Reconsidering...

[minion]

"No, I am talking about the structure of your argument in relationship to a minority seeking equality before the dominant culture."
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This isn't used in the proper context. (for example: a black man cannot be "in the closet") Another option to ponder your sexual preference is a non-issue unless you make it one. Hence the term "flamer".

 

[minion]

"If you wish to say it is merely accidental, a coincidence, that your arguments are identical to those of people who opposed the Civil Rights movment, fine. If you think their similarity to the opposition directed at Jews (trying to overtake the economy!) in Europe is just a remarkable coincidence, fine. (Read Hannah Arendt.)"

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You really have to stretch the limits to see parallels between the two, really you do. There is little camparason. Jews had thousands of years of slavery by Egypt, Mass muders by the millions, and now antisemitism. The Black community had thousands of years of slavery, opression, and apartheid.

The gay community has what? Enequality in the work space? Cannot adopt in some states, can't have same sex marriage?

Trivial in comparason. What nerve! Its insulting really!

 

[minion]

"You call me evasive? You simply ignore the question of your argument's structural integrity with the statement that skin color is different from sexual orientation. That's evasive."

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I try and not make a habbit of spoon feeding. I leave things open for interpetation, perhaps that why I have failed to communicate, but evasiveness isn't my style. Besides didn't I accuse you of that first?

 

[musclebrains]

Yes, my intention was to echo it. Have a nice day.

 

[musclebrains]

"If you wish to say it is merely accidental, a coincidence, that your arguments are identical to those of people who opposed the Civil Rights movment, fine. If you think their similarity to the opposition directed at Jews (trying to overtake the economy!) in Europe is just a remarkable coincidence, fine. (Read Hannah Arendt.)"

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You really have to stretch the limits to see parallels between the two, really you do. There is little camparason. Jews had thousands of years of slavery by Egypt, Mass muders by the millions, and now antisemitism. The Black community had thousands of years of slavery, opression, and apartheid.

The gay community has what? Enequality in the work space? Cannot adopt in some states, can't have same sex marriage?

Trivial in comparason. What nerve! Its insulting really!

Apparently we can add your ignorance of the Holocaust to everything else. perhaps you could give Amnesty International a ringy-dingy to see if they agree with your assessment.

I wonder WHY you are so anxious to argue about something about which you are transparently uneducated.

 

[minion]

"In any case, I really don't have the wish to argue this with you. I do not respect your position -- yes you have every right to it -- but it is clear you are not going to change. And I am certainly not going to agree that gay people have some weird agenda of overtaking heterosexuality."

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That's where we differ I respect your perspective, however there needs to be some middle ground. As far as my reference to the Gay Agenda, by the actions of the gay community it is obvious.

Hey I'm not a anti gay guy really. I just disagree with some points. I like that show Will and Grace, so long as it comes on after 8pm.

 

[musclebrains]

I accept you as a person with the right to do as you wish so long as my rights are not infringed upon. What more could you ask for?

What gives you the right to be the only one allowed to take offense?
What gives you the right to take my rights away?
Why does my argument have less merit that yours?

"Compromise" essential. This all or nothing won't do.

What right is being taken from you by giving gay people equal protection under the law?

The idea,often repeated here, that we already have it is a complete fantasy. It is legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation except where it is specifically prohibited.

 

[musclebrains]

"In any case, I really don't have the wish to argue this with you. I do not respect your position -- yes you have every right to it -- but it is clear you are not going to change. And I am certainly not going to agree that gay people have some weird agenda of overtaking heterosexuality."

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That's where we differ I respect your perspective, however there needs to be some middle ground. As far as my reference to the Gay Agenda, by the actions of the gay community it is obvious.

Hey I'm not a anti gay guy really. I just disagree with some points. I like that show Will and Grace, so long as it comes on after 8pm.

No, it's not obvious. That was the entire point of my response several back. You produce words, like Jerry Falwell and his "Gay Agenda" but you never really say what you're talking about, just as Jerry never provided ANY argument that didn't come down to a matter of personal taste. Taste is not a reason to deny a group civil rights (although I know a few drag queens who deserve imprisonment for fashion violations).

 

[minion]

"Apparently we can add your ignorance of the Holocaust to everything else. perhaps you could give Amnesty International a ringy-dingy to see if they agree with your assessment.

I wonder WHY you are so anxious to argue about something about which you are transparently uneducated."

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For shame, I KNOW you can do better than this. "Apparently we can add your ignorance".

BTW "Mass muders by the millions" = Holocaust.

