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Well, Starbuck's doesn't franchise... they only have company owned stores... McDonald's is of course the most famous Franchisor..

Yes you're off on the bank spreads, but that doesn't really matter. Yes they do profit, they take in deposits at one interest rate and loan it out at a marginally higher rate. That's how banks exist.

You're definitely a salesman lol, you can feel it even in your posts ;) I'd imagine you're pretty good in person.

How is looking at things annually vs. monthly complicating things? Isn't it just a matter of multiplying or dividing by 12? I mean I've taken dozens of finance and accounting classes... we always look at things either quarterly or annually... I understand you can look at something monthly... weekly... you can even compound interest daily (or continuously!) but the time interval you're analyzing is independent of your DTI... that's a constant.

I'll hit you up on AIM to talk more. Hell, can't hurt.
 
bran987 said:
Well, Starbuck's doesn't franchise... they only have company owned stores... McDonald's is of course the most famous Franchisor..

Yes you're off on the bank spreads, but that doesn't really matter. Yes they do profit, they take in deposits at one interest rate and loan it out at a marginally higher rate. That's how banks exist.

You're definitely a salesman lol, you can feel it even in your posts ;) I'd imagine you're pretty good in person.

How is looking at things annually vs. monthly complicating things? Isn't it just a matter of multiplying or dividing by 12? I mean I've taken dozens of finance and accounting classes... we always look at things either quarterly or annually... I understand you can look at something monthly... weekly... you can even compound interest daily (or continuously!) but the time interval you're analyzing is independent of your DTI... that's a constant.

I'll hit you up on AIM to talk more. Hell, can't hurt.

You have the mind of a damn engineer! LOL.. you're so damn stubborn.. haha.. I can assure you that I am not off with the bank making 12% return off YOUR money.. That is a modest estimate, at best. lol..

Why look monthly?? Welllllllllllllll.. aren't most installment loans and bills paid on a monthly basis? ah haaaaaaaa.. I see.. haha, bro, why multiply by 12 when you don't have to? Why look quarterly just b/c companies do quarterly reports.. Well, you're not a big company yet, you don't have that luxury, you need to look monthly, b/c essentially your expenses are based on a monthly time frame. You get down to the dirt and take away all your expenses and whatever you have left at the end of the month is your surplus. First, you must have proper protection, proper insurance. yeah, you'll buy car insurance for your car b/c you have to have it to get your tags, and yeah you'll buy homeowners insurance because you HAVE to have it, and hell you'll even buy a damn warranty on a friggin tv but you won't insure YOUR LIFE?!?!? Where's the logic? HOW COULD THIS BE? THis literally kills me, it puts me in tears man...

Anyhow, after you have a surplus (and properly insured based on 10 times your annual income) you then maximize your tax benefits, IE, dump more money in life insurance. After you maximize your tax benefits you sustain your emergency funds (which should be 3 times your monthly expenses) THEN you worry about investing. haha, people try to invest these days WITHOUT insurance, WITHOUT emergency funds, and WITHOUT taking in consideration tax benefits.

Look, the gov't looks at life insurance like this. Ok, this person is responsible enough to buy life insurance so that means I won't have to support his ass when he gets old. I"ll give him a tax break on any money he spends towards life insurance. Welllllllll, if you're smart you'll open up the maximum 4 policies per person per company. The fact is is that you can own 4 policies per SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER per company.. hehe.. that's right, I can buy a life insurance policy on you as long as i have your social and you sign the agreement. Of course if it's under $99k in coverage you won't even have to take a health exam with the main company I use since you are so young. :) If the gov't gives you an inch you take a damn mile damnit. THAT is how you build an estate.

And if you're worried about what that money is doing in your life insurance policy well we have a couple options. 1st, our flagship product called an Equity Index Universal Life (EIUL for short). An EIUL is a universial life insurance policy and it guarantees your principle plus 1% in writing. The only down fall is that you are capped at 12.5% ror. The EIUL is based on the S&P 500. The S&P 500 has averaged 12% over the life of the index. The S&P 500 isn't going down anytime soon and if it does, you're still guaranteed 1%.. :)

or

Our Variable Universal Life policy is awesome. There is no guarantee in writing for your principle but the subaccount for our VUL is the Clarion REITS Real Estate Mutual Fund. Which is secured by trusts. I just looked at my statement the other day, I have been averaging 40% ror over the past 7 months, not bad for tax free money.

