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QV or Britsh Dragon ?
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hammertime30
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Currently using BD test cyp and EQ and jump started with russian dbol and liquidex eod for the first 21 days...currently it's day 24 and I'm up 12lbs with good strength increase and very very little bloat...body looks solid and those at the gym are noticing....good shit! I've heard that QV is good also, but I'm sticking with British Dragon!
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PuffTheBritishDragon
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I would go with QV , BD is underdosed according to Dateline NBC .
Breeze
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PuffTheBritishDragon said:
I do not believe that British Dragon is underdosed- I have had great results with BD and so has everyone I know that has used it. There's no telling where dateline obtained their test product, who knows whether or not it was real BD?- piss on Dateline and listen to people who have actually used it. If a company starts putting out crappy gear then word will travel fast, I have not seen or heard anything that makes me believe the Dateline story.
Retabolil2
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Do you think they will advertise them on TV?! Come on! The bought few vials of test from ukraine and BD doesn`t even sell testosterone products in eastern europe so most likely they got fake stuff for lab tests and even then I seriously doubt they will say BD is good and QV is slightly underdosed! They will always say underground products is a potential risk to your health, they are dirty and not steril!PuffTheBritishDragon said:
Retabolil2
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Could you please post a picture of fake BD stuff? I`m not saying fakes aren`t exist but I disagree with your statement that BD is commonly faked! Moreover I believe mexican stuff is faked alot!dali said:
Breeze said:
We are running the resultss from a battery of tests on BD in the next issue of Body of Science. I think a lot of people are going to be upset with the results!
Retabolil2
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In anabolics 2004 you only had their Boldabol tested at 208mg/1mlwllewellyn said:
not that bad at all! Also there were too many good lab test results before and now I hear bad things from paperbolex and others who probably have their vested interest in this.
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Retabolil2 said:
Their QC has taken a nosedive since. Wait till you see.. Not HORRIBLE on all counts, but not great either.
Retabolil2
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if they were 40% underdosed I think people would have complained a long time ago just like it was one year ago with ICN Galenikas lot #0020.wllewellyn said:
BD is getting more and more popular and there were a numerous amount of companies attempting to use their name to sell products.
sh4dowf4lcon
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dali said:
BD is not near as common to be faked as MExi GEar, but thanks.
Cheaper does not = better; it may = better for your wallet. It is common knowledge that BritDrag runs a high quality lab. High Quality Labs cost lots of money. Their reputation and their customers's loyalty is very important to them. They are a top notch organization and worth a few extra bucks to get Brit Drag Var vs QV IMO. For test QV may be aight, but BDRag is considered superior to QV when it comes to tabs and powders.
As far as fakes, lol, BDrag is one lab where you should know who you are dealing with and they would not sale bogus. If some punk at your gym has an aspirin bottle full of something he claims is BD, dont buy. The other suppliers of BD are well known and wont deal bogus.
PuffTheBritishDragon said:
Wow. Excellent first post. Puff the BD huh? PB is that you? Anyone who believes what the media reports on AAS is obviously new to the game.
Mods, can we get a PB check?
As you were.
Retabolil2
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Must be him!Sh4dowF4lcon said:
He just posted some shit at anabolex! 
I want to add one thing also. BD has always seemed legitimately concerned with Quality Control in the past, and they are still producing products with all real ingredients. Even their Masteron clone had drostanolone in it, the first product we were able to conclusively identify with that rare ingredient. Nosedive was alittle strong, this is a moderate dosing issue. It is my hope they will address this issue, which was likely caused by a contract manufacturer, not a willful cheapening of the product. I will continue to test them.
If you guys are interested in this, I urge you to subscribe to my new magazine Body of Science. It is $20 a year for a nice quarterly magazine (color, high quality, not a "newsletter"), and a significant portion of the money we take in goes to testing. Our first issue has only 3 tests, and the second will have over a dozen steroid results. The change to a paid subscriber base has allowed that. So to all you guys who will photocopy and post the results on the net instead of helping out, it will only hurt our a ability to test things further.
