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r-ALA has sold out. Enter Glucorell R

how much caps do we have to take ? I know it was one with each meals with r-ALA, but what about glucorell ?
 
ulter said:
The same. One per meal unless you are gorging on carbs. Then use 2 per meal
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ulter,

Lets say I'm planning a big cheat meal (binge), where I'm probably going to eat a shitload of carbs....200-300+. Would 200mg r-ALA be the recommended dose for a meal like this, or should I take a good amount of r-ALA....perhaps 400-500mg?
 
The following is an extract from January's MD:
...the supplement Alpha Lipoic Acid decreased the rate at which muscle and liver tissue made new glycogen and decreased the efficiency of cellular energy systems. While this supplement may help sedentary obese individuals, it is not recommended for bodybuilders or power athletes who depend on muscle glycogen for intense muscular exercise. (J. Nutr., 132: 3001-3006, 2002)
rebuttal anyone? ulter? macro?
 
how come its listed on the yohimburn.com site that r-ala in the UK has only a limited stock left ? will u be bringing glucorell R to the UK as well ? i will be ordering in a months time since i still have a few bottles left.
 
Redbak said:
The following is an extract from January's MD:
...the supplement Alpha Lipoic Acid decreased the rate at which muscle and liver tissue made new glycogen and decreased the efficiency of cellular energy systems. While this supplement may help sedentary obese individuals, it is not recommended for bodybuilders or power athletes who depend on muscle glycogen for intense muscular exercise. (J. Nutr., 132: 3001-3006, 2002)
rebuttal anyone? ulter? macro?
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very disappointing. SHows how far MD has slid. The study in question used dosages that are not attainable with human consumption. 100 times as much or more.

btw1- this is not a "news flash", as some have indicated, it is well known that at ultra high concentrations that anti-oxidents act as pro-oxidents.

what is very sad is that the author of the statement above did not even understand the abstract, which from their interpretation makes this plainly clear.

btw2- not that the study is valid either.... the methodology and findings are still IMHO flawed. Which would, of course, makes the statements above.. well even less.. "credible".
 
"...the supplement Alpha Lipoic Acid"

Many of the studies using S-ALA or Racemic ALA are not applicable to R-ALA. R-ALA INCREASES the muscle's uptake of Glycogen and in doing so makes you stronger. We don't sell the "supplement Alpha Lipoic Acid". Most researchers have noted that there is a distinct difference in the two forms.

"We're finding - and others are, too - that the R(+)-form - the natural form - is much more powerful than the racemic mixture ... Hopefully ... companies are going to be producing on more of a clinical scale the R(+)-form of lipoic acid, because we're finding very significant effects using this, as opposed to the racemic mixture."
Dr. Tory Hagen, in Mitochondrial Decay in Aging.


"Lipoic acid sold in a health food store is a synthetic mixture, a racemic mixture. And R[+]- is the natural form and S[-]- is an unnatural one ... And in our hands R[+]- works and S[-]- doesn't."
Dr. Bruce Ames, in Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence.

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Currently the UK is still selling the r-ALA. Yes, when it runs out they will be getting Glucorell R.
 
if you got it would you mind giving it up?
What is everyones opinion on this stuff? Worth it or not?
 
ulter said:
You should really take the Glucorell R before a meal rather than after so it has your muscle cells all primed to take in the glucose your body is making with the food you're eating.
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I only half agree with this. I definitely believe you should take it before meals... but I also think you should redose if you are eating a particularly heavy carb meal.

I found that if I took r-ALA prior to eating a pizza... and then took another 100mg about 45 minutes later I was able to greatly extend the product's benefits.
 
SofaGeorge said:


I only half agree with this. I definitely believe you should take it before meals... but I also think you should redose if you are eating a particularly heavy carb meal.

I found that if I took r-ALA prior to eating a pizza... and then took another 100mg about 45 minutes later I was able to greatly extend the product's benefits.
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with large slow digesting carb meals this is a probably a good idea..
 