How does it work out being tax free? here's how..

You overfund your policy. For example, my cost of insurance right now is only $22.50 on one of my policies. My target premium is $140/month. The $22.50 goes directly to the insurance company the remaining money is then put in a subaccount. The subaccount undergoes beautiful compound interest and the money grows nicely. Yes, you will pay a penalty if you want to access the money within the first few years. However, later down the road after the first 7 years, you may 'borrow' money from your policy. Legally this 'borrowing' is actually a loan. Here is how the loan works. You contact the insurance company and let them know that you need to 'borrow' some money. The insurance company then takes whatever amount of money you need out the cash value in your subaccount and places it in another account. They 'lend' you the specific amount you requested. They then charge your subaccount 1% interest for the loan but then then credit the other sub account that same 1% thus making it an even transaction. This makes it a legal loan according to the IRS. Brilliant isn't it?

Oh, and by the way Starbucks is a franchise. They don't franchise out to Uncle joe and Aunt Susie, but they are franchised out to different trusts. They are owned by different entities :)

T-Matt
 
Ok, guys this is good stuff. To answer your question about residential FNMA will let you finance up to 20 props but most conventional lenders will cap your loans at a total of 4 or up to $1M. They don't want to be holding the entire bag when your little empire crashes.

Also, don't worry about DTI. You can use the rental income (at 75% of gross to qualify) at refi and the rents on the market rent analysis at acquisiton as income.

My personal strategy - everyone is diferent - is to buy the multis in my own name. I use 100% financing but not an option ARM at acquisition because even Southstar won't go to 100% for investment props. I use one loan with a blended rate with no MI or prepay penalty. I am stated income/verified assets because I am self employed and would rather pay less taxes than show enough income to qualify for full doc. The blended rate right now is anywhere from 8.75 - 9.5% depending on who you use.

I buy bank owned props (REOs) so they always need some work. My guys get the work done in usually less than 30 days and we rent out the units. Then I refinance into an Option ARM up to 75-80% of the new (current) value taking some cash out to replenish the fix up costs that I funded out of pocket.

Once they are in this financing I quit claim the prop into my LLC and hold for at least 12 months. I make the monthly payments from my LLC account and SAVE COPIES OF THE CHECKS. THEN I refinance again in the name of my LLC and the loans come off my personal credit and go on my biz credit.
 
Also I don't agree with the advise of making the min payment on the option ARM. Only allow your loan to negatively amortize in an emergency. Protect your equity (and net worth) and make the interest only payment.
 
GatsbyGirl said:
Also I don't agree with the advise of making the min payment on the option ARM. Only allow your loan to negatively amortize in an emergency. Protect your equity (and net worth) and make the interest only payment.

Awesome info!! Thanks!

I see it like this. As long as my ROR is greater than the compound interest on my negative amoritizing loan, I am happy. I will gladly pay down the deferred interest right before the loan is set to recast.. The more money I can borrow, the more money I can make.. :)

T-Matt
 
GatsbyGirl said:
Ok, guys this is good stuff. To answer your question about residential FNMA will let you finance up to 20 props but most conventional lenders will cap your loans at a total of 4 or up to $1M. They don't want to be holding the entire bag when your little empire crashes.

Also, don't worry about DTI. You can use the rental income (at 75% of gross to qualify) at refi and the rents on the market rent analysis at acquisiton as income.

My personal strategy - everyone is diferent - is to buy the multis in my own name. I use 100% financing but not an option ARM at acquisition because even Southstar won't go to 100% for investment props. I use one loan with a blended rate with no MI or prepay penalty. I am stated income/verified assets because I am self employed and would rather pay less taxes than show enough income to qualify for full doc. The blended rate right now is anywhere from 8.75 - 9.5% depending on who you use.

