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Razorguns

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This is funny.

I got a typical scam email in my inbox last week -- so being bored and out of chocolate chip ice cream -- i decided to role/play and see how far this'd go.

The original email:

"Good Day,

Sorry We have found all people we need, However we may
gladly offer you another work at home - Sales/Exchange
Manager

We cater for various services to our clients - software
development, web design, web sites development, advertising
of sites through the Internet, consulting services covering
rather wide range of IT-technologies items.We establsih
local networks with online support. Wireless networks and
Adsl Internet lines.

Here is the description of work:

We work with corporate clients and some of them prefer to do
wire transfers, however we cannot receive international wire
transfers because of heavy taxes. Tax for international wire
transfer is 25%. There is no sense for us to work in such a
way, however we don't want to lose our clients. You need to
have Paypal/bank account. System is completely automated.
You will work only 1-2 hours a day, receive, process
payments from our clients through your Paypal/Bank account.
Report about all new payments - earn minimum $1500-$2000 per
month.

Your salary will be 10-20% from every processed amount (you
begin from 10%).

Duties and Responsibilities:

1) Receive, process payments
2) Report about all new payments
3) Keep records

How To Apply:

If you would like to pursue this opportunity simply e-mail
to [email protected]
Contact name: Dina.

She will respond promptly.

Best Wishes,
Worotel Communications

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I email 'em back and say i'm interested.

They email back, saying it worsk by THEM sending me money, and i immediately WESTERN UNION'ing them money back minus my commission. Some bullshit about clients needing money immediately, and saves on interest, and you make more commission that way. Whatever.

So i supply my paypal email.

Next email:

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Dear RG.,

Your Paypal account name was received. Money will be sent on Monday.

Please check your e-mail 2 times per day.

Please send all emails, replyes, questions about transfers to
[email protected]

Also you will need to count all fees and send us email with it (Microsoft Word
Document or Regular E-mail) after you sent us each transfer. Here is example:

Your Full name (name of the sender of Western Union transfer):
Amount received on Paypal account:
Amount After Paypal Fee:
Amount After My Commision:
Amount sent through Western Union:
Western Union Fee:
Money Transfer Control Number(MTCN):

Regards,

Dina

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Okay. Then I get another email:

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Good day RG.,

PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL WITH PAYPAL FEE.

Money from Paypal account ([email protected]) was transfered to your
Paypal account ([email protected]).

Amount is $880.00.

Paypal fee is $25.82 (2.9% + $0.30)
Amount you got after Paypal fee is $854.18
Your comission is $103(12%) if you send money today-tomorrow
You need to send $751.18
Western Union fee is about $60
You need to send us $691.18

We have counted approximate values. So you may recount it and send to this
email.

Send us money through Western Union to our worker TODAY (option B) and send us
Western Union information.

Information of our worker:

First Name:Katerina
Last Name:Bogdanova
City:Nikolaev
Country:Ukraine

Please provide us MTCN (Money Transfer Control Number). Western Union will give
it to when you send money. And Exact amount.

This information is necessary for us to receive money.

We also need next information: Country, City, State and SENDER (of Western Union
transfer) FIRST and LAST NAME.
You can confirm transfer and all fees to this e-mail ([email protected]).

PLEASE DON"T SEND WESTERN UNION TRANSFER FROM ONLINE, THERE ARE ALWAYS A LOT OF
PROBLEMS.
PLEASE SEND WESTERN UNION TRANSFER FROM GROUND OFFICES.

Also Western Union online has higher fees than in ground offices and also
Western Union online has $1000 limit per month.

Thank you.
Transaction Department
Worotel Communications

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FOLLOWED by an email from Paypal with the subject:

"You have just received money!" (from xxx for $880.00).

Legitimate email from paypal.

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I'm like wow. Maybe they are legit (yeah right). So what's the catch?

I logon to paypal, and sure enough there's the transaction. BUT!!!!