There is a little debate going on about the PW shake and Glucorell R. Some guys WANT the insulin spike caused by the PW and so they skip the Glucorell R before drinking it.
Personally, I would rather drink the PW shake BEFORE the workout (then it's not PW is it Ulter) with the Glucorell R and get the pumps from it filling your muscle cells with glucose.
 
ulter said:
There is a little debate going on about the PW shake and Glucorell R. Some guys WANT the insulin spike caused by the PW and so they skip the Glucorell R before drinking it.
Personally, I would rather drink the PW shake BEFORE the workout (then it's not PW is it Ulter) with the Glucorell R and get the pumps from it filling your muscle cells with glucose.
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ulter,

This is the first time I'm reading about this. Why would someone not want to use r-ALA/Glucorell R with their PW shake? Won't taking the r-ALA with your PW shake refill muscle gylcogen much better then not taking it? :confused:
 
there is considerable dispute as to whether it is the blood glucose or the insulin post workout that provides the effects with respect to cortisol suppression... the studies say the carbs.. but some have interpreted it as the insulin..

IMHO r-ala post workout out is as beneficial as any other time.. and more insulin really means more fat, more water and more sodium... some people want this... but...
 
lets say im having a carb-up day with around 600g of carbs ... will r-ala defeat the purpose of me having the carb-up ?
 
Can someone email me the coupon code.. i had it in email but can't find it now.. i had ordered the old r-ALA before (and YB, and NYC, etc).. i think i deserve some coupon codes!
 
I'd like to do a little test. If I have a lowish carb day, wake up the next day and take say 200mg R-ALA with some protein/fat (no carbs) within a couple of hours I should expect to enter a mild state of hypo-g right?

Thanks!
 
I'm reading any a few places that combining S-ALA with R-ALA is "synergistic" providing better results than either taken seperately. Any thoughts on this?
 
xonic2xonic said:
I'm reading any a few places that combining S-ALA with R-ALA is "synergistic" providing better results than either taken seperately. Any thoughts on this?
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not sure where those few places are... but.. its incorrect information.. very... s-ala works counter to r-ala dimishing its effects
 
Please explain the biochemistry of this!

Looks like all too many of us have been doing it incorrectly for years with this bombshell that it only takes glycogen uptake to make you stronger! BAHA!


R-ALA INCREASES the muscle's uptake of Glycogen and in doing so makes you stronger. We don't sell the "supplement Alpha Lipoic Acid". Most researchers have noted that there is a distinct difference in the two forms.
 
You are kidding!

Prove it!

Show us where the AA transport system is dependent upon full or fuller glycogen stores. Oh, but maybe you are talking about and comparing 'evidence' to creatine loading and 'wt' gained via taking creatine. Ooops! Even after all that time on creatine you lose it all when you stop taking it. Hmmm, sorry, I guess that's not a good example for ya.

I'm sure you'll be confused by that, so I'll put up the question again which is where is the proof that 'greater' glycogen stores cause an increase in growth and where is this evidence and what it the percentage of this magical store which causes growth and what percentage does ALA contribute over and above normal stores.

We'll enjoy your answer and hopefully it's not going to explain to everyone what a jackass you are as the former reply did! Oh yea, and also explain to us how glycogen is now a NUTRIENT and when science classified it as such!

For the record, here is that wonderfully explanatory statement which seems more to be a patronization of everybody who reads this! Too bad not everybody is a sheep falling for the advertising!

'If a muscle has more nutrient in it it will grow better. You need that explained?'
 
Oh geez I didn't realize, it's Animal. I am trying to use simple explanations and there's your sorry ass arguing semantics.
This isn't the first time you've been way behind the curve. I'll leave this for someone else to explain to you who won't use such simple terms. Since this has already been explained here a dozen times already I will assume you just happened to missed it.
 
Re: You are kidding!

idanimal said:
Prove it!

Show us where the AA transport system is dependent upon full or fuller glycogen stores. Oh, but maybe you are talking about and comparing 'evidence' to creatine loading and 'wt' gained via taking creatine. Ooops! Even after all that time on creatine you lose it all when you stop taking it. Hmmm, sorry, I guess that's not a good example for ya.