You can subscribe by calling (888) 828-8008.
Thanks!
Bill
If you guys are interested in this, I urge you to subscribe to my new magazine Body of Science. It is $20 a year for a nice quarterly magazine (color, high quality, not a "newsletter"), and a significant portion of the money we take in goes to testing. Our first issue has only 3 tests, and the second will have over a dozen steroid results. The change to a paid subscriber base has allowed that. So to all you guys who will photocopy and post the results on the net instead of helping out, it will only hurt our a ability to test things further.
You can subscribe by calling (888) 828-8008.
Thanks!
Bill
Retabolil2
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bananabanned!digger said:
LOLsh4dowf4lcon
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buh-bye BananaButt! 
wllewellyn said:
WLL, thanks for clarifying "nosedive". Still dosing issues are important. I hope you have sent the details of your testing to the proper channels of BDrag so they can be addressed. I know they are quite concerned with maintaining a loyal customer base. I am certain they want to know about these things. I too, will continue to test.
hammertime30
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PuffTheBritishDragon said:
What...you are going according to NBC?....I have read 2 books that have shown lab reports on the various manufacturers and each time BD has come back a little over the top never under...
hammertime30
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wllewellyn said:
Everyone's always trying to sell shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sh4dowF4lcon said:
WLL, thanks for clarifying "nosedive". Still dosing issues are important. I hope you have sent the details of your testing to the proper channels of BDrag so they can be addressed. I know they are quite concerned with maintaining a loyal customer base. I am certain they want to know about these things. I too, will continue to test.
Yes, I am in touch with BD, and they do appear very concerned with this. We will continue to test their line, and hopefully will have a few more results before the next issue of Body of Science goes to print. I have always felt they were a good firm in the past, and their interest in addressing this seems just reaffirm this. They could have easily told me to go screw and ignore the issue.
You also need to remember that often these companies do not manufacture their stuff in house; they use contract manufacturers. Firms need to stay on top of lab testing 100% of the time with CM's. I see it with not only steroids but supplements (you'd be shocked at the tests I am privy to here). Often the CM's get sloppy, or take liberties with their clients' products if they feel they are not being closely monitored.
Hopefully this little bump will serve to help them correct the issue and stay on top of their lots in the future, and will not be a call for consumers to abandon BD. I will keep you guys posted, but for obvious reasons you'll read about the actual results first in Body of Science (hey, we need the money for more testing!!).
For the record, if I recall correctly (I am in the office, lab sheets at home) most of the results were about 25% off. Only one was very low.
No subcribers from Elite yet today. I'm hurt guys!
hammertime30 said:
I hope you are not suggesting that my magazine is shit. Who do you think is paying for all these tests? I am not goddamn Rockefeller of the steroid-testing world.
hammertime30
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wllewellyn said:
I know nothing of your magazine nor do i care, however I've yet to read a magazine that actually has information worth reading from bodybuilding to teenage fantasy most of the time it's simple ads selling a bunch of bogus bull that ain't worth a dime! Yes, I do understand about the need of financing any research, however it burns me when someone says hey I found out that bla bla bla and all you have to do is buy my book to find out the rest and then you find out that the book is all crap!
hammertime30 said:I know nothing of your magazine nor do i care, however I've yet to read a magazine that actually has information worth reading from bodybuilding to teenage fantasy most of the time it's simple ads selling a bunch of bogus bull that ain't worth a dime! Yes, I do understand about the need of financing any research, however it burns me when someone says hey I found out that bla bla bla and all you have to do is buy my book to find out the rest and then you find out that the book is all crap!
I think you should read it before making such an accusation. I am quite certain it is going to be very different from what you are expecting.
