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Manny,
Like most things in life the "right" handgun is highly individualistic. As I've stated before, the only way to determine what works is going to a shop with a range and firing (rentals) everything you can get your hands on or may be interested in. You can't buy a model that works for you based on recomendations, marketing, etc.
No offense but you sound like a newbie. If so, take my advice above. Shoot various Mfgrs., models, calibers etc and the bottom-line is: "You ONLY buy/own what you can shoot, specifically if it is for self-defense."
As for caliber, that argument (opinions) will never end (stopping power, cost of ownership, mag capacity, etc.). I'm partial to .45's (1911 heh heh) and stay loaded-up with CorBon .45ACP+P 165gr hollow-points. Consider/shoot various .45, 10mm, .357sig, .40 and 357mags. 9mm are more cost effective but I wouldn't recomend for defense.
Later,
Like most things in life the "right" handgun is highly individualistic. As I've stated before, the only way to determine what works is going to a shop with a range and firing (rentals) everything you can get your hands on or may be interested in. You can't buy a model that works for you based on recomendations, marketing, etc.
No offense but you sound like a newbie. If so, take my advice above. Shoot various Mfgrs., models, calibers etc and the bottom-line is: "You ONLY buy/own what you can shoot, specifically if it is for self-defense."
As for caliber, that argument (opinions) will never end (stopping power, cost of ownership, mag capacity, etc.). I'm partial to .45's (1911 heh heh) and stay loaded-up with CorBon .45ACP+P 165gr hollow-points. Consider/shoot various .45, 10mm, .357sig, .40 and 357mags. 9mm are more cost effective but I wouldn't recomend for defense.
Later,
1911 said:
Newbie hummmmmm I've been in the army/recon long time ago and now I'm doing something ......well anyway some people on this board know exactly what. The reason why I'm asking this is cause there's like one or two gun shops in Montreal and they dont have a full variety of guns. SO I'll pobably have to order one or go in Burlington.
I've tried 9 mm, 45 ACP and S&W .38 special and honestly only the .45 sounded interesting. For some specific reasons, I need something with stopping power. Something that can go through a level II body armor. 9 mm is weak. My dad has one Browning HP 9 mm. Good handling. but still 9 mm.......
I was asking about Glock cause I've heard good things about. SOunds cheaper than Magnum Desert Eagle.
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manny78 said:
You may find this site/reference helpful:
http://www.nlectc.org/txtfiles/BodyArmorStd/NIJSTD010103.html
2.3 Type II (Higher Velocity 357 Magnum; 9 mm)
This armor protects against 357 Magnum jacketed soft point bullets, with nominal masses of 10.2 g (158 gr) impacting at a velocity of 425 m (1395 ft) per second or less, and 9 mm full jacketed bullets, with nominal masses of 8.0 g (124 gr) impacting at a velocity of 358 m (1175 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against most other factory loads in caliber 357 Magnum and 9 mm, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 and 2.2.
Later,
Does this include teflon ammo?
Sorry if I seem to be talking out my ass I'm just not a big believer in big bore ammo in domestic situations. IMO all calibers will get the job done in the right hands. From .22 to 50mag.
http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/2ndamend/ammo.txt
Sorry if I seem to be talking out my ass I'm just not a big believer in big bore ammo in domestic situations. IMO all calibers will get the job done in the right hands. From .22 to 50mag.
http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/2ndamend/ammo.txt
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BTW Manny have you ever fired a Desert Eagle .357 don't knock 'em til you tried'em. I've fired a few rounds with a Desert Eagle .357 and it had alot less kick than a Glock 17. (9mm).
I was at the range where this guy had equipped a laser to his Glock 17 even with all the adjustments made it was a worthless addition. That little dot was all over the place, especially during rapid fire.
You may want to check into HK Heckler and Koch makes the smoothest fire arms I've ever fired. But no .357 though. however a .45 is maybe better.