'
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actually a great example... thanks...

the wieght gained from creatine ITSELF is lost.. however the additionaly gains made while on are kept..


the concept it quite simple... greater glycogen.. greater water.. greater nutrient store and uptake..

AA uptake is likely not directly affected.. however recovery is...

as far as increased anabolism... greater glycogen...greater water.. larger cell volume.. greater stability.. greater load capacity...



HOWEVER... all that said the affect is small to moderate but still significant.. the main value of R+ lipoic is in mediation of insulin levels, affects and sensitivity.. which greatly affects fat storage and lipolysis..

..at least from a physique standpoint..

it is after all an extremely potent anti-oxident with many health benefits
 
I figured it would be too difficult

for him to discuss anything aside from the pitch. Hey, I just wanted to know what science I was missing because I obviously have my head up my ass for long periods of time and I forget to clean the plexiglass I had surgically implanted in my stomach which enables me to see out resulting in my missing of all TOO MANY of the latest and greatest scientific breakthroughs.

That being said, macro did a good public service, however, your explanation of the benefits of ALA is tremendously different in biochemistry than a monkey saying 'increased glycgoen storage means growth'. Nevertheless, I'll wait for any study showing carb loading make growth 'better' and fact is that 'supercompensation' of glycogen is a short lived event and the extra is released BACK OUT into the bloodstream where the most likely end it to be turned to fat.


'HOWEVER... all that said the affect is small to moderate but still significant.. the main value of R+ lipoic is in mediation of insulin levels, affects and sensitivity.. which greatly affects fat storage and lipolysis.. '

And again, that is WAY DIFFERENT than somebody pushing a prettier bottle stating a myth.
 
Re: I figured it would be too difficult

Hey, no fair who edited my post?

It was perfectly respectful.
 
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Thanks for the feeback everyone. It seems the only way to know for sure is to try this stuff myself. I just hate the thought that I might make someone richer who is making bogus product claims as is so common in the supplements industry.

I still would like to verify that I should expect to have a very low blood sugar if I were to ingest a large amount of ala/r-ala without having enough carbs in my system. To me this would "prove" something.
 
Not sure how relevant this is in relation to r-ala/strength discussion but insulin causes a great increase in strength and I would assume that is due in large part to increased glycogen and fluid retention.
 
Frackal said:
Not sure how relevant this is in relation to r-ala/strength discussion but insulin causes a great increase in strength and I would assume that is due in large part to increased glycogen and fluid retention.
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Never did anything to me in terms of strength unless I combined it with AAS. Gain "weight" with slin weather on or off though.

-sk
 
Just Bumpin It up for the good bros like Ulter in the Af store.

Dzieki za te Nyc co za friko mi wtedy wzuciles....dobze pracuja naprawde...=)
3m sie
 
Again......

Show a single study showing insulin causes incredible increase in strength. I'll be waiting because what makes nerves fire really has NOTHING to to with how much glycogen you got in a cell from insulin, but I'm just instigating.


www.animalkits.be

Dot be cause it's the place to .be!
 
insulin does not make you stronger, except by increasing total water, fat and glycogen mass= which creates a more stable environment= heavier load capacity

it does, in theory, increase igf1--- though whether thats good or bad is???
 
I'd like to see that!

A cell that is suddenly expanded is actually LESS STABLE and you can read Haycock for that explanation. But again, a larger cell has nothing to do with nerve firing or nerve excitation.
 
animal..

you are offbase. if you want it can be explained for you.. dont try to create an argument that does not exist.. no one said that insulin affected neuronal activity or firing.

it is also the increase in extracellular water..

and a larger may be less stable from a lysing standpoint however.. numerous larger cells are considerably more stable.. add to that fat (increased IM) and extra fluid...
 
macrophage69alpha said:
insulin does not make you stronger, except by increasing total water, fat and glycogen mass= which creates a more stable environment= heavier load capacity

it does, in theory, increase igf1--- though whether thats good or bad is???
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I have run fina/insulin together and the strength gains were more than fina alone. Perhaps it was in my head or due to something else other than the insulin.

