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jumpmaster82
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ive always heard that hairloss comes from your moms side. Is that true? Or does it really come from your dads side, or both sides?
question about hairloss
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needtogetaas
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It could come from ether.
Atticus_Finch
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so
PWTurbofan
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Jumpmaster82 said:
also have heard that it comes from momma's side. however, i think that gear is stronger than genetics for some people. in my case, my hair was so thick prior to any sort of anabolic supplementation that the barber would thin it out. the barber doesn't even ask if I want it thinned out now!
it's got me a little worried about further hairloss with my upcoming dbawl experiment.
Mavafanculo
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cal_21 said:
yup. whatever your normal loss rate would have been is where you'll be at
Mavafanculo
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Jumpmaster82 said:
thats a myth. cueballedness is a dominant trait that can come from either mom or dad.
Mavafanculo
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samsaige said:
where you get that from? red for you (j/k)
what you probably heard was that if you take minoxidil or finasteride to prevent or reverse hereditery male pattern baldness you have to take it for the rest of your life or you'll revert to your genetic destiny.
in the case of a.a.s. and finasteride etc, you're just protecting yourself from the transiently elevated levels of dihydrotestosterone. once you stop the a.a.s. , your dihydrotestosterone levels eventually return to where they would normally be and you dont need the extra protection.
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Mavafanculo
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cal_21 said:OMG YES!!!!
Great to hear again...fuck yessssssssssss lol
I shall hop upon the winstrol/moderate test cycle eventually!
This was causing me major worries...so much so i probably would've gone bald just from the stress LOL.
Thanks for clearing this up!!
I get K? lol
lol JK
Mavafanculo
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cal_21 said:OMG YES!!!!
Great to hear again...fuck yessssssssssss lol
I shall hop upon the winstrol/moderate test cycle eventually!
just keep i mind that finasteride isnt effective against Winstrol - stanozolol/trenbolone/proviron and other non-5-ar reduceable compounds. iow, they are already natively in a form able to attck the androgen receptors in the hair follicles if you're sensitive.
there's other stuff you can take to help tho - make a thread when ur ready
Mavafanculo
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thanks, I was only kidding about the K lolcal_21 said:Ok thanks for the heads up!
The Winstrol - stanozolol probably wouldn't be til my 3rd cycle (halfway done with #1)
So for say a Test 500/EQ400 cycle would finasteride be sufficient?
*transfers teh k!*
yup - should be enuf
lanky
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male pattern baldness is polygenetic,,can come from either and/or both.
other animals and primates experience balding as well when their androgen levels rise during "animal puberty" and adulthood...i think the stump tail macaque (some sort of monkey/primate) does go bald when androgens are prescent,,with the same hairline recession as humans,, during early pharma phase testing of finasteride/propecia and proscar these animals were used, i belive the dogs beagles were used to test the effects of these drugs on the prostate(along with the allmighty rats),,because this species of dogs is prone to BPH when they get older as well...what is interesting and not well understood is the speed of progression of MPB...i know some people who are almost completely bald by age 22,,,yet others that takes until they are in their 70's. everyone male or female will loose hair over their lifetime regardless of MPB due to normal aging.
i think the rate of androgen deactivation and clearance plays a huge role in the speed of progression of MPB. 3BHSD(hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) and 17BHSD plays the main role of the conversion of testosterone and DHT into androstenedione/diol and the 5alpha diols/dione;s,,,,,these diones and diols(metabolites)when congugated with glucoronidase are the main product that are cleared from our body via kidneys...if we can invent a product that will increase the rate of reduction of testosterone and dht to dione and diol metabolites and clearance of these metabilites qickly from the body before they convert back into test and dht (the reaction goes both ways with testosterone and androstenediol,,,body tries to keep and equilibrium)...also probably keeping your kidneys healthy by not developing diabetes or getting high blood pressure will help as well with clearance,,i am just babling on sorry......i still believe DHT is not our enemy though,,a potent androgen is in our body for a reason,,,millions of years of evolution cant be wrong,,although looking at me i am the missing link.
