QV or Britsh Dragon ?

[sh4dowf4lcon]

buh-bye BananaButt!

I want to add one thing also. BD has always seemed legitimately concerned with Quality Control in the past, and they are still producing products with all real ingredients. Even their Masteron clone had drostanolone in it, the first product we were able to conclusively identify with that rare ingredient. Nosedive was alittle strong, this is a moderate dosing issue. It is my hope they will address this issue, which was likely caused by a contract manufacturer, not a willful cheapening of the product. I will continue to test them.

WLL, thanks for clarifying "nosedive". Still dosing issues are important. I hope you have sent the details of your testing to the proper channels of BDrag so they can be addressed. I know they are quite concerned with maintaining a loyal customer base. I am certain they want to know about these things. I too, will continue to test.

 

[hammertime30]

I would go with QV , BD is underdosed according to Dateline NBC .

What...you are going according to NBC?....I have read 2 books that have shown lab reports on the various manufacturers and each time BD has come back a little over the top never under...

 

[hammertime30]

I want to add one thing also. BD has always seemed legitimately concerned with Quality Control in the past, and they are still producing products with all real ingredients. Even their Masteron clone had drostanolone in it, the first product we were able to conclusively identify with that rare ingredient. Nosedive was alittle strong, this is a moderate dosing issue. It is my hope they will address this issue, which was likely caused by a contract manufacturer, not a willful cheapening of the product. I will continue to test them.

If you guys are interested in this, I urge you to subscribe to my new magazine Body of Science. It is $20 a year for a nice quarterly magazine (color, high quality, not a "newsletter"), and a significant portion of the money we take in goes to testing. Our first issue has only 3 tests, and the second will have over a dozen steroid results. The change to a paid subscriber base has allowed that. So to all you guys who will photocopy and post the results on the net instead of helping out, it will only hurt our a ability to test things further.

You can subscribe by calling (888) 828-8008.

Thanks!

Bill

Everyone's always trying to sell shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

buh-bye BananaButt!

WLL, thanks for clarifying "nosedive". Still dosing issues are important. I hope you have sent the details of your testing to the proper channels of BDrag so they can be addressed. I know they are quite concerned with maintaining a loyal customer base. I am certain they want to know about these things. I too, will continue to test.

Yes, I am in touch with BD, and they do appear very concerned with this. We will continue to test their line, and hopefully will have a few more results before the next issue of Body of Science goes to print. I have always felt they were a good firm in the past, and their interest in addressing this seems just reaffirm this. They could have easily told me to go screw and ignore the issue.

You also need to remember that often these companies do not manufacture their stuff in house; they use contract manufacturers. Firms need to stay on top of lab testing 100% of the time with CM's. I see it with not only steroids but supplements (you'd be shocked at the tests I am privy to here). Often the CM's get sloppy, or take liberties with their clients' products if they feel they are not being closely monitored.

Hopefully this little bump will serve to help them correct the issue and stay on top of their lots in the future, and will not be a call for consumers to abandon BD. I will keep you guys posted, but for obvious reasons you'll read about the actual results first in Body of Science (hey, we need the money for more testing!!).

For the record, if I recall correctly (I am in the office, lab sheets at home) most of the results were about 25% off. Only one was very low.

No subcribers from Elite yet today. I'm hurt guys!

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Everyone's always trying to sell shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you are not suggesting that my magazine is shit. Who do you think is paying for all these tests? I am not goddamn Rockefeller of the steroid-testing world.

 

[hammertime30]

I hope you are not suggesting that my magazine is shit. Who do you think is paying for all these tests? I am not goddamn Rockefeller of the steroid-testing world.

I know nothing of your magazine nor do i care, however I've yet to read a magazine that actually has information worth reading from bodybuilding to teenage fantasy most of the time it's simple ads selling a bunch of bogus bull that ain't worth a dime! Yes, I do understand about the need of financing any research, however it burns me when someone says hey I found out that bla bla bla and all you have to do is buy my book to find out the rest and then you find out that the book is all crap!

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

I know nothing of your magazine nor do i care, however I've yet to read a magazine that actually has information worth reading from bodybuilding to teenage fantasy most of the time it's simple ads selling a bunch of bogus bull that ain't worth a dime! Yes, I do understand about the need of financing any research, however it burns me when someone says hey I found out that bla bla bla and all you have to do is buy my book to find out the rest and then you find out that the book is all crap!

I think you should read it before making such an accusation. I am quite certain it is going to be very different from what you are expecting.

You can get a free issue just for calling. Just keep in mind the first magazine was free, and is a little lighter on testing and content then I would have liked. The second will be much better, thanks to the subscriptions and added resources it allows me.

I will be spending tens of thousands on testing this year. If $20 isn't worth having a part in that, well maybe you should stick to the boards and keep guessing as to what is in your products.

 

[hammertime30]

I think you should read it before making such an accusation. I am quite certain it is going to be very different from what you are expecting.

You can get a free issue just for calling. Just keep in mind the first magazine was free, and is a little lighter on testing and content then I would have liked. The second will be much better, thanks to the subscriptions and added resources it allows me.

I will be spending tens of thousands on testing this year. If $20 isn't worth having a part in that, well maybe you should stick to the boards and keep guessing as to what is in your products.

You're right maybe I should never come to a conclusion about something before actually checking it out first. Kinda like what most people think about AAS and don't have a clue as to the real deal....If your magazine is strictly based on lab test results and the true ins about what's on the market today then I can see that as being useful to us fellow users however all too many times you think that you are getting something with useful information only find a 39 page manual with about 2 pages dedicated to what they sayed it was about and rest crap!

 

[Breeze]

I want to add one thing also. BD has always seemed legitimately concerned with Quality Control in the past, and they are still producing products with all real ingredients. Even their Masteron clone had drostanolone in it, the first product we were able to conclusively identify with that rare ingredient. Nosedive was alittle strong, this is a moderate dosing issue. It is my hope they will address this issue, which was likely caused by a contract manufacturer, not a willful cheapening of the product. I will continue to test them.

If you guys are interested in this, I urge you to subscribe to my new magazine Body of Science. It is $20 a year for a nice quarterly magazine (color, high quality, not a "newsletter"), and a significant portion of the money we take in goes to testing. Our first issue has only 3 tests, and the second will have over a dozen steroid results. The change to a paid subscriber base has allowed that. So to all you guys who will photocopy and post the results on the net instead of helping out, it will only hurt our a ability to test things further.

You can subscribe by calling (888) 828-8008.

Thanks!

Bill

How about the BD Turanabol? Doing any tests on it?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

How about the BD Turanabol? Doing any tests on it?

Yes, it is definitely on the list of things I plan on testing. Whenever a company comes out with a rare and expensive compound like this, it draws immediate interest in such.