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/
I was at the range where this guy had equipped a laser to his Glock 17 even with all the adjustments made it was a worthless addition. That little dot was all over the place, especially during rapid fire.
You may want to check into HK Heckler and Koch makes the smoothest fire arms I've ever fired. But no .357 though. however a .45 is maybe better.
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/
I own 40 guns, not a fan of glock.....
I tell everyone what 1911 said and have posted that at least a dozen times.
I have three guns that I bought cheap because people bought them and didn't like them after they shot them.....all handguns. Never gotten a rifle that way.
It really is a feel thing. I have had cops tell me they like glocks because of the squared top.....they use it for aim....kind of frame the block on the target thing I guess.
The right gun for you is the one that feels the best and is priced in a value to cost ratio which you don't mind. Guns are a true luxury item....you really never use them and the cost can be very high. Of course you know from your army days when you needed it you want the best.
AN eagle might be nice for punching bowling pins but I wouldn't want to have to carry that thing.....the weight, the size....etc. I would be much happier with a S&W686 7 shot....might be cheaper also.
I tell everyone what 1911 said and have posted that at least a dozen times.
I have three guns that I bought cheap because people bought them and didn't like them after they shot them.....all handguns. Never gotten a rifle that way.
It really is a feel thing. I have had cops tell me they like glocks because of the squared top.....they use it for aim....kind of frame the block on the target thing I guess.
The right gun for you is the one that feels the best and is priced in a value to cost ratio which you don't mind. Guns are a true luxury item....you really never use them and the cost can be very high. Of course you know from your army days when you needed it you want the best.
AN eagle might be nice for punching bowling pins but I wouldn't want to have to carry that thing.....the weight, the size....etc. I would be much happier with a S&W686 7 shot....might be cheaper also.
Thaibox
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I have a Glock 17 and 22 (9mm and .40cal). I bought both for a little under $500 new. And, both have most all the aftermarket goodies that make them pretty sick. The 17 has a 20lb wolf spring, tungsten guide rod, 3.5lb trigger, extensions, hogue grip, pre-ban mags, trijicon sights. After a total of about $800, I can make groups just as good as the dudes with expensive target pistols and lasers.
A couple of the bros said to shoot several guns and see what you like. They're absolutely right. I've shot Sigs, HKs, etc, and the G17 and G22 are my favorite for me personally.
I also have an HK USP .45cal. Excellent weapon, but it was kinda expensive.
A couple of the bros said to shoot several guns and see what you like. They're absolutely right. I've shot Sigs, HKs, etc, and the G17 and G22 are my favorite for me personally.
I also have an HK USP .45cal. Excellent weapon, but it was kinda expensive.
fiatconspiracy
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best gun, revolver in .357, 5 shot..... but as they say, 'it is better to hit someone with a .22 than to miss with a .45"
most gun fights are over in 3 shots.....
most gun fights are over in 3 shots.....
MasterMind
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Glock hands down....shoots underwater and in sand so you can blow some one's knees off and not a soul can hear it 
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But seriously if you are looking for a self defense gun the glock is the way to go......its light and doesn't kick much....a magnum will kick so hard yo mamma will feel it.....plus glocks are cheaper
...But seriously if you are looking for a self defense gun the glock is the way to go......its light and doesn't kick much....a magnum will kick so hard yo mamma will feel it.....plus glocks are cheaper
Thanks guys. I'll manage to try 3-4 guns soon. I checked today and there's a store here with Glocks, HK, Beretta, S&W and Colt. If there's really a big difference between the HK and the rest I'll go for it no matter how expensive it is. Unfortunately they dont Desert Eagle only S&W Magnum revolver and I dont like revolvers at all.
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manny78 said:
Manny - just a reminder, not just different Mfgrs. but plan to shoot various calibers. HK's are excellent weapons, if possible try some Kimber's, SIGs, and Wilson Combat products as well. When you find something you feel comfortable with and shoot well, walk away. Go back a few days later and try the top 2 or 3 choices again before you decide/purchase.