You can get a free issue just for calling. Just keep in mind the first magazine was free, and is a little lighter on testing and content then I would have liked. The second will be much better, thanks to the subscriptions and added resources it allows me.
I will be spending tens of thousands on testing this year. If $20 isn't worth having a part in that, well maybe you should stick to the boards and keep guessing as to what is in your products.
hammertime30
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wllewellyn said:
You're right maybe I should never come to a conclusion about something before actually checking it out first. Kinda like what most people think about AAS and don't have a clue as to the real deal....If your magazine is strictly based on lab test results and the true ins about what's on the market today then I can see that as being useful to us fellow users however all too many times you think that you are getting something with useful information only find a 39 page manual with about 2 pages dedicated to what they sayed it was about and rest crap!
Breeze said:
Yes, it is definitely on the list of things I plan on testing. Whenever a company comes out with a rare and expensive compound like this, it draws immediate interest in such.
I'd be interested in knowing what other products/brands are being tested.
Retabolil2
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His book isn`t a crap however lab tests made by SRCS concern me a bit... I`ve seen BD Decabol tested at 324mg/1ml and Trenabol at 115mg/1ml.hammertime30 said:I know nothing of your magazine nor do i care, however I've yet to read a magazine that actually has information worth reading from bodybuilding to teenage fantasy most of the time it's simple ads selling a bunch of bogus bull that ain't worth a dime! Yes, I do understand about the need of financing any research, however it burns me when someone says hey I found out that bla bla bla and all you have to do is buy my book to find out the rest and then you find out that the book is all crap!
I seriously doubt those results. No manufacturer will overdose the products so much. And this is a first time I hear about bad results. And they are coming from the same lab, correct? People wouldn`t be upset with any tests when it comes to BD. Everyone who tried their gear was pleased with the results. And you will not find any bad comments on the boards.
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tboy72 said:
No. Spotting a fake QV is ridiculously easy, and its actually pretty rare from what i've seen. The real thing are always dosed correctly, and are cheap to obtain.
I'll tell you whats a joke - the test results that are coming out for BD products. I'm aware that people here have gotten good results....but unless you test you can't say that it met label claims.
the same goes for QV as far as testing. that datline thing was the only time i have ever heard of BD not comming back slightly overdosed! as far as product. if you want to miss workouts because of sever pain at injection sites, and pray you dont get test flu or fevers then by all means go with the cheaper QV! but common, to have that much pain or get sick from giving yourself test the quality control has to be crappy. with BD there is NO pain at all.....ever! no fever or flu. but to each his own. if you wanna save yourself 50 bucks go ahead. but it will cost you!poantrex said:
hammertime30
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Retabolil2 said:
I totally agree...as I mentioned earlier that I'm currently doing BD EQ and test cyp and dammit it's kicking ass...I don't know about QV, but I'll stick with BD!!!!
sh4dowf4lcon
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poantrex said:
tboy72 said:
You are right.. I can never be trusted to tell the truth, because I write books and magazines.. Damn greed gets in the way all the time.. You are much better off trusting the lab tests supplied by the manufacturers themselves.
Retabolil2
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I`d believe tests coming from users, not from a manufacturer, distributor or magazine publishers. Sorry, hope you take no offense. I don`t trust megadoze tests such as 324mg/1ml for Dercabol or tests which show 30mg/1ml of propionate instead of 100mg. Also I don`t trust NBC TV shows, do not expect them to say that UG gear is high quality and match all pharmaceutical standards. Hey don`t expect any BD or QV advertisement in TV shows! They will say all kind of crap about them being dirty and underdosed!wllewellyn said:
Retabolil2 said:
The problem with trusting anonymous "users" on the internet is you rarely know for sure who they are.. And few people are going to spend the money to test steroids and publish them, certainly not at the rate that I am.. Often these tests are coming from somone working for the company, or selling their stuff and being reimbursed by the company.
