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I'm reading any a few places that combining S-ALA with R-ALA is "synergistic" providing better results than either taken seperately. Any thoughts on this?
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macrophage69alpha
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xonic2xonic said:
not sure where those few places are... but.. its incorrect information.. very... s-ala works counter to r-ala dimishing its effects
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Please explain the biochemistry of this!
Looks like all too many of us have been doing it incorrectly for years with this bombshell that it only takes glycogen uptake to make you stronger! BAHA!
R-ALA INCREASES the muscle's uptake of Glycogen and in doing so makes you stronger. We don't sell the "supplement Alpha Lipoic Acid". Most researchers have noted that there is a distinct difference in the two forms.
Looks like all too many of us have been doing it incorrectly for years with this bombshell that it only takes glycogen uptake to make you stronger! BAHA!
R-ALA INCREASES the muscle's uptake of Glycogen and in doing so makes you stronger. We don't sell the "supplement Alpha Lipoic Acid". Most researchers have noted that there is a distinct difference in the two forms.
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You are kidding!
Prove it!
Show us where the AA transport system is dependent upon full or fuller glycogen stores. Oh, but maybe you are talking about and comparing 'evidence' to creatine loading and 'wt' gained via taking creatine. Ooops! Even after all that time on creatine you lose it all when you stop taking it. Hmmm, sorry, I guess that's not a good example for ya.
I'm sure you'll be confused by that, so I'll put up the question again which is where is the proof that 'greater' glycogen stores cause an increase in growth and where is this evidence and what it the percentage of this magical store which causes growth and what percentage does ALA contribute over and above normal stores.
We'll enjoy your answer and hopefully it's not going to explain to everyone what a jackass you are as the former reply did! Oh yea, and also explain to us how glycogen is now a NUTRIENT and when science classified it as such!
For the record, here is that wonderfully explanatory statement which seems more to be a patronization of everybody who reads this! Too bad not everybody is a sheep falling for the advertising!
'If a muscle has more nutrient in it it will grow better. You need that explained?'
Prove it!
Show us where the AA transport system is dependent upon full or fuller glycogen stores. Oh, but maybe you are talking about and comparing 'evidence' to creatine loading and 'wt' gained via taking creatine. Ooops! Even after all that time on creatine you lose it all when you stop taking it. Hmmm, sorry, I guess that's not a good example for ya.
I'm sure you'll be confused by that, so I'll put up the question again which is where is the proof that 'greater' glycogen stores cause an increase in growth and where is this evidence and what it the percentage of this magical store which causes growth and what percentage does ALA contribute over and above normal stores.
We'll enjoy your answer and hopefully it's not going to explain to everyone what a jackass you are as the former reply did! Oh yea, and also explain to us how glycogen is now a NUTRIENT and when science classified it as such!
For the record, here is that wonderfully explanatory statement which seems more to be a patronization of everybody who reads this! Too bad not everybody is a sheep falling for the advertising!
'If a muscle has more nutrient in it it will grow better. You need that explained?'
Oh geez I didn't realize, it's Animal. I am trying to use simple explanations and there's your sorry ass arguing semantics.
This isn't the first time you've been way behind the curve. I'll leave this for someone else to explain to you who won't use such simple terms. Since this has already been explained here a dozen times already I will assume you just happened to missed it.
This isn't the first time you've been way behind the curve. I'll leave this for someone else to explain to you who won't use such simple terms. Since this has already been explained here a dozen times already I will assume you just happened to missed it.
macrophage69alpha
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Re: You are kidding!
actually a great example... thanks...
the wieght gained from creatine ITSELF is lost.. however the additionaly gains made while on are kept..
the concept it quite simple... greater glycogen.. greater water.. greater nutrient store and uptake..
AA uptake is likely not directly affected.. however recovery is...
as far as increased anabolism... greater glycogen...greater water.. larger cell volume.. greater stability.. greater load capacity...
HOWEVER... all that said the affect is small to moderate but still significant.. the main value of R+ lipoic is in mediation of insulin levels, affects and sensitivity.. which greatly affects fat storage and lipolysis..
..at least from a physique standpoint..
it is after all an extremely potent anti-oxident with many health benefits
idanimal said:
actually a great example... thanks...
the wieght gained from creatine ITSELF is lost.. however the additionaly gains made while on are kept..
the concept it quite simple... greater glycogen.. greater water.. greater nutrient store and uptake..
AA uptake is likely not directly affected.. however recovery is...
as far as increased anabolism... greater glycogen...greater water.. larger cell volume.. greater stability.. greater load capacity...
HOWEVER... all that said the affect is small to moderate but still significant.. the main value of R+ lipoic is in mediation of insulin levels, affects and sensitivity.. which greatly affects fat storage and lipolysis..
..at least from a physique standpoint..
it is after all an extremely potent anti-oxident with many health benefits
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I figured it would be too difficult
for him to discuss anything aside from the pitch. Hey, I just wanted to know what science I was missing because I obviously have my head up my ass for long periods of time and I forget to clean the plexiglass I had surgically implanted in my stomach which enables me to see out resulting in my missing of all TOO MANY of the latest and greatest scientific breakthroughs.
That being said, macro did a good public service, however, your explanation of the benefits of ALA is tremendously different in biochemistry than a monkey saying 'increased glycgoen storage means growth'. Nevertheless, I'll wait for any study showing carb loading make growth 'better' and fact is that 'supercompensation' of glycogen is a short lived event and the extra is released BACK OUT into the bloodstream where the most likely end it to be turned to fat.
'HOWEVER... all that said the affect is small to moderate but still significant.. the main value of R+ lipoic is in mediation of insulin levels, affects and sensitivity.. which greatly affects fat storage and lipolysis.. '
And again, that is WAY DIFFERENT than somebody pushing a prettier bottle stating a myth.
for him to discuss anything aside from the pitch. Hey, I just wanted to know what science I was missing because I obviously have my head up my ass for long periods of time and I forget to clean the plexiglass I had surgically implanted in my stomach which enables me to see out resulting in my missing of all TOO MANY of the latest and greatest scientific breakthroughs.
That being said, macro did a good public service, however, your explanation of the benefits of ALA is tremendously different in biochemistry than a monkey saying 'increased glycgoen storage means growth'. Nevertheless, I'll wait for any study showing carb loading make growth 'better' and fact is that 'supercompensation' of glycogen is a short lived event and the extra is released BACK OUT into the bloodstream where the most likely end it to be turned to fat.
'HOWEVER... all that said the affect is small to moderate but still significant.. the main value of R+ lipoic is in mediation of insulin levels, affects and sensitivity.. which greatly affects fat storage and lipolysis.. '
And again, that is WAY DIFFERENT than somebody pushing a prettier bottle stating a myth.
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