other animals and primates experience balding as well when their androgen levels rise during "animal puberty" and adulthood...i think the stump tail macaque (some sort of monkey/primate) does go bald when androgens are prescent,,with the same hairline recession as humans,, during early pharma phase testing of finasteride/propecia and proscar these animals were used, i belive the dogs beagles were used to test the effects of these drugs on the prostate(along with the allmighty rats),,because this species of dogs is prone to BPH when they get older as well...what is interesting and not well understood is the speed of progression of MPB...i know some people who are almost completely bald by age 22,,,yet others that takes until they are in their 70's. everyone male or female will loose hair over their lifetime regardless of MPB due to normal aging.
i think the rate of androgen deactivation and clearance plays a huge role in the speed of progression of MPB. 3BHSD(hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) and 17BHSD plays the main role of the conversion of testosterone and DHT into androstenedione/diol and the 5alpha diols/dione;s,,,,,these diones and diols(metabolites)when congugated with glucoronidase are the main product that are cleared from our body via kidneys...if we can invent a product that will increase the rate of reduction of testosterone and dht to dione and diol metabolites and clearance of these metabilites qickly from the body before they convert back into test and dht (the reaction goes both ways with testosterone and androstenediol,,,body tries to keep and equilibrium)...also probably keeping your kidneys healthy by not developing diabetes or getting high blood pressure will help as well with clearance,,i am just babling on sorry......i still believe DHT is not our enemy though,,a potent androgen is in our body for a reason,,,millions of years of evolution cant be wrong,,although looking at me i am the missing link.
trowsersnake98
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hey mava, can you shoot me a pm on what will help with the above mentioned compounds?Mavafanculo said:
getting ready to run dbawl, winnie, and tren and i dont wanna go bald.
i didnt lose a hair off my head from 50mg proviron ED and 400mg test. but my dad and his dad were bald. so im a little worried. i appreciate it.
needtogetaas
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yes bro.cal_21 said:
trowsersnake98
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good point, sorry cal.cal_21 said:So the rest of us will miss this valuable info?
maybe he can post it in this thread.
Mavafanculo
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trowsersnake98 said:
since you cant do anything about stopping the conversion to dihydrotestosterone, and since any strong androgen in whatever form can cause at least a shock fallout (telogen effluvium), in these cases you basically want to protect the hair follicle _similar_ to the way nolvadex protectes the estrogen receptors in breast tissue.
search on minoxidil (general), spironolactone, nizoral
cant vouch for any except minoxidil.
also b-5 reduces the amt of oil produced and less oil = less choking off of the follicle. seemed to work for me
Mavafanculo
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finasteride is to d.h.t. (sort of) as anti-aromatses(arimidexx etc) is to estrogen
spiro/nizoral/etc is to dht/androgens (sort of) as anti-estrogens(nolvaa etc) are to estrogen
spiro/nizoral/etc is to dht/androgens (sort of) as anti-estrogens(nolvaa etc) are to estrogen
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Oceano said:
b-5 serves me alot of purposes - helps prevent adrenal exhaustion from stress, improves memory, improves stamina etc etc in addition to the oil reduction utility for hairloss and acne prevention/mitigation.
So I take about 1.5 to 2 grams 2 to 4 times a day depending on "need" - if I forget or run out, I get extremely oily even under normal circumstances so I know it works for me.
but work up from maybe 250mg twice a day, because it also increases peristalsis and you'll shit your brains out at the hi dose until you build a tolerence lol
trowsersnake98
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ok, so since i still want the effects of DHT in the muscle and im not sensitive to proviron i should just use some minoxidil and B5 while on to be safe and ill be fine right?
Ive heard of alot of people taking liquid dutasteride and mixing it in with their bottle of minoxidil to make a topical DHT blocker. i doubt i need to go that far.
i can hunt down the directions if anybody wants it, let me know.
Ive heard of alot of people taking liquid dutasteride and mixing it in with their bottle of minoxidil to make a topical DHT blocker. i doubt i need to go that far.
i can hunt down the directions if anybody wants it, let me know.
