Recommendations for HRT

[FunFun]

I'm about to finish up a cycle early next month, but I've decided to continue on HRT instead of going off completely because I'm 49 and my natural testosterone production is dismal.

Previously I've used Andriol for HRT, but it's pretty useless with low absorption, expensive and has a very short half-life (about 6 hours).

Currently I'm using Sustanon 250 with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - at about 600/300 pw.

I have easy access to Sustanon, test cypionate, test enanthate and test proprionate.

I would be interested in hearing some suggestions about which would be the best way to go regarding product, dosage and frequency of injections purely for HRT with the aim of keeping my test levels at somewhere near the high end of normal. My bw is around 250 lbs.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

I'm about to finish up a cycle early next month, but I've decided to continue on HRT instead of going off completely because I'm 49 and my natural testosterone production is dismal.

Previously I've used Andriol for HRT, but it's pretty useless with low absorption, expensive and has a very short half-life (about 6 hours).

Currently I'm using Sustanon 250 with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - at about 600/300 pw.

I have easy access to Sustanon, test cypionate, test enanthate and test proprionate.

I would be interested in hearing some suggestions about which would be the best way to go regarding product, dosage and frequency of injections purely for HRT with the aim of keeping my test levels at somewhere near the high end of normal. My bw is around 250 lbs.

Were your levels dismal before using AAS?

Recommended TRT: 100 mg Test Cyp weekly.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Deca has no place in HRT. It replaces nothing and only further suppresses what T may remain naturally.

 

[Burpees]

You need blood work to determine where you stand, before and during your self appointed HRT/TRT.

I'd do 0.5ml of Cyp every 3rd-4th day. About 1ml (250mg) a week.

 

[pump1967]

I'm about to finish up a cycle early next month, but I've decided to continue on HRT instead of going off completely because I'm 49 and my natural testosterone production is dismal.

Previously I've used Andriol for HRT, but it's pretty useless with low absorption, expensive and has a very short half-life (about 6 hours).

Currently I'm using Sustanon 250 with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - at about 600/300 pw.

I have easy access to Sustanon, test cypionate, test enanthate and test proprionate.

I would be interested in hearing some suggestions about which would be the best way to go regarding product, dosage and frequency of injections purely for HRT with the aim of keeping my test levels at somewhere near the high end of normal. My bw is around 250 lbs.

100mg to 150mg/week.i found that 125mg/wk works the best for me at 185 lbs.you may go up to 200 mg but i would not go higher and definately test c or test e.and no deca at all.

 

[FunFun]

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - has no place in HRT. It replaces nothing and only further suppresses what T may remain naturally.

The Deca is part of my cycle, not my HRT.

 

[FunFun]

Were your levels dismal before using anabolic steroids?

Recommended TRT: 100 mg Test testosterone cypionate weekly.

I was off for 3 years up until my last cycle which I started this April. I had it tested just before I started...it was dismal.

I hadn't ever used anabolics until mid-40's, so I really don't have any idea how they were previous to that.

 

[FunFun]

You need blood work to determine where you stand, before and during your self appointed HRT/TRT.

I'd do 0.5ml of testosterone cypionate every 3rd-4th day. About 1ml (250mg) a week.

I was hoping for something which doesn't require such frequent injections. How would test cypionate work injected once a week?

 

[galaxy]

You need blood work to determine where you stand, before and during your self appointed HRT/TRT.

I'd do 0.5ml of Cyp every 3rd-4th day. About 1ml (250mg) a week.

Thats a pretty high dose for HRT. You must be way low. I take 150mgs Enanthate myself. I was lucky in that when I told my Dr. I wanted to come off and continue my TRT he just continued with Enanthat because that what I told him I was doing.

 

[Burpees]

I was hoping for something which doesn't require such frequent injections. How would test cypionate work injected once a week?

Cyp's half life is at about 5 or 6 days, so you may be able to do 1 injection a week. You would still have a bit of a drop. I believe the more often you inject, the more stable your blood levels, the least amount of sides. Thus, two injections a week would be perfect with Cyp or Enant.. 0.5ml on Mon, 0.5ml on Thur..

Thats a pretty high dose for HRT. You must be way low. I take 150mgs Enanthate myself. I was lucky in that when I told my Dr. I wanted to come off and continue my TRT he just continued with Enanthat because that what I told him I was doing.

I was just reading over my post. I should have emphasized on the dose I would do. I'm not on a Rx.. I produce T fine on my own, this is my first cycle. I am considering not coming off though for about a full year.. I would do 250mg of E or Cyp a week.. I figure there is not much difference in terms of shut down, but should help with progress and everything else. I'm debating still, if I should come off and see how well my natural production comes back up - this is the first time I suppress it.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

At your age, your natural levels are about 30-40mgs/week? have you had this checked?

If it is this and your purpose is only replacement therapy then there is no need to go above this dose / week. That would be around 0.3/0.35ml / week of 250mgs/ml when you have removed the weight of the ester.

But rather than diagnosing yourself, get to a doctor and ensure you are in need of continous test use

 

[hardrock]

I have been on TRT for almost 3 years now. I was way high at 250mg/week for the first year and a half, but that really isn't necessary.

I now use 125mg cyp/wk and have pretty much the same results as at the 250. I think 250 is just a waste and really doesn't do much more than the 125.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

You need blood work to determine where you stand, before and during your self appointed HRT/TRT.

I'd do 0.5ml of Cyp every 3rd-4th day. About 1ml (250mg) a week.

