Push Ups/Dips VS Bench Press

[bluejay]

Hello everyone...

I have had some nagging shoulder issues that I feel LIKE MAD when I incline or flat bench. (both barbell AND dumbbell) So for now I have decided to discard the movement...

I have been using weighted push ups + dips instead as these movements DO NOT irritate my shoulder for whatever reason.

Questions are:

1)Do you know of anyone who has built or maintained a quality chest with push ups & dips being the primary movements?

2)Can I get enough of a stretch with a full push up movement? (I seem to feel that stretch more with dumbbell presses)

Thanks...

 

[GUARDIAN]

i switched to hammer flat bench and dumbells and it really helped. i know u cant do the db's but how do the hammers feel?

dips and pushups used to kill my shoulder. the only way i could do them ended up changing the concentration more on triceps than on chest.

my shoulder is fine now but i still stay away from barbells for the most part.

u should pm lattimer. he has got some great insight on this.

 

[OMEGA]

Chest the MOST incorrectly trained muscle group next to back

 

[bluejay]

i switched to hammer flat bench and dumbells and it really helped. i know u cant do the db's but how do the hammers feel?

dips and pushups used to kill my shoulder. the only way i could do them ended up changing the concentration more on triceps than on chest.

my shoulder is fine now but i still stay away from barbells for the most part.

u should pm lattimer. he has got some great insight on this.

Man I feel like a knob!! Never even thought about the Hammerstrength. (If that is what you meant when you said "hammers") I guess I need to ditch my free-weight snobbery for once.

....If you were referring to wrist positioning then I haven't tried that out much either and will do so!!

 

[GUARDIAN]

Man I feel like a knob!! Never even thought about the Hammerstrength. (If that is what you meant when you said "hammers") I guess I need to ditch my free-weight snobbery for once.

....If you were referring to wrist positioning then I haven't tried that out much either and will do so!!

hammer strength it is. it feels more like a natural range of motion.

i was more referring to how far over i leaned my body or hand placement, not so much wrist.

 

[rfowler]

Chest the MOST incorrectly trained muscle group next to back

explain more Omega im interested....

 

[hurricane]

Chest the MOST incorrectly trained muscle group next to back

lol agreed on back ... i hate back training .. a pain in my azz

 

[JoeDiNero]

yes please elaborate

 

[Daran]

yes please elaborate

This.
I would like to hear more, please.

 

[Zuperman]

never laid on a bench,

 

[Zuperman]

this is all I do,

Breakfast:
Dozen eggs, ground beef,

Lunch: Half chicken, beans,

Protein shake

Dinner: steak, beef, tuna, fish, Vegetables.

Protein shake

No carbs (bread, rice) at all, during the day…….just a potato before working out helps with energy levels.

Meals were often swapped, but never eat before sleep.

BCAA’s , coffee, (Egyptian/Turkish)
BCAA’s before and after workout, and at early morning wake up! Daily
Pulls up, chin ups, Push ups DAILY. One day regular ,one day do their negatives.

Always sip on protein drink From the time you feel the pump coming to the end of workout.
Exercises: Done with lightweight, where you can get 10-14 reps, light weight. 6-8 sets.
This was done Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
Its take 48 hrs for your muscles to heal, so why give them a week between workouts?

Shoulders:
7-8 sets side laterals reps 10-12
7-8 sets front laterals reps 10-12
7-8 miliatary press reps 8-10

Deadlifts

Barbell curl
21’s
Hammer curls
Dumbbell curls

 

[funkyfresh]

Give the hammer-strength machines a try...some of them a very good. In fact, a lot of bodybuilders swear by some of their machines.

I prefer a combination of db's and hammer-machines for chest. I like them much better than the barbell.
Dips are awesome (my favourite chest exercise in fact), but my gym doesn't have angled dipping bars so I tend to include dips as a tricep exercise now.
I find the straight dipping bars as oppossed to the angled bars are much harder for me to hit my chest with for some reason and also a little harder on the shoulders. My old gym used to have angled dipping bars which allowed me to adjust my arm spacing/body positioning much better.

As far as hammer-strength machines go....the horizontal flat bench press and seated wide grip bench press are both excellent machines if you have access to them

 

[jochensa]

being that everyone is different you kind of have to see what works for you. see what machines may cause "you" some injury. for me that is the hammer series. the fact that hammers put stress on only one angle of the joint makes me get pulls no matter what. dips tweak my shoulder so. which sets me back a few weeks. so i go with flat or incline free (switch from week to week) then cables and finish with pull overs or unilateral incline db. you will notice tho the big boys do free exercises ie cutler. but work around your injury, what works for you and switch it up from time to time. maybe try a pre exhaust workout as well....core lifts at the end is what that means to me btw.