If you can't trust an independent and reputable third party source like me, with no interest in how the results turn out, well then, who can you trust? I suggest you pay for all the testing yourself, and ignore all other results then.
VeteranNewbie88
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wllewellyn said:
In that case....I'm extremely curious about their Trenabol (Parabolan)....
VeteranNewbie88 said:
I don't mind releasing this, as I believe it has been discussed on the net before by Ronny Tober (an excellent contributor of mine). The last test the two of us ran on that came back at 87mg/ml. This is Trenabol, not trenabol Depot. So it is labeled at 75mg/ml, and came back at 87mg/ml. This was overdosed, not under. The Lot on this was #03-2003. A good result I would say..
I don't want to give that impression that BD is a bad firm, or trying to rip off their customers. I've talked them up well in the past, and like the products they are coming out with. I think that the CM may have taken a couple of liberties with the ingredients/dosing on a few of their newer batches. The Mastabol was very off, and the main reason I made such an issue out of this, but it did have drostanolone PROPIONATE (why they label it di-propionate is beyond me, as there is no such animal). 20-25% off on another couple of products is not terrible, and not "theft" in my opinion. We'll just call it a a bump in QC.
I think it should be clear that I have no axe to grind with any company, BD included. I am entirely independent, and could care less what someone puts in a product. It is not like I have stock in them.
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wllewellyn said:
Thanks for all the info. Mr. Llewellyn....the Tren acetate seems to pass with flying colors, which is great news....however, I def. should have been more specific, I'm curious as to how their Tren Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate measures up....correct me if I'm wrong...I've been off the boards for the last couple yrs, but this compound was THE most sought after item back then....for old Negma Parabolan is legendary....I'm very curious if this even compares....keep up the good work, I admire your devotion to the cause....
VeteranNewbie88 said:
Thanks for the support! No tests on that yet, but will be down the pipline I'm sure. The test fees on BD are starting to add up, and there are MANY other companies I want to test. So no guarantees it will be soon. But will get done at some point, I'm sure.
Don't give credence to the belief that Para is anything special. Esters are just esters. They only delay the release of the parent drug. It is good if you want to take a shot once per week, but otherwise, you'd never notice the difference between Tren HHBC and tren acetate.
sorebuttcheeks
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i've had a word with the owner Bill , he's very concerned about not only the quality control of the finished products . but also the quality of the powder that they are buying . apparently they did a special deal with a factory in china to purchase a massive amount of powder at a very cheap price . it even mentions this deal on RC's website.
Retabolil2
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Your reputation is not a question to me. But can we consider you an independent source with no interest in how the results turn out... Who knows....wllewellyn said:
I only see the discussion of BD products, I don`t see any of your comments regarding QV or any other UG lab. You don`t pay attention to any other products? Why?
Also I`m going to send mastabol for testing. I hope the results will be good. if not then I`m not going to support BD reputation and lie to people. I`ll simply return them all the underdosed stuff. Because if its 50% underdosed then I`m out of a shitload of money. And I believe many users from this board would believe those test results. I have no intention to scam people.
sorebuttcheeks said:
Hey, good to see you again SBC. We need to keep in touch more! I'm going to see if I can track down your private email now.. If you don't hear from me, please drop me a line at bill@REMOVEXXXSPAM bodyofscience.com. I've got a lot I want to catch up with you about..
BD seemed very concerned when I spoke with them too. I have always considered them a great lab, and prob am guilty of holding them to a higher standard than others. I didn't get upset when Brovel or Tornel tested out 30% under, but was quite taken back when BD had issues during the last round of testing. I would like nothing more than to see a company like this succeed.. They are too focused on the needs of bodybuilders not to want to root for them..
I think knowing they are going to be tested so vigirously, and how important it is to their reputation, they will be paying closer attention from now on. At least that is the feeling I got from them. I'm doing a few more tests on BD to follow up, and at that point will be moving on. There are tons of other things on the table for testing...