"Follow-up Transaction: REVERSAL of $880.00"

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THE SCAM HAS BEEN UNCOVERED!

1) Send money to victims
2) Immediately "reverse" the transfer.
3) Paypal only sends email detailing "Money has been sent", but not follow-up email of "Money has been cancelled".
4) Dumb victims might only read the email, then run off to Western Union and send off the money same day.
5) By the time victims logon to paypal.com to withdraw cash -- they notice then that it's been reversed!

Nice. I wonder how many bozos fall for it. I assume they probably hit 500 folks a day, and even if only 3 bozo americans fall for it -- that's some good pocket change.

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I emailed them saying "Hey! It's been reversed! Send the money again, but don't reverse it".

No reply.

Oh, they even have a nice fake website up: www.worotel.com

I even sent all info to paypal -- like they'll care.
 
From Zero said:
You should have watched Paypal like a hawk, and as soon as you saw that transfer, you should have stuck it into your bank account, or bought a bunch of shit.

Would that work? If its possible I will try it.
 
From Zero said:
You should have watched Paypal like a hawk, and as soon as you saw that transfer, you should have stuck it into your bank account, or bought a bunch of shit.

They probably did the reversal like 1.2 seconds later after the transfer. I think all monies u send is completely reversable until 2-3 days have passed. Not sure on the specifics or what the loophole is.

Which is why when i receive money from ebay auctions -- i immediately "withdraw" it -- so they can't pull a reverse on me after i send off the package the next day.
 
n0th1ng said:
Would that work? If its possible I will try it.

I guess hypothetically it is, provided they don't IMMEDIATELY withdrawal the transfer. If there's a window of a few minutes, I don't see how it couldn't.
 
nice man, great detail. Glad to see you didn't get scammed.
 
Contact Western Union and the ISP as well. You can be a royal pain in their arse over this.
 
Well here's screen shots of what it showed in paypal.

It came from some Paula Snook account. So i'm assuming they were able to hack into her account -- and then sent the money probably from some stolen credit card, or even her account...

and then sent the email to western union it to someplace in Ukraine.

And if i complain -- it goes to some Paula Snook chick.

Smart buggers. They got it all worked out.

http://www.rpanda.com/scam1.jpg
http://www.rpanda.com/scam2.jpg

And yeah, Paypal folks are STUPID. You'd think instead of spending millions on their execs and marketing -- they'd spend it on hiring intelligent folks who'd realize that "if you don't send an email on a transaction that's been reversed, SOMEONE could use it to their advantage".

Total dummies that work there. Even if i could've figured that out in some technical meeting.

(btw: Did you KNOW that someone could send you a payment thru their credit card, you ship the item, they file a claim against their credit card, credit card rescends the payment, paypal takes it out of YOUR account, and you could wind up with NOTHING for what you sent!?!)
 
Razorguns said:
Well here's screen shots of what it showed in paypal.

It came from some Paula Snook account. So i'm assuming they were able to hack into her account -- and then sent the money probably from some stolen credit card, or even her account...

and then sent the email to western union it to someplace in Ukraine.

And if i complain -- it goes to some Paula Snook chick.

Smart buggers. They got it all worked out.

http://www.rpanda.com/scam1.jpg
http://www.rpanda.com/scam2.jpg

And yeah, Paypal folks are STUPID. You'd think instead of spending millions on their execs and marketing -- they'd spend it on hiring intelligent folks who'd realize that "if you don't send an email on a transaction that's been reversed, SOMEONE could use it to their advantage".

Total dummies that work there. Even if i could've figured that out in some technical meeting.

(btw: Did you KNOW that someone could send you a payment thru their credit card, you ship the item, they file a claim against their credit card, credit card rescends the payment, paypal takes it out of YOUR account, and you could wind up with NOTHING for what you sent!?!)
man people only accept paypal if its via direct bank transfer because of the reasons you cited at the end.
 
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