So since it isn't good for strength gains, do you believe it can be used properly to increase LBM?

Thanks.

-sk
 
Am I reading this right ...

They added 20% to the number caps, but doubled the price?

Is this true?Please no reasons or excuses, just Yes/No.

I have always been impressed by the AF store, and recommended them to countless people.

I am sking this question because this "price change" seems very out of character, and maybe I am missing something.
 
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Riker29 said:
Am I reading this right ...

They added 20% to the number caps, but doubled the price?

Is this true?Please no reasons or excuses, just Yes/No.

I have always been impressed by the AF store, and recommended them to countless people.

I am sking this question because this "price change" seems very out of character, and maybe I am missing something.
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enter your discount code...

the price is on page is not the one YOU pay... its there for a reason
 
guys do u still take rala if lets say your gona eat fruits / vegtables like brocolli apples or oranges ?

is there a discount code if buying glcorell in bulk ? :p
 
ahhh my mate just ordered a 12-pack of r-ala and the yohimburn/NYC combo ... yummm :p he's bringin' it over to the UK in a few days hehehe

by the way can your body somehow adapt to the effects of r-ala ? i mean if you use it everyday, will the effectivity of r-ala lessen the longer you use it ?:confused:
 
do you have to take glucorell when eating protein bars with low net impact carbs but high in sugar alc ?
 
XzRzX said:
do you have to take glucorell when eating protein bars with low net impact carbs but high in sugar alc ?
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If your meal causes your blood sugar to rise. You take r-ala.

That simple.

Only ketogenic meals cause BG to fall. and they need to be 75% fat/25% protein/ 0 carbs.

Or a ketogenic ratio of 1.5:1

Fonz
 
could someone please mail me the code: [email protected]

Also, i used to take ALA in the morning w/ my mutli-vit. Does this totatly defeat the purpose of the supplement?

Should be taken only w/ meals?

I just want to aid in breaking down carbs, as well as use it as a liver protectant
 
neurological effect?

macrophage69alpha said earlier in the thread:

quote:


Originally posted by idanimal

ALC and ALA Work best together.



at least for neurological effects..

though would venture to guess that there might be some synergy relating to lipolysis.


.....

What neurological effects is he talking about?
 
r-ala and ALC have beneficial effects on neurons, particularly in older people.

improved memory, better concentration, etc

the combination has been used to reverse senile dementia in rats. there are quite a few studies if you want specifics.
 
damn the glucorell's up in UK already. its kinda expensive coz of the added shpping :( it was a lot cheaper when it was still r-ala :(
 
would there be cheaper shipping if shipped inside the UK ? is there a purchase coupon / shipping coupon for UK customers ? :) thanks a lot ! :mix:
 
by the way, how would you know if the r-ala has gone bad ? my mate had 6 bottles delivered via door to door delivery along with some stuff he had bought in the states and he doesnt know if the conditions (temperature and stuff) while the stuff was in transit were optimum for the r-ala.
 
No there isn't a discount code for the EU Glucorell R because it's already built into the price.
r-ALA will be ok as long as the temperatures were not excessively hot for an exptended period of time. This may degrade the product somewhat. It's very unlikely that the product would be exposed to such conditions during shipping.
 
This really sucks to hear cause I never have used ala yet... I guess that is what I get for procrastinating so much

Whiskey
 
OPTIMAL..

in warmer climates (during summer especially) it is probably a good idea to keep in fridge.

like most vitamins it does not fare well at high temps for extended periods... (ie do not leave in car on july day in sunlight.. even in colder climes)

if temp is consistantly above 85-90, while not essential, it is probably a good measure to keep in fridge.. as well as other temperature sensitive supps.. keeping in a cool place is a good idea (for instance putting on a counter that is in direct sunlight or near a stove is probably not a good idea)
 
Thanks for the reply.....the refrigerator it is. Have noticed a great pump during my arm workout today, may just be imagining it but it seems to be the Glucorell!!
 
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