Question about long term gains post cycle

[Daran]

This is a question for all you users out there.
After you guys finish a cycle, is it more difficult for you to build mass afterwards just training naturally? Or is it just the same as before you juiced after your PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - is finished?
Just wondering, not planning on roiding up or anything.

EDIT:
I don't think I composed my question well enough, so let me elaborate.

Let's say a guy is working out for 5 years and now he's 23. He's been gaining good through the years but he gets impatient and decides to drink the kool-aid. When he finishes his cycle of whatever, will he gain at the same rate he did before he juiced or will it be slower?

 

[GUARDIAN]

more difficult once you start juicing period

 

[Inhibitor13]

more difficult once you start juicing period

+ 1 I dont crash as hard as others seem to though, I keep most of what I gained.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I believe natural gains are harder which is the reason you should be at your absolute peak before using steroids. Sure, you can keep gains with proper PC T, training, diet and supps, but that's the best you can hope for -- IF, your cycles weren't too long or too heavy.

MAYBE with heavy supplementation and a serious training regiment you might be able to make some more gains naturally but it will be harder than if you never dipped into the medicine.

This is also why guys who juice too young tend to fall by the wayside. They must keep juicing and eventually they tire of it or wind up on HRT at age 27 and have to fight to maintain what they have when they could have kept growing.

 

[halfcenturian]

It is for me. I lose strength and definition. Not a lot, but definately noticable.

 

[eddymerckx]

the more mass you add the harder it is to maintain--b/c gear adds more in a shorter anount of time you have to keep adjusting your diet to compensate for the size/composition change

 

[Daran]

I don't think I composed my question well enough, so let me elaborate.

Let's say a guy is working out for 5 years and now he's 23. He's been gaining good through the years but he gets impatient and decides to drink the kool-aid. When he finishes his cycle of whatever, will he gain at the same rate he did before he juiced or will it be slower?

 

[GUARDIAN]

I don't think I composed my question well enough, so let me elaborate.

Let's say a guy is working out for 5 years and now he's 23. He's been gaining good through the years but he gets impatient and decides to drink the kool-aid. When he finishes his cycle of whatever, will he gain at the same rate he did before he juiced or will it be slower?

slower

 

[chazk]

I read a old article about 10 yrs ago online
it was to the effect of " keeping all your steroid gains "
the whole concept was doing small cycles over a period of years.
after you are peaked out naturally do
say 2 small cycles a year gaining 5lbs a year for 5 years
a soild 25lbs of steroid induced muscle and keeping it.
the whole concept was that if you gain slowly over time your body and endocrine system has a chance to adjust to the muscle gains and keep them


it was simple stuff
like 8 weeks of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 200mg a week with 30mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone -
Primobolan - methenolone - 8 weeks 400mg a week with 20mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone -

but the key was the time factor gaining slowly then continue working out
never said that you would get anybigger after you stop juicing.

what most people notice after steroid use stops and they keep lifting is changes that take longer ALOT longer some not even measurable on a tape measure but more like seperation,tone,cuts ,definition and so on and muscle gain of maybe a 1-2 a year.
1-2 lbs seems small when you say it but if its 2lbs a year of soild muscle even after 5 more years thats 10lbs of muscle

 

[Nelson Montana]

I read a old article about 10 yrs ago online
it was to the effect of " keeping all your steroid gains "
the whole concept was doing small cycles over a period of years.
after you are peaked out naturally do
say 2 small cycles a year gaining 5lbs a year for 5 years
a soild 25lbs of steroid induced muscle and keeping it.
the whole concept was that if you gain slowly over time your body and endocrine system has a chance to adjust to the muscle gains and keep them


it was simple stuff
like 8 weeks of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 200mg a week with 30mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone -
Primobolan - methenolone - 8 weeks 400mg a week with 20mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone -

but the key was the time factor gaining slowly then continue working out
never said that you would get anybigger after you stop juicing.

what most people notice after steroid use stops and they keep lifting is changes that take longer ALOT longer some not even measurable on a tape measure but more like seperation,tone,cuts ,definition and so on and muscle gain of maybe a 1-2 a year.
1-2 lbs seems small when you say it but if its 2lbs a year of soild muscle even after 5 more years thats 10lbs of muscle

I believe I wrote that article.

Yes, this has been my premise for years. Max out naturally, then slow, episodic boosts from short duration cycles . That is the best way to grow beyond your natural limitations and keep the gains.

 

[jumpmaster82]

I read a old article about 10 yrs ago online
it was to the effect of " keeping all your steroid gains "
the whole concept was doing small cycles over a period of years.
after you are peaked out naturally do
say 2 small cycles a year gaining 5lbs a year for 5 years
a soild 25lbs of steroid induced muscle and keeping it.
the whole concept was that if you gain slowly over time your body and endocrine system has a chance to adjust to the muscle gains and keep them


it was simple stuff
like 8 weeks of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 200mg a week with 30mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone -
Primobolan - methenolone - 8 weeks 400mg a week with 20mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone -

but the key was the time factor gaining slowly then continue working out
never said that you would get anybigger after you stop juicing.

what most people notice after steroid use stops and they keep lifting is changes that take longer ALOT longer some not even measurable on a tape measure but more like seperation,tone,cuts ,definition and so on and muscle gain of maybe a 1-2 a year.
1-2 lbs seems small when you say it but if its 2lbs a year of soild muscle even after 5 more years thats 10lbs of muscle

good shit

 

[funkyfresh]

it was simple stuff
like 8 weeks of Deca - 200mg a week with 30mg of Dbol
Primobolan - 8 weeks 400mg a week with 20mg of Dbol


Nelson wrote: I believe I wrote that article

I think 5lbs of solid muscle a year is a great achievement.

But I thought you hated deca nelson?

 

[tricky124]

Your best gains are always the first 15 months of trainning, any gains after that are hard work and dedication!!
Once you have peeked and feel you can gain nothing more through hard training, this is the time to investigate and study steroids.
Even if you decide to use these drugs, I feel moderation is the key with good HCG and PCT to keep your hard earned efforts…