Mavafanculo
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no one can tell you that until you try - sometimes guys do 5 cycles with no problem then get a shock fallout on # 6 - but the precautions will lessen the chances
trowsersnake98
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i see, thanks.SuperOne said:
MuscleHustle
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according to m hair stylyst hair loss is caused by the secreation of access dihydrotestosterone through the scalp it creates i microscopic film that suffocates the har causing it to fall out...she recomended a shampoo called nioxin said its the best as far as otc shampoos go
trowsersnake98
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yea my friends hair stylist said the same thing. he said he has a lot of clients who "use" and that nioxin works well.MuscleHustle said:
Mavafanculo
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nioxin is just a slightly better cleanser, but wont do much clinically
nizoral reduces inflamation scalp/bulb which has a clinical effect
no harm using both
nizoral reduces inflamation scalp/bulb which has a clinical effect
no harm using both
trowsersnake98
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what is the difference between those two and minoxidil?Mavafanculo said:
trowsersnake98
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im pretty sure it wont help with tren.Bazl said:
Mavafanculo
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bump for enacer
highspeed2112
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I've got more hair than Chewbaka...but so does my mom and moms dad
Mavafanculo
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Bazl said:
finasteride wont help with dbol as its not reduced by 5ar
check the posts above for what you can try to help
hmm...i dont put much stock in that. boldenone, from what i've read (of course Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is just 17 alpha-alkylated-boldenone) may not have much affinity for 5AR, but it is reduced by 5BR to what is effectively the 5B-analog of M1T, aka 17 alpha-alkylated-1-test aka 17 alpha-alkylated-dehydroboldenone, which is a potent androgen...but i dont have any research showing this...Mavafanculo said:
from my own experience, equipoise, at proper dosages, can ABSOLUTELY bring on hairloss in those prone to it. it has androgenic potential, albeit lower than test, but it's still there....and this may be a unique experience, but i've used both finasteride AND dutasteride (not together) on Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - cycles and STILL experienced itchiness, which for me means impending hairloss....and this may support the claim that EQ reduces via 5BR.
5AR inhibitors work well with test, methyltest, hydroxytest, methyl-hydroxytest, clostebol (although it's hardly needed), 4-ad, methoxytest, basically all the hormone products with test as a base, or that convert to test. virtually EVERYTHING else will not be affected...and this gybes with my experience, too, and what i've read on the boards.
i personally avoid 5AR inhibitors - i dont dig the sides - dihydrotestosterone is really good for certain things, a functioning dick being one of the big ones. also, the central nervous system stimulation and energy seem to derive from DHT too...not to mention strength. you dont hear about that in clinical trials so much because they use regular dudes who dont weight train.
REALLY good steroids for those prone to MPB:
superdrol (simply amazing mass and strength gains, with no androgenic sides)
Turanabol (super low androgenicity)
epistane (look it up if you havent heard of it)
methyl-stenbolone (like methyl-Primobolan - methenolone - ...called "Mass tabs", and it's legal)
weird that 3 of these are currently legal...i've used all the illegal injectables before (and still do of course), but i find these to be the mildest androgenically and not require any 5ARIs
for the record, i noticed my MPB in 2004, prior to juicing, and through countless cycles since then, i havent lost any ground, visibly or by comparing pictures....my regimen has varied over the years but includes almost exclusively topical, not systemic, drugs.
Mavafanculo
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thebrakes - yes finasteride can help a little with Equipoise , but according to every writeup I've seen not with D-ball. alittle modification in a molecule changes everything.
Mavafanculo
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thebrakes said:
"While Dianabol does convert to a more potent steroid via interaction with the 5-alpha reductase anzyme (the same enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone), it has extremely little affinity to do so in the human body's. The androgenic metabolite 5alpha dihydromethandrostenolone is therefore produced only in trace amounts at best. The benefit received from Proscar®/Propecia® would therefore be insignificant, the drug serving no real purpose."
from Llewellyn, William, Anabolics 2004, 2003-4, Molecular Nutrition, pp. 93-6
Methandrostenolone has an added cis-1 to cis-2 double bond that reduces both estrogenic and androgenic properties. However, it does undergo aromatization to the rather potent estrogen 17-alpha methyl estradiol, but curiously does not show the in vivo propensity for reduction by 5AR to alpha dihydromethandrostenolone to any large degree.
from Steele RE, Didato F, Steinetz BG. Relative importance of 5alpha reduction for the androgenic and lh - leutenizing hormone - -inhibiting activities of delta-4-3-ketosteroids. Steroids. Mar 1977;29(3):331-48. [Medline].
I know Bill Roberts is also of the same opinion, but cant dig up the link
hairlossdude
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me to dude. i'm prone to it. i might just have to give up juicing. do you need a rx for finasteride?
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