Later,
3Vandoo
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manny78 said:Hi people I was wondering if any of you own a Glock. Cause I'm considering a Glock 32 .357, which seems to have the same stopping power as a Magnum but less expensive. And also would like to know how much did you pay for your Glock. Thanks
We tested some of them and we took the Sig .357, better quality.
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We have a Glock 19 (9mm).. It was very slightly used, and cost $325.00 at a
gun shop!
It is a very durable, fun to shoot and very easy to disassemble and clean.
I like it cause it's very light to carry..
gun shop!
It is a very durable, fun to shoot and very easy to disassemble and clean.
I like it cause it's very light to carry..
freshr1 said:
Yes, most do. There are roughly 270 million people in the US, with around 350 million guns. As for the continued debate going on here about Glocks, etc. I'll tell you this. Glocks are not cheap. They are good looking, solid, etc., but they are not cheap unless they are stolen, a crime weapon, or the owner is desperate. You are looking at $500-700 with the average Glock. However, they are good guns, but that doesnt necessarily warrant spending an extra $200 just cuz its a Glock. If you're looking for a big pistol, the Desert Eagle is huge (like 4-5 lbs empty) and .44 revolvers (like dirty harry's) are big. However, DE's are expensive, and I'm not a big revolver fan. Thompson makes one of their models (i dont remember which one) in about every caliber from .22 to .50 caliber. Its not that expensive. .50 cal is a HUGE round w/lots of stopping power. However, I'm not sure, but that model may be single shot. I think it'd be best for you to get a .45 1911. They are typically cheap ($150-350) and look good. Unless you're a cop/law enf. I'm kinda wonderin why you need this...but to each his own. Hope his helps...karma? lol
It is estimated that 80 million Americans own firearms. Think about that for a second---that is a huge voting bloc that would positively control any election.
Glocks are fine handguns, but require a little training and a lot of practice. Because of the polymer frame, you need to always keep a frim grip and lock your wrist. Otherwise, when the frame flexes during recoil, energy is lost from the rearward movement of the slide and you can have cycling problems.
In my experience, the 27 is one of the best handguns for concealed carry. The recoil from the .40 round is not much sharper than the 9mm, and it is very accurate. Especially with the Glock, keep your finger OFF the trigger unless you REALLY intend to fire. The so-called trigger safety is nothing of the sort and there are no other external safety devices.
IMO .357 SIG is still a novelty round. The ballistics work, but it is not widely used. For the sake of convenience, expense, and reliability, you won't give up very much with a .40 S&W or a .45 ACP. If stopping power is on your mind, consider that most people, myself included, wouldn't want to stand in front of a .22!
Glocks are fine handguns, but require a little training and a lot of practice. Because of the polymer frame, you need to always keep a frim grip and lock your wrist. Otherwise, when the frame flexes during recoil, energy is lost from the rearward movement of the slide and you can have cycling problems.
In my experience, the 27 is one of the best handguns for concealed carry. The recoil from the .40 round is not much sharper than the 9mm, and it is very accurate. Especially with the Glock, keep your finger OFF the trigger unless you REALLY intend to fire. The so-called trigger safety is nothing of the sort and there are no other external safety devices.
IMO .357 SIG is still a novelty round. The ballistics work, but it is not widely used. For the sake of convenience, expense, and reliability, you won't give up very much with a .40 S&W or a .45 ACP. If stopping power is on your mind, consider that most people, myself included, wouldn't want to stand in front of a .22!
BeefyBull said:
- Me too I'm not a big fan of revolvers. So lets forget about this.
- Colt 1911 ? sounds good. They told me on the phone they has the Colt 1911A1 and it seems to be cheap. I was told this gun was pretty reliable.
- As for why I need this ? you kindda answered the question....
Anyway I'll try some at the shooting maybe next week, and tel you about the results.
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