihydrocodeine (25mg tabs)? I would LOVE hydromorphone, but way to hard to get so ill stick with above.
Ive met some folks who make me want to experiment again....im all excited and shit!
bbkingpin
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Bro, no one is recommending or condoning illegal drug use. Be careful. All it takes is one time to get caught by the police and you are now in the system for life. Be careful. Extasy, if it is the real thing (hard to find 6 years ago, not sure of now), is really amazing, but it can only be enjoyed in the company of others. Worth trying but a care-free attitude about drugs can get you into trouble and even drastically alter the course of your future. Most people who abuse are eventually scared straight (if they are lucky) or fuck up their futures. Remember the haunting message of the Tom Cruise and Penelope Cruz movie, Vanilla Sky ... our decisions have consequences that we have to live with. And, while every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around, there comes a moment when one bad decision can be fatal, from which their is no more chance to turn it all around. Your enthusiasm right now about doing strong pain killers for recreational use is like running in the dark. Enthusiam without knowledge is like running in the dark.bigrand said:
BBkingpin said:
Point taken bro.
Ive already had a run in with hydromorphone a few years ago, and the withdrawls after a month of continual use. That was my problem, high doses and continual use. I plan to stick with softer shit, from time to time. Im going into medicine and have some knowedge of opiates i didnt have before, like how dilaudid is much more potent (and addictive) than morphine. My rec use will be reserved for weekends only, and as far as the X, im getting the mellow kind, not full of speed (getting from a reputable source, most likely i will test it anyways). Its one thing ive always wanted to try but never did cuz of the speed issues. Ive met people who are willing to do it with me and im not opposed to trying it once or twice. Im no worse for ware after my withdrawl, i know i cant use the shit continually now, now would i want to, its just a here or there thing.
Im in no way carefree about it, a month in hell was my withdrawl. But, i have taken other opiates from time to time with no problems, i didnt run them for weeks on end!
Ive learned alot since then and dont plan on making the same mistake twice, i cant afford to.
Everything in moderation, like my cycles!
