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R-ALA: Meet prep and more...

spatts

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During the prep process for the Tulsa comp, I asked a few guys if they had tried R-ala for their carb-up. The general response was, “What’s R-ala.” I thought I’d give a little info on it for those that are still curious, as I think it could be the weapon of choice for many lifters, especially those “supplementing” and those trying to “make weight.” Much of the following is snipped from posts by Ulter, the resident R-ala guru.

R-ala is the natural version of ala (alpha lipoic acid). Regular ALA is a 50/50 mix of natural and synthetic. The problem is that the synthetic actually gets in the way of the natural and inhibits its ability to lower insulin levels. No matter what level of carbs you are eating you want the carbs to go to the muscle cells. R-ALA makes the muscle cells accept more nutrients so you will get stronger. What does this mean for you? If you are trying to make weight by dropping carbs, but are uncertain about what water loss will do to your joints, and what strength you will lose low carbing, AND if you will be able to RELOAD in time for the meet, etc...R-ala is your best friend. You can practically stay in a state of ketosis while eating a pizza. Most people are finding the best thing about it is the fact that you can eat/drink sugar carbs like the ones in your pre or post workout shake and keep those carbs partitioned to your muscle cells. If you take a pre workout shake with a lot of carbs and drink a carb drink, you just take r-ALA with it and your pumps are incredible because the carbs are going straight to your muscles...this is great if you have 24 hours from weigh in to be at your best. Mark your weights to check for strength increases; It should do that. It will also make you think better...it makes the neurotransmitters work faster. This is a HUGE factor for any powerlifter; we rely on those neurotransmitters to do what we do.

On top of the mega fat burning effect, its ability to suppress insulin, its impact on neurotransmitters, etc…it is first a foremost a VERY POWERFUL ANTIOXIDANT. If you are “on” and especially If you are on a 17aa AS, you can use R-ala to keep your liver from exploding while you cycle. ;) It will help you clear out after too, by regenerating damaged cells.

ALA is taken at about 100mg per 30g CHO (about 3x the effectiveness of racemic ala), and can be taken as you are about to eat…it’s in your system and working THAT fast.

In summary:

It is used to help your liver regenerate damaged cells.
It is used to make your muscle cells drink up more glucose so it doesn't get sent to the fat cells for storage.
It makes the neurotransmitters in your brain work faster.
It cleans out iron deposits left in the brain.
It regenerates the other anti oxidants like C, E, and Beta Carotene. When you take these vitamins they don't work very long and the r-ALA will give them new life.
 
spatts,

Have you 'experienced' any of what you claim this stuff does?

And, can you give me details of the experience. (e.g. Did you actually measure if you were in ketosis while on this stuff, etc)

The reason I ask is that for the 15 years I have been lifting, rarely does anything you can buy over the counter do a damn thing. I know all the creatine-heads will jump all over me, but I could never use it properly because of my stomach.

There are only 2 supplements I put stock in:

1. protein
2. ephedrine

I respect your research, but am just wondering if you can back it up with personal experience.

/irish
 
I'm quite the skeptic myself, and I have a unique reason for using R-ala. I don't use creatine or glutamine, I think they're crap too. I never use any thermos (ephedrine, etc), as I find them far riskier than a gram of test in my arse (hypothetically speaking of course. :) ) Not to mention they, too, inhibit glycogen uptake. Seems there's alot of people shooting themselves in the foot with what they THINK makes them perform better.

I am VERY sensitive to carbs. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich will put me out for a 2+ hour nap almost instantly. This is why my diet is primarily 60% protein...I had to get cals somehow, and carbs made me lethargic. When I starting using the Ala, I was able to tollerate carbs. I didn't experience weight loss, but I wasn't exactly trying for that either. It's hard to say if it added pep, because I'm always ready to go when I hit the gym anyway. I did notice, and so did MANY others, that this product made me VERY thirsty. I was going through about 3 gallons of water a day and still getting chapped lips and dry skin. I remained in a mild state of ketosis (according to keto strips) while taking in a variety of high glycemic carbs. I also used it at this last comp. I hadn't had carbs for 48 hours...none. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to carb up fast enough. So I took R-ala and ate BIG. I had put on 11 pounds by the next day. Some was water, from adding the carbs back in, but I also felt strong. Generally it takes me about 3-4 days to recover from a carb depletion. I have tested this a few times to know.

This isn't over the counter, per se. You can only get R-ala at the AF store.

For more info, including personal expereinced as well as studies, do a search for "r-ala" and search for posts by "ulter." There is a wealth of info on the women's board, as well as the anabolic board.
 
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Irish,

Although I am a closet creatine junky, I would not jump on you, a fact of life for most (at least me) creatine will wreak havoc on your stomach. I have train wrecked my stomach and had monstrous bouts of diarrhea because of creatine, I would love to simply say it is a fact of life when on creatine but thats not true, its how you take it and how you dissolve it. Of course there are far better things in the world than creatine, and I agree most OTC stuff is crap, or the actual dose required is not financially feasible.

I just can't get the creatine monkey off my back.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to standing on my street corner with my "WILL WORK FOR CREATINE" sign.

Peace,
Mike
 
I found ways to work around the discomfort and bloat...taking certain kinds, with certain foods, in certain dosages, certain amount of water, etc. I never did find a way to get around it not working, though.
 
im fairly young and have already formed a disgust for over otc supps. the only things i would even shell out money for(which i rarely do)

1: hyper cell creatine, its a cell tech clone put out by schwartz labs, costs much less then cell tech, also the only creatine that doenst upset my stomach,i only use it for like 4-5 weeks before a meet

2: z-mass pm; its pretty much just a zma product, i use for a couple weeks before a meet, it helps me get better nights rest,and i feel like a recover a little faster.

3: ephedrine supps: helps me get wound up for a workout, some guys just drink coffee but i cant stand the crap

thats its, as big as i am and as much as i eat(college cafeteria:D) protein supps are a waste of money for me. for smaller guys who cant hang with me at the table theyre ok though
 
There's not a counter in this country you could approach and buy r-ala. It's not prescription now, but I just wonder how long it will be before it's regulated. If they do decide to regulate it, and you have to purchase it underhandedly, will that make it a good supplement? :)
 
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just a quick note..
there is a huge amount of research that supports the effects of r-ala.

as to whether it improves maximal lifts??

it does help with glycogen supercompensation.. should allow you to come in at a lower weight (reduced insulin= lower sub Q water stores) with greater muscle water stores (4g water per gram of glycogen) which should improve muscle "stability" as well as endurance.

as to creatine.. using smaller amount .5 to 1 with meals is a way to take it with less stomach discomfort.. though some people are "maxed" out creatine wise.. or just have poor uptake.. (perhaps high intestinal uptake= watery bowels.. unpleasant.. as to the exact why ??)
 
I'm not fond of the insulin/estrogen relationship, personally....but I suppose you don't really have to deal with that.
 
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