250 mg/ week is too much for lifetime TRT. It put me at over 1300 nl/dl midweek. And I am 250 pounds. Over 1300 is supraphysiological which increases risk of cardiovascular disease, according to the data that is presently available. 100 - 150 mg per week is optimal:

"While supraphysiological doses of testosterone and nonaromatizable androgens undoubtedly decrease plasma HDL cholesterol levels (2–4), physiologic testosterone replacement in older men has been associated with only a modest or no decrease in plasma HDL cholesterol (5,6)....

The available data suggest that serum testosterone levels in the range that is mid-normal for healthy young men are consistent with an optimal cardiovascular risk profile at any age, and that testosterone concentrations either above or below the physiologic male range may increase the risk of atherosclerotic heart disease."

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/26/6/1929

 

[jb160]

My Doc prescribed me test cyp one shot 200mg EOW. I kinda tweaked it to every 10 days cause I was getting some major lows around day 12 and 13 and since changing to 10 days it has been alot more stable. Get with your dr and see what he has to say and get all the bloodwork done. I get mine done about every 4 months.

 

[NEO1]

According to everything I have read Test Cyp's half life is 12 days. I am on TRT of 200mg/wk. Get my new bloodwork done 8/12

 

[pudzian2]

250 mg/ week is too much for lifetime TRT. It put me at over 1300 nl/dl midweek. And I am 250 pounds. Over 1300 is supraphysiological which increases risk of cardiovascular disease, according to the data that is presently available. 100 - 150 mg per week is optimal:

"While supraphysiological doses of testosterone and nonaromatizable androgens undoubtedly decrease plasma HDL cholesterol levels (2–4), physiologic testosterone replacement in older men has been associated with only a modest or no decrease in plasma HDL cholesterol (5,6)....

The available data suggest that serum testosterone levels in the range that is mid-normal for healthy young men are consistent with an optimal cardiovascular risk profile at any age, and that testosterone concentrations either above or below the physiologic male range may increase the risk of atherosclerotic heart disease."

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/26/6/1929

this lipid thing is all HIGHLY circumstantial. The correct dose of HRT should be determined with a doctor and by doign blood tests. lipid shifts can be from a whole host of things whether the dose of test is a little too high or not.

for lifetime hrt i think 125mgs of a longer ester per week is going to keep levels high/normal however for a guy competing or doing hrt between heavier cycles 250mg may be ideal if the benefits/health risks ratio is favorable... it all depends.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

this lipid thing is all HIGHLY circumstantial. The correct dose of HRT should be determined with a doctor and by doign blood tests. lipid shifts can be from a whole host of things whether the dose of test is a little too high or not.

for lifetime hrt i think 125mgs of a longer ester per week is going to keep levels high/normal however for a guy competing or doing hrt between heavier cycles 250mg may be ideal if the benefits/health risks ratio is favorable... it all depends.

The testosterone/lipid studies control for the host of things you mention.

But, of course, higher doses may have more health benefits than risks in some people - for example people with AIDs or some other wasting disease. But my prior post said lifetime TRT, and I was assuming a generally healthy person. I cannot really think of any circumstances where 250 mg per week rather than 100 would increase the benefit/health risk ratio between heavier cycles, unless you just mean anabolic benefit. But, if that is what you mean, you could justify a 1000 mg of test a week, if the anabolic benefits are worth the health risks for you. If you are talking about additional health benefits, which ones would those be?

While I have heard some doctors (mostly "anti-aging clinics") prescribing 200 mg per week, I don't recall anyone saying they get 250 mg per week from a medically legitimate doctor. It's possible, but I think it is rare. Of course, the medical field and its "best practices" could be behind the curve on this, and if people want to push the envelope and experiment with themselves, more power to them. I'm sticking with 100 per week myself until more studies are done.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

According to everything I have read Test Cyp's half life is 12 days. I am on TRT of 200mg/wk. Get my new bloodwork done 8/12

How many days after your injection are you having your blood drawn? It would be interesting to see the results. Should we make a betting pool?

If it's drawn 2-4 days after your injection, I would bet your serum test is 1300-1400. The day before your injection, maybe 800. Definitely high - and supraphysiological. We should make a betting pool

 

[NEO1]

Well Im injecting weekly on Sundays and my test is on a Tuesday, soooo......

 

[pump1967]

My Doc prescribed me test cyp one shot 200mg EOW. I kinda tweaked it to every 10 days cause I was getting some major lows around day 12 and 13 and since changing to 10 days it has been alot more stable. Get with your dr and see what he has to say and get all the bloodwork done. I get mine done about every 4 months.

i was doing that same protocol then switched to 100 mg every 5 days and found levels more stable.at 200 mg every 10 days i would feel the drop at day 8.

 

[pump1967]

How many days after your injection are you having your blood drawn? It would be interesting to see the results. Should we make a betting pool?

If it's drawn 2-4 days after your injection, I would bet your serum test is 1300-1400. The day before your injection, maybe 800. Definitely high - and supraphysiological. We should make a betting pool

on 100mg/week of test e i had bloodwork done 9 days after injection and test level was 492

 

[Harleymarleybone]

on 100mg/week of test e i had bloodwork done 9 days after injection and test level was 492

Sounds about right. When I was getting 200mg every two weeks, I had blood drawn 13 days after my injection - one day before the next one. My level was down to 250. I had gone from 1350 two days after my injection to 250 13 days later. My dumbass doc said this was acceptable, but I had him change it to weekly injections of 100mg (I have to go in for mine).