I buy bank owned props (REOs) so they always need some work. My guys get the work done in usually less than 30 days and we rent out the units. Then I refinance into an Option ARM up to 75-80% of the new (current) value taking some cash out to replenish the fix up costs that I funded out of pocket.

Once they are in this financing I quit claim the prop into my LLC and hold for at least 12 months. I make the monthly payments from my LLC account and SAVE COPIES OF THE CHECKS. THEN I refinance again in the name of my LLC and the loans come off my personal credit and go on my biz credit.

You are absolutely right, Southstar will not do 100% NOO, I just recomfirmed that with my AE.. Thanks for that!

The only issue with a blended loan is the MI and the MI can be EXTREMELY costly. I'm definitely interested in finding a few lenders who offer 100% financing on one loan with NO MI.. I also agree w/ the SIVA b/c I hate Uncle Sam just as much as you do.

There is some genius to this. I like the quit claim deed and how you season the title for 12 months and refi to the LLC, you can own a lot more properties with that method and if all your assets are tied up in your LLC and a gold digging broad can't touch em! :)

Seriously guys, this is solid information.

T-Matt
 
Couple of things - if you're neg am then make sure you have an option arm that will recast because not all of them do. And on the 100% one loan I use them only if they have no MI or PPP. Lately I am using GN Mortgage and Homecomings.

I kind of like being called a genius... lol
 
GatsbyGirl said:
Couple of things - if you're neg am then make sure you have an option arm that will recast because not all of them do. And on the 100% one loan I use them only if they have no MI or PPP. Lately I am using GN Mortgage and Homecomings.

I kind of like being called a genius... lol

Homecomings.. noted..

For my Option Arms I mainly use either SouthStar, AMNET, or Countrywide.. Always MTA, never LIBOR.. I will occasionally use the COSI with World Savings.. World Savings sucks tho... well, they do when you look at the HUD statement and see the yield spread.. :(

Our main objective is for our client to have the lowest payment possible. We try to do all Option Arms. Of course when we run into clients with poor credit, I do offer credit repair free of charge.. If they have lates on their mortgage we refinance to clean up their mortgage history and give them a band aid loan and then come around and refi Option Arm after 24 months of on time payments.

I'm getting more and more familiar with Commercial loans. I know enough now to know that they are a pain in the ass.. lol.. From what I see 2 out of 10 close.. I work very close with the man responsible for bringing the Lightning to Tampa Bay.. He did the Commercial Loan for them.. A very nice commission, I must add..

You definitely seem to have a grasp on the investor's side of Residential.. If you're ever in the Tampa/St. Pete area I'd love to sit down and have a cup of coffee with you. (I'm more of a sugarfree Red Bull fan tho)

T-Matt
 
Ahhh...commercial is a TOTALLY different ball game. Hard as hell but so worth it. There are tricks and strategies in commercial that can get around a lot of the low LTV rules but for the most part you better have a smoking deal and a building that is producing income.

I get to FL a few times a year and fly into Tampa on my way to Ocala so I may take you up on that. Lemon Zinger herbal tea for me!
 
GatsbyGirl said:
Ahhh...commercial is a TOTALLY different ball game. Hard as hell but so worth it. There are tricks and strategies in commercial that can get around a lot of the low LTV rules but for the most part you better have a smoking deal and a building that is producing income.

I get to FL a few times a year and fly into Tampa on my way to Ocala so I may take you up on that. Lemon Zinger herbal tea for me!

It's funny isn't it? How you can't get a Commercial Loan without CASHFLOW, yet the first thing people think when they buy an investment home in Residential is appreciation... If people could just change their mindsets and treat their own life like a business they would be a lot more successful.. Seriously, the best gift you can buy your children for Christmas this year is Robert Kyosaki's game CASHFLOW.. Thank me later.. :)

Great! I'll be looking forward to it.. haha, I thought you were a mocha grande latte frappee luppee super duper ultra deluxe cappuccino kinda gal.. Ocala? What the heck are you doing in Ocala? lol... Do you own a farm?

T-Matt
 
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