Quick Shutdown Question w/ high mg.

[idcbp]

Hey bros, I had a quick thought regarding suppression on high volume or extended cycles. Basically, am I correct in thinking that shutdown is shutdown in a sense. What I mean is that if I am cycling lets say 500mg or whatever it takes to suppress my axis completely, at that point it doesn't matter what I do mg-wise from the standpointg of my natural test production, right? If I up my dosage to 2000mg or leave it the same, if my axis is shutdown, its shutdown. Am I off on this? Additionally, how great an effect on jump starting the test. would higher mg have? At first glance I might think it would really matter alot, but if nat. test is turned off due to suppression of estrogen, or something related to estro thats regulated by test, (I thought this was the case but even if its just from test sup.) then if its supprssed, it is suppressed and when this is remedied recovery should begin, regardless of the mg taken, so long as the mg are great enough to cause the complete suppression. Help me out bros, I'm far from an expert on pct and recovery but I realize I need to be.

 

[Indy]

Hey bros, I had a quick thought regarding suppression on high volume or extended cycles. Basically, am I correct in thinking that shutdown is shutdown in a sense. What I mean is that if I am cycling lets say 500mg or whatever it takes to suppress my axis completely, at that point it doesn't matter what I do mg-wise from the standpointg of my natural test production, right? If I up my dosage to 2000mg or leave it the same, if my axis is shutdown, its shutdown. Am I off on this? Additionally, how great an effect on jump starting the test. would higher mg have? At first glance I might think it would really matter alot, but if nat. test is turned off due to suppression of estrogen, or something related to estro thats regulated by test, (I thought this was the case but even if its just from test sup.) then if its supprssed, it is suppressed and when this is remedied recovery should begin, regardless of the mg taken, so long as the mg are great enough to cause the complete suppression. Help me out bros, I'm far from an expert on pct and recovery but I realize I need to be.

Shutdown is shutdown, adding more test will not help. The whole point of adding the extrogenous test is what shuts you down. I dont feel front loading helps much, but some do. Now if using long esters I may use some faster acting prop up front or what have you to start gains in beginning of cycle. PCT's point is to stimulate the production of endogenous test to get the nad's going again so they can produce naturally again in shortest amount of time possible to keep gains, mood, etc..

 

[nydj66]

Basically high levels of testosterone, estrogen, and/or progesterone will all lower testosterone production. The negative feedback loop is how your body controls the level of sex hormones in the first place.

Anything over about 200mg/week of exogenous test is enough to shut down endogenous testosterone production completely. After several weeks in this state, the testiscles will start to atrophy (shrink) and further prolong recovery after the cycle is over. Some gear, like Deca is though to damage lydig cells that produce testosterone and make recovery even harder.