 

[musclebrains]

"Apparently we can add your ignorance of the Holocaust to everything else. perhaps you could give Amnesty International a ringy-dingy to see if they agree with your assessment.

I wonder WHY you are so anxious to argue about something about which you are transparently uneducated."

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For shame, I KNOW you can do better than this. "Apparently we can add your ignorance".

BTW "Mass muders by the millions" = Holocaust.

Oh, I see. I guess the fact that there weren't as many gay people to kill as Jews matters not in your little logical world, where proportion doesn't count. Those they got their hands on they did kill.

Jews big minority in Europe. Open homosexuals small minority. Got it?

Course they didn't get to kill as many Gypsies either, so they don't deserve protection either.

For shame. I know you can do better than this.

 

[gymtime]

Alright boys, that's enough. It's Saturday night. Who's up for a beer?

 

[minion]

"What right is being taken from you by giving gay people equal protection under the law?

The idea,often repeated here, that we already have it is a complete fantasy. It is legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation except where it is specifically prohibited."

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Adoption for one, it is the natural order of things to have a male and female role model.
Marriage is a "religious ceremony" which is against the religion, it lessens the definition of the word "marriage". Its too late for that one its been redefined already right under the noses of the hetro community.

 

[musclebrains]

"What right is being taken from you by giving gay people equal protection under the law?

The idea,often repeated here, that we already have it is a complete fantasy. It is legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation except where it is specifically prohibited."

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Adoption for one, it is the natural order of things to have a male and female role model.
Marriage is a "religious ceremony" which is against the religion, it lessens the definition of the word "marriage". Its too late for that one its been redefined already right under the noses of the hetro community.

HUH? How does my adopting a kid keep you from adopting one? How does my getting married, keep you from getting married? Try again. I know you can do better.

 

[minion]

gymtime 12:09pm Sunday over here.

 

[minion]

musclebrains, put your thinking cap on, I'm sure you can figure it out.

Oh and I LOVE the fact you have to bit my style, its awesome!!! A true testament.

 

[musclebrains]

You boys have a beer together. I'm going out for sodomy and to recruit soldiers in the war to, um, discredit heterosexuality.

 

[musclebrains]

musclebrains, put your thinking cap on, I'm sure you can figure it out.

Oh and I LOVE the fact you have to bit my style, it awesome!!! A true testament.

Indeed. But it's sad to see someone become sarcastic about irony.

 

[gymtime]

gymtime 12:09pm Sunday over here.

Scotch?

 

[minion]

musclebrains, I already stated I understand the gay community perspective, no I don't agree 100% but I understand.

The hetro community have listened and its high time for a rebuttle.

The hetro populus has been improperly represented by more outspoken people.


I beleive adoption by a gay couple is an unfair disadvantge to the child. I speak from experiance, one of my best friends mother is gay and has a life time partner, and he still to this day resents it. He loves his mom, and even his mom girl friend, but it makes him feel estranged. That's not to say that every hetro family dosn't harbor resentment though. However there is no consicious effort there either.

 

[minion]

"Indeed. But it's sad to see someone become sarcastic about irony."

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As far as this statement goes it is almost the basis for all comedy. NEXT!!!

 

[musclebrains]

LOL...Whose minion are you, Minion?

 

[minion]

YOURS...

 

[flexed1]

baby doc if you read my response prior you will see no rainbow flag, no gay parades, nor anything of the likes for me. minion as I said prior I respect your thoughts and if someone has a different view that's fine as long as its well thought. out. to the most degree yours are. however I have no set agenda to confuse todays youth nor convert folks to my beliefs. once again unless I tell you, you will not know I am gay. if you know me I will not rub my lifestyle in your face. if you know me you will see I have said and live by the fact that I need no special rights nor do I request them. you seem to have an issue with gays who have a different agenda than mine. I do understand your points but please again don't make all of your points based on what you perceive all gays to be like or to want. you say openly you have no problems with gays and I respect that. just don't bundle all of us into one category and I guess from there standpoint the gays who feel as though they need special rights or want to have a gay flag should be allowed to discus there beliefs. there will never be a right or wrong way as we area all creatures of habit and out thought process is pretty hard to change unless we open our minds to everything. I have opened my mine to things that are different and even if I don't understand they do not harm me and I will not judge. I think the original merit of this post was weapon x stating that he see's things a little different now and we should not lose sight of that. if you say you hate gays ( not you in general) or dispute the gene or think its gross and you have well laid out your beliefs and thought about them than I have no right to change your mind. if you hate for the purpose of hating anything different ( again not you) you are nothing more than a misinformed idiot.

 

[minion]

flexed1, I understand completly.